Offset Tailstock Pressure

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Wondering about the pressure to a pin in a butt when you offset the tailstock to cut the taper. Do you think its negligable? I was thinking about dedicating a chuck that would allow the maintenance pin a few degrees of travel to not stress the area. Not sure if I am overthinking this or not so please give your opinion. BTW I don't have taper bars yet (on my list)

As always thanks for your time!
Steve
 
Pin is already installed before the butt is tapered?
Imho, offset tailstock or boring head are just good enough to make rough blanks/cones, handle and shaft cones.
 
Are you putting the joint screw IN the chuck or do you have a 60 degree hole in the end of the screw that you are using with a live center?...JER
 
I would suggest that almost any time I am tapering a butt the joint pin probably would not be installed yet, and you should be working between centers... a spur driver in the headstock and a 60 degree live center in the tail stock. JMHO.
 
It won't cause any problems if tapering under normal means. Which means there is no joint pin installed. Just center holes in each end of the cue and driven between two centers. The offset will need to be a few thousands more than your calculations say it should be, but that is easy to do with a couple of trial passes.
 
I am chucking on the end of a maintenance arbor over the pin toward the end. I am working on a cue for a friend that already has the pin installed. I have not taken a pass yet, because it does'nt feel right. Yes the pin has a ctr hole. I could turn it around and use a live ctr on the pin. Is that what you are suggesting?
 
I am chucking on the end of a maintenance arbor over the pin toward the end. I am working on a cue for a friend that already has the pin installed. I have not taken a pass yet, because it does'nt feel right. Yes the pin has a ctr hole. I could turn it around and use a live ctr on the pin. Is that what you are suggesting?

Be sure to check if there is runout in the pin and it is centered properly.
 
I would advise against trying this method again. Wait and put the pin in last.
But to get you out of this jam, take a piece of shaft wood and tap it to the joint size. Screw that onto the joint and run the butt through your headstock. Center drill the end of it and use that as your turning center. Drive it between two centers.
 
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Drive it between two centers

Diito..ditto ...ditto......

Been using a dead center in the headstock and live center in the tail. You may be surprised how little pressure is needed to drive the piece between them.
 
With an offset tailstock, you have to work between centers not with a part in a chuck. Take the driver out of the chuck and use a dead center in the headstock or in the chuck. Otherwise, you are bending the cue/pin, etc to get it to work on the offset tailstock.
Remember, when working with an offset tailstock, taper is figured on between centers distance, not the work piece.
Butt cap end size minus joint size divided by total length of cue will give taper per inch. Multiply taper/inch by total length between centers, take half and move you tailstock that much from centerline. This will put you within a few .005" of your final taper. A couple of thin cuts on each end will let you know if you are on proper taper. If not, take half the difference and move the tailstock that much and recut. If the butt is already tapered, you can sweep the butt and make sure that the dial indicator reads the same the length of the cue.
In machine shops, taper bars were a high priced item that was not normally used. The lathe manufactuerers rarely made one that would produce a taper longer than 12". Offsetting the tail stock was normally used and a competent machinest can set up a taper, cut it and return to centerline very quickly. The greater the degree of taper, the more pressure is put on one side of the dead center driving the part. The center is usually recut to 60 deg after each part to maintain alignment.
Kenny Murrell
 
What he said

I would advise against trying this method again. Wait and put the pin in last.
But to get you out of this jam, take a piece of shaft wood and tap it to the joint size. Axrew that onto the joint and run the butt through your headstock. Center drill the end of it and use that as your turning center. Drive it between two centers.

Good advice!
 
Update

I ended up using the pin center, and a 60 deg live ctr.....It worked perfectly. Thanks to all replies, and pm's. I was thrown for a loop with the pin already installed, and tried to overthink the solution. My engineering mind engaged before my common sence. I'm sure it was humorous to all you veterans. I am learning everytime I turn the shop lights on.
 
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