Old Seattle Pool Rooms ... who remembers?

9BallPaul

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A few days ago I did a thread about old Denver pool rooms. AZers seemed to enjoy it. I'm not that qualified to comment on Seattle pool halls, yet still....

A few years ago I was asked to write a piece for the Seattle Post Intelligencer about the closing of one of its best old rooms, the 211 Club in
Belltown. I did my best.

By posting this, I'm hoping to provoke a similar thread about old Seattle rooms and, of course, the characters who hung there. Anybody?


SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/pool25.shtml

Poolroom scratched
Classic 211 Club succumbs to the march of progress in trendy Belltown

Monday, December 25, 2000

By P. HUTCHINSON
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGER

It's a violation of poolroom etiquette to go sentimental on anything, so regulars at the 211 Club just tightened their jaws yesterday and said, "See ya."

Then they went sappy anyway.

"I loved this place for so long," said a snooker player who goes by "Phred the Cook." "I don't know what I'll do with myself now that it's gone. I'm still in denial."

Last rites for the city's classiest poolroom concluded by late afternoon, Christmas Eve, when players unscrewed their cues, said their good-byes, then shuffled down the stairs and out to the streets of busy Belltown, where the new has overtaken the old.

R.I.P., 211.

Within a few months, the room will be reborn as yet another manifestation of Seattle's dizzying high-tech revolution. Some call it progress.

"I hate to see it get pushed out," said John Selivanoff, a Seattle native. "It's my favorite place to be."

For a few hours yesterday, the 211 Club jumped, as it had so many days in its storied past. Players, cue cases slung over shoulders, dropped by to pay their favorite joint a proper farewell. With every table in action, they huddled in threes and fours, laughing and smoking and shaking their heads.

"What a shame," said a guy named "Coach," a longshoreman with a passion for snooker. "Best place in town. Best players, too."

Players like Dan Louie, Seattle's finest. Or the incomparable Efren Reyes, whenever he passes through town. Or, in the old days, Harry Platis, lover of fast action and high stakes. Or the guy they call "Too Tall."

"Don't know why they call me that," Too Tall likes to say. "I'm only 5-17."

With the regulars gone and the party over, owner John Teerink dimmed the lights and locked the door on 104 years of Seattle billiards lore.

There was a day when every town had a room like this, where the smell is smoky and slightly boozy, the furnishings comfy but slightly seedy, the air tinged with excitement but slightly scary. And once you got to know it, and the people who hung there, it felt like home.

One by one, in town after town, these rooms have succumbed to the march. The 211 was among the last of its kind in the West.

Teerink might have saved his club had he been willing to compromise. Newer, corporate-run pool halls pump high-decibel music and feature banks of TVs and video games, and a large dose of ersatz nostalgia. No surprise they're packed with patrons, even if their equipment is cheesy and seldom maintained.

But Teerink wouldn't bend to the times. He insisted that his room be a temple, an authentic expression of how a poolroom used to be. And how it should be, by God, today.

In his joint, every table must roll true, every rail bounce straight. Tables must be covered in Simonis wool-blend cloth, imported from Belgium at triple the cost. House cues must be inspected regularly, tips replaced, shafts smoothed. Triangle chalk, of course, and the very best balls.

As Teerink sees it, the defining quality of a poolroom is its cast of characters. In that regard, the 211 was rich beyond measure.

There was Gary Shelley, "a space case," as Teerink remembered him, "who would come in and drink coffee, always quiet, but this became his home. He was an oddball who fit right in." After he died, the club honored him with a table bearing his name.

Then there was "Slow Ball Harry."

"He was old when I got here and he survived another 20 years after that," Teerink said. "He was a Seattle guy who'd won a city championship back in the '30s. He finally got so he couldn't play anymore, so he'd sit on the rail and watch. He'd show his appreciation for a good shot by tapping a cue on the floor."

The pair were among the many pensioners who occupied nearby hotels, but found their home at the 211. They'd play cards or ride the rail, watching the players. Railbirds, they were called.

"They're all dead now," Teerink said. "Literally, some of them came in here to die. And they did."

The 211 joins such long-gone Seattle poolrooms as Brown & Hulens, Pope & Sibley's, Greenland's Recreation and Les Brainard's, all downtown fixtures in the early part of last century. The club emerged from a joint called Gilroy & Nefziger's, at 211 Union St.

Teerink, a top-flight, three-cushion billiards player (high run: 17), discovered the 211 Club in the early 1960s, and 10 years later bought shares in the corporation that owned it.

