Ok did I right to get pissed/

scsuxci said:
There's no money worth your sanity.If he bugs you that much don't play him.

If you ask him not to do certain things and still proceeds to do the same things,
then he's not just disrespecting you as a player but as a person as well.
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I always considered it disrespect if a player didn't pay off his losses, and that kind of respect was counted after leaving the pool table. Respect has nothing to do with taking someone's money on a pool table, how ever much you have to put up with to get it....that's the game of playing for money;)
 
What we have here.......is a failure to communicate....

If you're gambling because you need the money to pay the rent, then be ready to put up with a lot more than just sharking.

If you're gambling because it makes the game more interesting -- but your opponent's antics make it less interesting -- then find other opponents.

There's no one, right answer. Only the right one for you.
 
You can take this with a grain of salt, as I don't gamble much.
But my impression is, the main goal of gambling for most players isn't really money.
It's entertainment. Sometimes it just happens to be entertainment that doesn't cost anything.

If it isn't fun, why bother? Is it worth it to give up the primary goal, for a secondary goal?
Unless the money is truly a lifechanging amount and the cash IS the primary goal.
 
CreeDo said:
You can take this with a grain of salt, as I don't gamble much.
But my impression is, the main goal of gambling for most players isn't really money.
It's entertainment. Sometimes it just happens to be entertainment that doesn't cost anything.

If it isn't fun, why bother? Is it worth it to give up the primary goal, for a secondary goal?
Unless the money is truly a lifechanging amount and the cash IS the primary goal.
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When ever I played for money, and it was most of the time I played, the money was alwys the goal...which is why I never played my friends...unless it was for fun....as in no money involved.
No one who makes a living playing pool....plays for free....there has to be something bet, or it's just not worth while;)
 
TheNewSharkster said:
No, he is complaining because some guy was being a douche bag
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No, I think the OP should play the guy even up as in no spot, for the same amout of money and see if he feels the same way...after he loses his own money back to the same guy he won it from:eek:...I wonder if he'd come on AZ and then tell everyone how he lost his money...and how HE acted afterwards:eek:
 
pdcue said:
Well speedo, since you are obviously waaaay to noble to play for money,
allow me to add what I should have included in my first post.

To wit:
"the advice is equally valid for tournament or league competition".

Dale
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at no time did I say I wouldn't play for money....just won't play someone as annoying as the the OP described!! As I stated, I'd rather lose to someone I can tolerate than win from someone I absolutely can't stand.

...and RKC - I agree with you, I would never make it if my sole income came from playing pool. Not only do I not like to play some folks (even if I can win), but there are some that I do win from, feel bad, and end up buying them drinks, food, and paying for their time (essentially gaining nothing on my part).
 
realkingcobra said:
No, I think the OP should play the guy even up as in no spot, for the same amout of money and see if he feels the same way...after he loses his own money back to the same guy he won it from:eek:...I wonder if he'd come on AZ and then tell everyone how he lost his money...and how HE acted afterwards:eek:
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I don't think I understand your point. Do you mean that if you are getting a bad spot and losing that its ok to be disrespectful to your opponent?
 
I played for money when I was poor. Only way I could afford a nice pair of shoes and decent set of clothes. If I would have done any sharking like m79a's opponent all I would have been able to eat would be cream style corn and mashed potatoes.
 
agreed

trustyrusty said:
I don't care how much money an idiot I can't stand playing with is willing to lose. Not worth it at all to me. The guy you are playing would drive me nuts, and I woulda handed his money back the first time I played him, and wished him luck in his future playing. If he has that much of a lack of respect for me and the game we are playing; I don't want his money. I'd rather lose to someone I like and respect, than win from someone I cannot tolerate. :sorry:
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Good post here. I was thinking may be I am the only one who likes to play the game when it's played with respect and a little bit of fun (doesn't matter if I am playing 1000 a set or 10 a set). No one has to be a jerk about it.
I don't play pool to "earn" money, I like action but there have been times where I have declined "easy money' just cuz i didn't want to "put up" with the crap that my opponent might come up with during the match.

But unfortunately there are a lot of players that will do anything to win money from you and that just sucks. All you can do is learn to avoid those "distractions" and keep your cool.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
I don't think I understand your point. Do you mean that if you are getting a bad spot and losing that its ok to be disrespectful to your opponent?
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The opponet was the one giving the spot, and losing, The OP was the one getting the spot, winning, and complaining. All I'm saying, is that when money is involved, it changes the game rules, and if playing for money is the point, and the point is to WIN money, then you shut up and stay focused on making that money. If you can't handle playing for money, then DON"T play for it. I NEVER considered playing for money as having fun playing pool, it was an income to me...and I treated it as such. Harry Plattis is the HARDEST person I've ever played with whom I had to fadr the BS from, we ALL DID THAT PLAYED HARRY....and that goes all the way from sharking like talking when I was shooting, to walking around in my line of sight as I was shooting to....I'll pay you later....and waiting to get paid. The point is, if you gamble to make money, get the money and shut the hell up, stop being a cry baby about the person you beat out of the money...and how HE acted while losing. You put up with what ever you have to to get as much as you can from your opponent....and count it later. Then, you come back and see if you can get some more, and you KEEP doing that until the oil rig drys up, THEN...you move on to the next oil rig.

Glen
 
prad said:
Good post here. I was thinking may be I am the only one who likes to play the game when it's played with respect and a little bit of fun (doesn't matter if I am playing 1000 a set or 10 a set). No one has to be a jerk about it.
I don't play pool to "earn" money, I like action but there have been times where I have declined "easy money' just cuz i didn't want to "put up" with the crap that my opponent might come up with during the match.

