OKay - This referee thing has gone too far!
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Hey, Joey, look it up. The rule was made just for you because we know how you like to get into "earnest discussions." It's called the JoeyA Rule in the referees' lounge.JoeyA said:
(Which isn't so far from the truth. Rules have been made in the past for specific people.)
vagabond said:Hi,
I am very strict with laws.I obey the laws whether they were right or wrong .I strongly believe that there should NOT be any room for wiggling.Once we allow that wiggling it becomes a slippery slope.
I pick the cue ball only when it comes to a dead stop even if it is one foot away from the pocket.
The topic of rules interests me beyond pool. I believe that making a rule clear is more important than the rule itself. I'm not saying there aren't bad rules, because there are. But they can be corrected. I favor strong intelligent rules. That way we won't need the law to enforce them. I don't like the law.
Tommy Joe (Pro Rule - Anti Law)
Schmohawk said:
I wasn't sure if they were surgical gloves or not, but it was fun thinking they might be. Now you've gone and ruined it for me!
But seriously, I am a firm believer that television is a powerful tool. It greatly influences trends. I believe trends influence tv, but tv also influences trends. Even if the gloves are not surgical, they still make the ref look like he's in the boxing ring. That's the feeling I get. I think it's funny. I haven't given it much thought (maybe I should), but it seems the gloves are more a fashion statement than a useful tool. If the gloves exist mainly for cleaning the balls, then the refs should be wearing only one glove, so they can pick the ball up with their hand instead of a bulky glove. But two gloves looks cooler, just like they have the players come out to that stupid Michael Buffer "Let's Get Ready to Rumble" cloud of smoke routine. I don't know for sure, but it looks like cheap theatrics to me. Of course most things look that way to me, so I am prepared to admit in this case that I could be wrong. Thanks for your post.
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joe said:
Earl Strickland only wears one glove and he still looks like he should be in the boxing ring. The outer glove he wears, btw, says Everlast.
rackmsuckr said:Earl Strickland only wears one glove and he still looks like he should be in the boxing ring. The outer glove he wears, btw, says Everlast.
In my 59 years on planet earth I have never punched another human in the face (although I've slapped a few) - but back in my early 20s I did go occasionally to the local YMCA to pound the heavy bag. I was in really bad physical condition brought on by nightly drinking bouts and a horrible chain-smoking habit that began when I was 11.
I was not Mr. Athlete, especially when it came to anything aerobic. But I had a pair of everlast gloves designed for use on the heavy bag. I was not a fighter, never trained for anything in my life, but I loved the way those gloves felt as I tore into the heavy bag with thudding left hooks and sharp right crosses. Oh I'd get tired after half a minute, but it was comforted to know I could take a breather without the bag attacking me. It's easy to whip a bag, which is why I was whipping it.
But what I remember most is the gloves, the way they fit tight and light over the fist, the way they felt - but mostly the sound they made when they hit the bag. A pleasant sound actually. Nothing like the disgusting thud of an actual punch. Very therapeutic. There should be a heavy bag hanging on every corner in every city in America.
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joe said:
Maybe he feels he needs to wear it in case he wants to punch someone during his match!
rackmsuckr said:Maybe he feels he needs to wear it in case he wants to punch someone during his match!
Now once again we're back to the glove conversation, which is where this has taken us naturally, so I see nothing wrong with that. I don't even play anymore, still I'm genuinely curious if the glove as worn by top players really means anything to any of them or if they are worning strictly for endorsement purposes.
I see it this way: If a top player can wear a glove without it impeding his ability, as long as it doesn't have a detrimental effect on his game, I see nothing wrong with that. But suppose a person is wearing a glove only for promotional reasons and the person doesn't think the glove impedes his ability - but it does to an imperceptable degree. Could that happen?
The first time I saw someone wearing a glove I laughed, as is my custom with seeing many things for the first time, and sometimes it doesn't stop there. hah hah hah hah hah ..... But after thinking about (another habit of mine), I began to see that maybe it could have positives. I raised this point in another thread and got no response, so I'm raising it again: Could the relative thickness of the glove lend stability to the shaft in the hands of a player with thin fingers? And why stop with the glove? What about lasik surgery for the eyes? Wearing ear-muffs to drown out noise while down on a shot. Having your legs medically shortened if you're too tall for the table. Having your bridge hand surgically constructed to fit your favorite shaft, yet pliable enough to unroll into an open-handed bridge if necessary.
The game is definitely becoming more and more competitive. I would not be surprised to see some of these things happen, even people paying to have their bodies surgically crippled so they can enter special handicapped tournaments. And what about sex operations for men who want to play the women's tour? Yes, too many questions all at once, I will admit. Perhaps they would be better taken one at a time (or not at all). I still think the refs with gloves is a funny sight, even if they serve some logical purpose. Thank you.
Tommy Joe
More refs
I havent noticed on the TV, but do all IPT matches have a ref?
I have ran many tourneys in the past, and even those that are held in a small location...I have at least one ref to assist me>>>whom I PAY! I have played in many snooker tourneys and there is always a ref for the next match...a player from the previous match is the new ref!
There is NO reason NOT TO PAY REFEREES and THERE MUST BE A REF ON EACH TABLE when holding a large $$$ tourney!!!
(ESPECIALLY WITH THESE LARGE PAYOFFS)
I havent noticed on the TV, but do all IPT matches have a ref?
I have ran many tourneys in the past, and even those that are held in a small location...I have at least one ref to assist me>>>whom I PAY! I have played in many snooker tourneys and there is always a ref for the next match...a player from the previous match is the new ref!
There is NO reason NOT TO PAY REFEREES and THERE MUST BE A REF ON EACH TABLE when holding a large $$$ tourney!!!
(ESPECIALLY WITH THESE LARGE PAYOFFS)
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ajrack said:
There were 10 referees on staff at the beginning of the last IPT tournament. As the size of the tournament decreased, so did the referee staff. Obviously, with up to 60 tables in use, each referee would be responsible for multiple tables. During the last two days, there was a referee for each table.
The staff will be larger for the Reno tournament.
The referee staff was compensated for their time.