"I just fell in love, that's all there is to it," he recalled, Share by share, he acquired full ownership. "In all the years I've been here, I've only seen one fight."

To understand Teerink's affection for the place, consider the jam he faced 14 years ago. He'd lost his lease at the old location, a couple blocks away, but all he could find was a two-story walkup with leaky ceilings and sagging floors. Not the ideal setup for two-dozen tables of a ton or two each.

"We did all the work ourselves," he recalls. "The wiring, the plumbing, the painting, all of it."

That was the easy part.

To finance the move required $68,000 cash, up front, and a masterful stroke of domestic finesse. Teerink had to convince his wife, Betty, to sell their two-story Colonial home in Silver Lake, where they'd lived, quite comfortably, for many years.

"She doesn't even like pool," Teerink said. "Actually, she hates it."

Realizing her husband's pool jones was incurable, Betty Teerink agreed to sell the house to keep the 211 alive. Then came the tough sell: Would she care to live in the back of a poolroom?

So that's where they've been for the past 14 years: John with his love for the game, living just where he wants, and Betty with her love for John, willing to live behind a Belltown pool hall if that's what it takes.

The Teerinks will go south for the winter, then make some decisions. The club's equipment has been sold, piece by piece, mostly to regulars.

"Everybody says I can buy the stuff back if I ever open up again," Teerink says, with a hint that it just could happen. "That's pretty special that my customers would feel that way. Kind of gives you a lump . . ."

Late yesterday, he wasn't the only one with a lump, poolroom etiquette be damned.



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Oh yeah, I remember the 211. I used to drive up from Tacoma to play in their tournaments. I remember playing Mike Zimmerman, Masa Sasaki, J.D., Tim Tweedel and a few others there. Had some real nice snooker and billiard tables there.

No jukebox. No TVs. Just pool. I remember the very simple display case that you picked up the balls from. Looked like something out of the 1920's..

Had a certain seediness to it that made it perfect for pool.

I remember when Billy Palmer and Chris McDonald came through looking for some action. They weren't looking to play Seattle's best, and the rest of us knew better. You had to be careful looking for One Pocket games in that room, as a lot of the players were also very good 3-Cushion players, which made them double tough in One Pocket.

I remember chatting with John Teerink one time about how Rudolpho Luat had challenged some 3-Cushion player at his own game, and beat him easily. John told me he'd drill Rudolpho if he ever tried that **** with him. I remember thinking John was full of it, as he was looking pretty long in the tooth by that time. Turns out, he'd have probably spotted Luat, and had no problems.

Good times..

Russ
 
211 Club In Seattle, WA

The 211 Club was an original pool hall with no TVs, no music, just serious pool playing. I remember playing Chris McDonald there on a 5 x 10 pool table. He was a much better player than me back then (and probably still is) but he offered the 7 Ball on that 5 x 10. Ked Dodd was with me and he and I agreed that the 7 Ball was a HUGE spot on a 5 x 10 table. I got seven games ahead in no time and Chris quit realizing by then how much weight the 7 Ball is on a 5 x 10.

Another time I played there I was playing Cocomo a race to 11 for 100.00 or 200.00 (I can't remember for sure). I had him 10-1 and thought I was a sure winner. The next thing I know I couldn't make a ball and he couldn't miss a ball. Then it was 10 - 10 and Cocomo shot the 9 ball in the corner pocket AND JAWED THE BALL! I made the hanging 9 ball to win the race and Cocomo quit. Kenny told me I was the luckest person he ever met. I didn't see Cocomo for 20 years and ran into him Longview, WA and yes he remembered me and that match. We both laughed it off as a great memory (a better one for me!).

The 211 Club was full of action 20 years ago at all levels of pool. I only played there a few times but it was like walking back in time and man I miss that place.
 
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9BallPaul said:
A few days ago I did a thread about old Denver pool rooms. AZers seemed to enjoy it. I'm not that qualified to comment on Seattle pool halls, yet still....

A few years ago I was asked to write a piece for the Seattle Post Intelligencer about the closing of one of its best old rooms, the 211 Club in
Belltown. I did my best.

By posting this, I'm hoping to provoke a similar thread about old Seattle rooms and, of course, the characters who hung there. Anybody?


SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/pool25.shtml

Poolroom scratched
Classic 211 Club succumbs to the march of progress in trendy Belltown

Monday, December 25, 2000

By P. HUTCHINSON
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGER

It's a violation of poolroom etiquette to go sentimental on anything, so regulars at the 211 Club just tightened their jaws yesterday and said, "See ya."