But unfortunately there are a lot of players that will do anything to win money from you and that just sucks. All you can do is learn to avoid those "distractions" and keep your cool.
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One thing that is really clear to me, is that all the posters that talk about "respect" just having "fun" and "rules"....you'd never be able to feed yourselves or pay any bills from playing pool for a living....that's for damn sure;) The single most important part of playing for money, and I'm not talking about playing for fun here, I'm talking about gambling...is that you can not have a HEART when playing because it'll cause you to lose in the long run....and go hungry!;)
 
realkingcobra said:
The single most important part of playing for money, and I'm not talking about playing for fun here, I'm talking about gambling...is that you can not have a HEART when playing because it'll cause you to lose in the long run....and go hungry!;)
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I think that is VERY true, but not 100% true. It depends upon who you are playing and what you consider the "long run". Are you talking the "long run" as in with this same opponent or the "long run" for gambling as a whole with "any" opponent?

The reason I ask is because it reminded me of the FIRST time I EVER felt any compassion for beating someone for a LOT of cash. We are talking hundreds and even thousands of dollars in a setting. This was a lot of money back in the late 60s and early 70s.

I was 15 and 16 years old and playing a guy who was in a wheelchair. It DIDN'T matter that he was one of the best pool players and GAMBLERS in the area. I FOCUSED on the fact that he was in the wheelchair and I later felt a bit sorry for taking his money and I didn't play him for a while.

THEN, I kept noticing that if I DIDN'T beat him out of it, that he would SOMEHOW LATER lose the same cash and MAYBE MORE to the other people around. It DIDN'T matter WHO took it...the OUTCOME was the SAME at the END of the day. HE was BROKE and SOMEBODY had his money.

From that point forward, I was at the pool hall at 7 A.M. EVERY 1st of the month when he got his paycheck. He LOVED to gamble and I LOVED taking his money. On some pay days I would win hundreds until he quit or sometimes a couple thousand. When he wasn't playing me, he would have me drive him around throughout the town and other towns and he would back me against people.

The thing that I HATED about doing THAT was you had to keep an eye on him. You could be winning money hand-over-fist on the pool table and THINK you were AHEAD. He would be losing THAT money and EVEN more playing cards or something while you were concentrating on your pool game. You had to make sure YOU held on to the pool playing "stash" so he didn't lose it.

I NEVER felt the same compassion for anybody else I ever beat out of their money. It wasn't because I beat him and he was a good pool player...I let the IDEA that he was somehow "crippled" and a "lesser opponent" and I took advantage of him enter my brain. When I started wising up, I realized I NEVER took advantage of him...I JUST BEAT HIM...the wheelchair became irrelevant to me after a while.

If anybody knows J.D.or "Little One" from Kennett, MO., you will know who I am talking about. He is not with us anymore, but when it came to GAMBLING he would bet on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING until he either WON all YOUR money or HE LOST all HIS. He WASN'T happy EITHER way. The ONLY time he was HAPPY was when the money was changing hands back and forth all the time. He was a STONE COLD gambler.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I think that is VERY true, but not 100% true. It depends upon who you are playing and what you consider the "long run". Are you talking the "long run" as in with this same opponent or the "long run" for gambling as a whole with "any" opponent?

The reason I ask is because it reminded me of the FIRST time I EVER felt any compassion for beating someone for a LOT of cash. We are talking hundreds and even thousands of dollars in a setting. This was a lot of money back in the late 60s and early 70s.

I was 15 and 16 years old and playing a guy who was in a wheelchair. It DIDN'T matter that he was one of the best pool players and GAMBLERS in the area. I FOCUSED on the fact that he was in the wheelchair and I later felt a bit sorry for taking his money and I didn't play him for a while.

THEN, I kept noticing that if I DIDN'T beat him out of it, that he would SOMEHOW LATER lose the same cash and MAYBE MORE to the other people around. It DIDN'T matter WHO took it...the OUTCOME was the SAME at the END of the day. HE was BROKE and SOMEBODY had his money.

From that point forward, I was at the pool hall at 7 A.M. EVERY 1st of the month when he got his paycheck. He LOVED to gamble and I LOVED taking his money. On some pay days I would win hundreds until he quit or sometimes a couple thousand. When he wasn't playing me, he would have me drive him around throughout the town and other towns and he would back me against people.

The thing that I HATED about doing THAT was you had to keep an eye on him. You could be winning money hand-over-fist on the pool table and THINK you were AHEAD. He would be losing THAT money and EVEN more playing cards or something while you were concentrating on your pool game. You had to make sure YOU held on to the pool playing "stash" so he didn't lose it.

I NEVER felt the same compassion for anybody else I ever beat out of their money. It wasn't because I beat him and he was a good pool player...I let the IDEA that he was somehow "crippled" and a "lesser opponent" and I took advantage of him enter my brain. When I started wising up, I realized I NEVER took advantage of him...I JUST BEAT HIM...the wheelchair became irrelevant to me after a while.

If anybody knows J.D.or "Little One" from Kennett, MO., you will know who I am talking about. He is not with us anymore, but when it came to GAMBLING he would bet on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING until he either WON all YOUR money or HE LOST all HIS. He WASN'T happy EITHER way. The ONLY time he was HAPPY was when the money was changing hands back and forth all the time. He was a STONE COLD gambler.
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I'm talking about in the long run overall. When playing for money....and I don't mean fun money, you're either playing to win....or playing to lose....you decide;)
 
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