Old School 2 Pushout 9 Ball

garczar said:
Was never designed to be 'watchable'; it was for action. WAAAY better game than TE. Once TE showed up in tournaments that's all people, especially the suckers, wanted to play. I never did like losing my cash watching the cheese get shit in or someone missing by a diamond and get a lucky hook. IMO one has to be a tad thick to bet anything other than super cheap playing TE rules. Glad you mentioned 'unwatchable' because that very accurately describes modern day, magic rack, TE 9ball. Rather watch paint dry than watch 9b today.
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Today the only time I watch a 9ball match is when it comes up in my YouTube feed and I want to see a players fundamentals.

I used to have trouble watching 1pkt. but the better I got at it the more interesting it became. Now I can't watch 9-ball and everyone I introduce
to 1 pkt tells they no longer find 9 b or 8b interesting even people who are just now learning to play. I start them on 1pkt right off. Everything a player needs to learn to do is right there. What a great way to learn to play pool.
 
garczar said:
It was pretty rare where i played but it was allowed. Most of the time the incoming player would shoot or pass but he could push too. If he did push back both players are now on 'one' so next shot has to be a legal hit or someone's gettin BIH. The version i've heard described but never seen is 'accept the shot accept the foul' where if player A pushed and player B took the shot he also accepted the foul and would then be on 'one' himself. We only played two fouls by the same player.
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I used to prefer to play what we called "Any. Two".
If I push out and you accept the shot, you're under the same risk as I would be if you gave the shot back to me. Most of the time when I would say one matching up Any Two, the guy would always come back with no two by the same player, a lot of players did not like playing that way.
 
A couple of guys used to come to my pool room who played together and bet pretty high. They had an interesting game they played where anytime a player missed if the other player was hooked he could push. Eliminating the luck of a miss. I'm not so sure that couldn't be Incorporated in some form in modern professional pool taking a lot of the luck out of the game.
 
middleofnowhere said:
A couple of guys used to come to my pool room who played together and bet pretty high. They had an interesting game they played where anytime a player missed if the other player was hooked he could push. Eliminating the luck of a miss. I'm not so sure that couldn't be Incorporated in some form in modern professional pool taking a lot of the luck out of the game.
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That is rollout
 
Charlie Hustle said:
I've heard about the old school 2 pushout 9 ball that was played before Texas Express took over, but have never seen it played. I have a couple of questions about the rules.

Obviously after the break if the shooter doesn't have a shot, they can push out (roll out). If the opponent gives them back the shot, do they get to pushout again?

2nd question. After the 1st pushout, if the opponent decides to accept the shot from where it lies, do they have the option to pushout again?

Just something I have been curious about recently.

EDIT: I realized after this thread I had the name of the game wrong. It's just called Pushout 9 Ball
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No and no. Ditto.
 
middleofnowhere said:
No because you could only push on a miss that hooks you. Rollout you can push just because you don't like the shot hooked or not.
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That is how I remember playing and scratches get ball in hand behind the line.
IF you scratch and a ball is made that ball spots up and you get the cue ball in the kitchen
and things keep rolling.

There are things about the old way that would appeal to some viewers but this is what we changed from
so there were obviously more people that wanted it changed.
 
336Robin said:
That is how I remember playing and scratches get ball in hand behind the line.
IF you scratch and a ball is made that ball spots up and you get the cue ball in the kitchen
and things keep rolling.

There are things about the old way that would appeal to some viewers but this is what we changed from
so there were obviously more people that wanted it changed.
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There's various ways of playing. We often played Ring games and we had this real reckless way we played. On a scratch you shot from behind the line, if the next ball and rotation was behind the line you just threw it down and shot the next Ball. A majority of people that played if you scratched and the next ball in rotation was behind the line it spotted up.

That's why years ago the spot shot was such an integral part of the game. It came up all the time. There was always a debate about balls behind the line about whether you look down the line cross table or you use base of the ball to determine if it's behind the line.

It used to even come up on the break. Guy would break and somebody else would yell hey he wasn't behind the line. Lots of things for people getting arguments about.

I remember the first time I ever played one foul. The guy comes in who I knew and had not seen in a while and we often played I usually beat him. Well wherever he'd been playing one foul was how they played.

So I never used argue about rules I'll play anyway the other player wants to play. Wow he beat me for 200 pretty quick. I have no idea what I was doing as he's playing me safe and snookering me getting ball in hand. But the fact is it wasn't long before that was the only way anybody was playing and one foul became the rule of the day from then on.
 
middleofnowhere said:
There's various ways of playing. We often played Ring games and we had this real reckless way we played. On a scratch you shot from behind the line, if the next ball and rotation was behind the line you just threw it down and shot the next Ball. A majority of people that played if you scratched and the next ball in rotation was behind the line it spotted up.

That's why years ago the spot shot was such an integral part of the game. It came up all the time. There was always a debate about balls behind the line about whether you look down the line cross table or you use base of the ball to determine if it's behind the line.

He used to even come up on the break. Guy would break and I'll send somebody else hey he wasn't behind the line. Lots of things for people getting arguments about.

I remember the first time I ever played one foul. The guy comes in who I knew and had not seen in a while and we often played I usually beat him. Well wherever he'd been playing one foul was how they played.

So I never used argue about rules I'll play anyway the other player wants to play. Wow he beat me for 200 pretty quick. But the fact is it wasn't long before that was the only way anybody was playing and one foul became the rule of the day from then on.
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When you say, "One Foul" what exactly does that mean?
 
336Robin said:
Ok that must have been after the day of the old school 9-ball rules.
or I'm guessing that.
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Yeah also most players weren't very good at kicking. Guy snookers you even with a workable shot and gets ball in hand. It didn't take long though everybody was kicking better and kicked balls safe they hit the correct side of the ball and so on with just the right speed. Created a whole new aspect to the game.
 
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336Robin said:
That is how I remember playing and scratches get ball in hand behind the line.
IF you scratch and a ball is made that ball spots up and you get the cue ball in the kitchen
and things keep rolling.

There are things about the old way that would appeal to some viewers but this is what we changed from
so there were obviously more people that wanted it changed.
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only two people wanted it changed and that's what it took.

the jansco brothers.
 
I enjoyed 2 push out and ball in hand behind the line.
Also liked Go For The Hit. The shooter had to go for the hit. If they miss they can be told to shoot again. It goes on until the opponent wants the cueball
 
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GoldCrown said:
I enjoyed 2 push out and ball in hand behind the line.
Also liked Go For The Hit. The shooter had to go for the hit. If they miss they can be told to shoot again. It goes on until the opponent wants the cueball
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Yes! I remember that! Wow its been a long time since I played those rules.
 
middleofnowhere said:
A couple of guys used to come to my pool room who played together and bet pretty high. They had an interesting game they played where anytime a player missed if the other player was hooked he could push. Eliminating the luck of a miss. I'm not so sure that couldn't be Incorporated in some form in modern professional pool taking a lot of the luck out of the game.
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That sir is pushout pool.
 
336Robin said:
Really? Interesting.
I've never heard that one.
I think I may know someone that can verify that, that is still alive.
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The Jansco's did not start Texas Express 9-Ball. It really began in earnest on the McDermott Tour. Randy G., John McChesney and Robin Adair created these new rules for 9-Ball.
 
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