Then they went sappy anyway.

"I loved this place for so long," said a snooker player who goes by "Phred the Cook." "I don't know what I'll do with myself now that it's gone. I'm still in denial."

Last rites for the city's classiest poolroom concluded by late afternoon, Christmas Eve, when players unscrewed their cues, said their good-byes, then shuffled down the stairs and out to the streets of busy Belltown, where the new has overtaken the old.

R.I.P., 211.

Within a few months, the room will be reborn as yet another manifestation of Seattle's dizzying high-tech revolution. Some call it progress.

"I hate to see it get pushed out," said John Selivanoff, a Seattle native. "It's my favorite place to be."

For a few hours yesterday, the 211 Club jumped, as it had so many days in its storied past. Players, cue cases slung over shoulders, dropped by to pay their favorite joint a proper farewell. With every table in action, they huddled in threes and fours, laughing and smoking and shaking their heads.

"What a shame," said a guy named "Coach," a longshoreman with a passion for snooker. "Best place in town. Best players, too."

Players like Dan Louie, Seattle's finest. Or the incomparable Efren Reyes, whenever he passes through town. Or, in the old days, Harry Platis, lover of fast action and high stakes. Or the guy they call "Too Tall."

"Don't know why they call me that," Too Tall likes to say. "I'm only 5-17."

With the regulars gone and the party over, owner John Teerink dimmed the lights and locked the door on 104 years of Seattle billiards lore.

There was a day when every town had a room like this, where the smell is smoky and slightly boozy, the furnishings comfy but slightly seedy, the air tinged with excitement but slightly scary. And once you got to know it, and the people who hung there, it felt like home.

One by one, in town after town, these rooms have succumbed to the march. The 211 was among the last of its kind in the West.

Teerink might have saved his club had he been willing to compromise. Newer, corporate-run pool halls pump high-decibel music and feature banks of TVs and video games, and a large dose of ersatz nostalgia. No surprise they're packed with patrons, even if their equipment is cheesy and seldom maintained.

But Teerink wouldn't bend to the times. He insisted that his room be a temple, an authentic expression of how a poolroom used to be. And how it should be, by God, today.

In his joint, every table must roll true, every rail bounce straight. Tables must be covered in Simonis wool-blend cloth, imported from Belgium at triple the cost. House cues must be inspected regularly, tips replaced, shafts smoothed. Triangle chalk, of course, and the very best balls.

As Teerink sees it, the defining quality of a poolroom is its cast of characters. In that regard, the 211 was rich beyond measure.

There was Gary Shelley, "a space case," as Teerink remembered him, "who would come in and drink coffee, always quiet, but this became his home. He was an oddball who fit right in." After he died, the club honored him with a table bearing his name.

Then there was "Slow Ball Harry."

"He was old when I got here and he survived another 20 years after that," Teerink said. "He was a Seattle guy who'd won a city championship back in the '30s. He finally got so he couldn't play anymore, so he'd sit on the rail and watch. He'd show his appreciation for a good shot by tapping a cue on the floor."

The pair were among the many pensioners who occupied nearby hotels, but found their home at the 211. They'd play cards or ride the rail, watching the players. Railbirds, they were called.

"They're all dead now," Teerink said. "Literally, some of them came in here to die. And they did."

The 211 joins such long-gone Seattle poolrooms as Brown & Hulens, Pope & Sibley's, Greenland's Recreation and Les Brainard's, all downtown fixtures in the early part of last century. The club emerged from a joint called Gilroy & Nefziger's, at 211 Union St.

Teerink, a top-flight, three-cushion billiards player (high run: 17), discovered the 211 Club in the early 1960s, and 10 years later bought shares in the corporation that owned it.

"I just fell in love, that's all there is to it," he recalled, Share by share, he acquired full ownership. "In all the years I've been here, I've only seen one fight."

To understand Teerink's affection for the place, consider the jam he faced 14 years ago. He'd lost his lease at the old location, a couple blocks away, but all he could find was a two-story walkup with leaky ceilings and sagging floors. Not the ideal setup for two-dozen tables of a ton or two each.

"We did all the work ourselves," he recalls. "The wiring, the plumbing, the painting, all of it."

That was the easy part.

To finance the move required $68,000 cash, up front, and a masterful stroke of domestic finesse. Teerink had to convince his wife, Betty, to sell their two-story Colonial home in Silver Lake, where they'd lived, quite comfortably, for many years.

"She doesn't even like pool," Teerink said. "Actually, she hates it."

Realizing her husband's pool jones was incurable, Betty Teerink agreed to sell the house to keep the 211 alive. Then came the tough sell: Would she care to live in the back of a poolroom?

So that's where they've been for the past 14 years: John with his love for the game, living just where he wants, and Betty with her love for John, willing to live behind a Belltown pool hall if that's what it takes.

The Teerinks will go south for the winter, then make some decisions. The club's equipment has been sold, piece by piece, mostly to regulars.

"Everybody says I can buy the stuff back if I ever open up again," Teerink says, with a hint that it just could happen. "That's pretty special that my customers would feel that way. Kind of gives you a lump . . ."

Late yesterday, he wasn't the only one with a lump, poolroom etiquette be damned.



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? 1998-2000 Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Paul, Your article in the Seattle paper was one of the best (or maybe the
best) I have ever read, pertaining to pool and the action we all loved. You captured the feelings so many of us felt as
the old "Days of Glory" faded away. I remember the "211" from my youth
and it was one of my favorites. Most of my action in those days was at
Max Wilson's room in Tacoma ( him and Whitey always gave you a play)
You've sure gained my respect for an excellent post.
 
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211 Club

I can't say I've ever been. I moved here two years ago. However I see signs all around the city. The snooker table is now at the Zoo tavern on Eastlake, and I have seen a few other of 211's tables around town. It seems, even to a newcomer, that the 211 will never really die...

-AJ
 
yep, that's what i'm sayin'

TWOFORPOOL said:
The 211 Club was an original pool hall with no TVs, no music, just serious pool playing. I remember playing Chris McDonald there on a 5 x 10 pool table. He was a much better player than me back then (and probably still is) but he offered the 7 Ball on that 5 x 10. Ked Dodd was with me and he and I agreed that the 7 Ball was a HUGE spot on a 5 x 10 table. I got seven games ahead in no time and Chris quit realizing by then how much weight the 7 Ball is on a 5 x 10.

Another time I played there I was playing Cocomo a race to 11 for 100.00 or 200.00 (I can't remember for sure). I had him 10-1 and thought I was a sure winner. The next thing I know I couldn't make a ball and he couldn't miss a ball. Then it was 10 - 10 and Cocomo shot the 9 ball in the corner pocket AND JAWED THE BALL! I made the hanging 9 ball to win the race and Cocomo quit. Kenny told me I was the luckest person he ever met. I didn't see Cocomo for 20 years and ran into him Longview, WA and yes he remembered me and that match. We both laughed it off as a great memory (a better one for me!).

The 211 Club was full of action 20 years ago at all levels of pool. I only played there a few times but it was like walking back in time and man I miss that place.

Walking back in time ain't alway a bad thing.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Paul, Your article in the Seattle paper was one of the best (or maybe the
best) I have ever read, pertaining to pool and the action we all loved. You captured the feelings so many of us felt as
the old "Days of Glory" faded away. I remember the "211" from my youth
and it was one of my favorites. Most of my action in those days was at
Max Wilson's room in Tacoma ( him and Whitey always gave you a play)
You've sure gained my respect for an excellent post.
 
SJDinPHX said:
SJDinPHX said:
Paul, Your article in the Seattle paper was one of the best (or maybe the
best) I have ever read, pertaining to pool and the action we all loved. You captured the feelings so many of us felt as
the old "Days of Glory" faded away. I remember the "211" from my youth
and it was one of my favorites. Most of my action in those days was at
Max Wilson's room in Tacoma ( him and Whitey always gave you a play)
You've sure gained my respect for an excellent post.

Coming from you, that means lots. Thanks. So many stories, so little time,
 
Another great room was the Eight Ball owned and operated by Whitey Michaels or Better Know as Tacoma Whitey. This room was located in Tacoma not Seattle and it was most likely the Biggest Action room in recent State History. Whitey not only was a a Big Action player, he also made Custom Pool tables under the Brand Name of Thea!! These tables can be identified by having Indian Head Pennies inlay-ed in the rail in place of Diamonds.

I am a collector of Antique Billiards items and I have a number of items including a exhibition of Whitey. Whitey passed away on 15 November 1983
and he was born on 28 July 1928.

While many have forgotten about Whitey and his pool room today, hopefully someone out there will offer some additional information concerning Whitey and the Great players that came here to Gamble with him. The last Great Player I spoke to about Whitey and who also traveled here to play him was Grady Mathews. But Grady was only one of many, and since Whitey passed to my understanding the local action has never been the same.

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Tacoma Whitey

Now there was a character! I remember one time he was playing in a pool tournament at the Hunt & Fish Tavern (best action spot in Portland 25 years ago). He was playing (race to 9) against Dave Reavis and Whitey won the break and ran 7 racks. During the 7th rack he froze up against an object ball and he couldn't tell if he could get by the ball without hitting it. He put down his cue left the building only to return with a pair of reading glasses! It was one of the funniest things I have ever seen in pool. He just ran 6 racks and he couldn't see well enough to determine if he could get by another ball. He ended up running that rack out also for a 7 pack.
 
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Seattle pool places!!

They also had Fatsos, Smokey Joes, Ball and Rack, Nardos, and the Grove in Everett.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
Now there was a character! I remember one time he was playing in a pool tournament at the Hunt & Fish Tavern (best action spot in Portland 25 years ago). He was playing (race to 9) against Dave Reavis and Whitey won the break and ran 7 racks. During the 7th rack he froze up against an object ball and he couldn't tell if he could get by the ball without hitting it. He put down his cue left the building only to return with a pair of reading glasses! It was one of the funniest things I have ever seen in pool. He just ran 6 racks and he couldn't see well enough to determine if he could get by another ball. He ended up running that rack out also for a 7 pack.
That was Whitey, he was a real character and a great guy. I remember once, in the very early years, I flashed a $1000.00
at him trying to get him down. He said, "Whats a dumb kid like you doing with that kind of money"? Whereupon he immediately
relieved me of it.
 
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SpiderWeb said:
They also had Fatsos, Smokey Joes, Ball and Rack, Nardos, and the Grove in Everett.

Cobb how are you doing, I have not heard from you for awhile. Tell them about the 211 Club and other Seattle Billiards History, I am certain you have some storys to tell. Give me a call when you have a chance.

Take care Buddy!!!!!!!!!!
 
SpiderWeb said:
They also had Fatsos, Smokey Joes, Ball and Rack, Nardos, and the Grove in Everett.

Is this Bill Webb? If so, I talked to you about quite a few Washington and Oregon players at DCC this year.

If so, for those who don't know, Spider Webb hit's em perty sporty hisself!

Russ
 
Crazy Whitey, continued

manwon said:
Well come on tell some more stories about him!!
Frequented Max's place a lot as a green kid. Had as many good stories about that joint as anywhere I've ever been. Whitey was very protective of Max, (who I considered my personal pigeon) and he would often try to
recoup Max's losses from me. Sometimes this did not work out to their
mutual benefit. We later resorted to cards (gin and poker) which also
was not to their liking most times. After all, I came from a place all the scuff's called "The poker school of the world" (San Jose).
All I can say is I enjoyed my time spent with them (Max and George)and
they were true gentlemen and great to gamble with. Whitey, I see you're still out there, alive and kicking. If you spot this, give me a PM.
Dick
 
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manwon said:
Another great room was the Eight Ball owned and operated by Whitey Michaels or Better Know as Tacoma Whitey. This room was located in Tacoma not Seattle and it was most likely the Biggest Action room in recent State History. Whitey not only was a a Big Action player, he also made Custom Pool tables under the Brand Name of Thea!! These tables can be identified by having Indian Head Pennies inlay-ed in the rail in place of Diamonds.

I am a collector of Antique Billiards items and I have a number of items including a exhibition of Whitey. Whitey passed away on 15 November 1983
and he was born on 28 July 1928.

While many have forgotten about Whitey and his pool room today, hopefully someone out there will offer some additional information concerning Whitey and the Great players that came here to Gamble with him. The last Great Player I spoke to about Whitey and who also traveled here to play him was Grady Mathews. But Grady was only one of many, and since Whitey passed to my understanding the local action has never been the same.

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Am I losing my mind? (probably) Was't Whitey's real name George Micheals?
I know he was also known as "Crazy and Tacoma" depending on who you were talking to. I see a George Micheals listed in recent tournament results, I guess thats not the same guy,huh? Are you saying Whitey passed away in '83. I had not heard that. Please update this poor old
uninformed idiot!
Thanks
Dick
 
ajohnson13 said:
I can't say I've ever been. I moved here two years ago. However I see signs all around the city. The snooker table is now at the Zoo tavern on Eastlake, and I have seen a few other of 211's tables around town. It seems, even to a newcomer, that the 211 will never really die...

-AJ
The snooker table at the Zoo has always been their table, never belonged to the 211, I know, I moved the 211 from Union st up stairs on Bell. Took me 6 weeks to move, repair broken slates, fix everything that needed fixing, and set the tables up for John at the new location.

Glen
 
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