Old Timers and Jump Cues
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cut shot said:
I can't quite recall the entire story / sequence, but in general the 'jump cue' is a relatively recent innovation, and the Greats you mention above could have easily pre-dated the jump cue. I'm sure someone will correct me or elaborate further...
Dave
The jump cue has been around on the pro scene about 1989-90. I have back issues of billiard digest with Nick Varner usuing one at an all around tournament. I am sure the jump cue predates 1989. It just seemed to be noted to be used by some pros around that time.
Marcus Collier
Marcus Collier, the greatest Bumper Pool player that ever lived, use to carry a bumper pool cue with him for jumping balls on the pool table back in the early 1970s. This idea stuck in the minds of a few people and one of them decided to put a larger tip on it and sell it as a jump cue. TRIH..............................$Bill
Marcus Collier, the greatest Bumper Pool player that ever lived, use to carry a bumper pool cue with him for jumping balls on the pool table back in the early 1970s. This idea stuck in the minds of a few people and one of them decided to put a larger tip on it and sell it as a jump cue. TRIH..............................$Bill
JustPlay said:
I believe that the true forerunners of today's jump cues date back to about 1985, at which time Sammy Jones and Pat Fleming were experimenting with various homemade jump sticks, long before any specifications pertained. Still, I believe that, as you suggest, jump cues weren't in wide use until about 1989. I believe that Sammy Jones and Earl Strickland were the first two players that became really good at jump shots.
hemicudas said:
Wow, Hemi, that's really interestng. Obviously, Marcus Collier was jumping balls some ten years before Sammy Jones was, yet so many of us think of Sammy as the first serious jumper of balls.
I'm sure I'm one of many on the forum that has very little familiarity with bumper pool. I believe I was eight years old when I last played it, but remember having a lot of fun with it. I haven't even seen a bumper pool table in over thirty five years.
Was there and is there a serious "bumper pool" tournament or action scene? If so, in what part of the USA? And, finally, was the jump shot used in bumper pool?
sjm said:
There were a few players that jumped balls back in the 70s and maybe the 60s, SJM. The thing that Marcus found out was that it was easier to jump balls with a short cue. The other players that jumped balls used their full length playing cue. Smokey Joe Bartlett, like Marcus a Texas product, to this day jumps balls as well as anyone on earth with a full length cue.
There can only be a very few bumper pool tables left in the country, SJM. Back in the 70s it was huge gambling game from Texas, east to Florida. Kentucky was very big on the game. There were spots all over the country you could find big bumper pool action.
I have never seen anyone jump a ball on the bumper pool table, SJM. Marcus has many times curved, (massed) all 5 balls in without going to a rail though. This is something he wouldn't do in a game for fear of running the guy off. I have never see a bumper pool tournament. It was all action.
Bumper Pool Tables
Believe it or not there are probably a lot of bumper pool tables out there but no one knows it. Why? They are integrated in thousands of poker tables that they sell as 3 in 1 tables. Dining, Poker, and Bumper Pool. We have one in our room but is always used for poker. However I imagine some day someone will bring it up and we will have action. Thats just the nature of pool players.
Shuffle up and deal.
Believe it or not there are probably a lot of bumper pool tables out there but no one knows it. Why? They are integrated in thousands of poker tables that they sell as 3 in 1 tables. Dining, Poker, and Bumper Pool. We have one in our room but is always used for poker. However I imagine some day someone will bring it up and we will have action. Thats just the nature of pool players.
Shuffle up and deal.
cut shot said:
I don't think jumping is that new. We are just jumping higher now.
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Not that Mosconi would want to leave himself this or like it if he walked up to the table to it, but if he did, I think I know just how he would continue to run the next 2 or 3 hundred balls. The cue ball doesn't quite fit between the 4 and 5. I think way back then, before jump cues, he would have jacked up a bit, jumped the sides of the 4 and 5, made the 6, put the 4 in the side and broke the next rack making the 5 in the corner.
JPB said:
Exactly right, JPB. That is the difference. What Marcus and Smokey did was roll out, straight in but hooked. The other guy had to pass the shot and it was like getting hit in the gut with a bowling ball when, Marcus, would jack up and fire the ball straight in. Often drawing his ball, as Earl does now, to attain position. People use to laugh at Marcus and his little bumper pool cue but it took a hell of a player to get his cash on the pool table and none got the cash if they cared to grab a little cue themselves.
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
"Squirrel vs. Surfer Rod"
I'll never forget a match I watched (and bet on) at the Tropicana Hotel in Vegas, way back when. Squirrel & Surfer Rod were playing One-Pocket on a bar table for $500 a game and every time squirrel would leave Rod on the other side of the stack with balls around his hole, Rod would just jump over the stack and bank a ball into his hole & run out or get at least 4 or 5 balls. Rod was using his normal cue.
Well after this happened about 3 or 4 times, Squirrel (Marshall Carpenter), made a big speach. "If this guy thinks he can keep doing this silly crap and Get The Cash - He'll Just Have To Bust Me".
Now I only had a Piece of a side bet on Rod and was only betting $20 a game so I went to bed about 2 am.
When I got back down to the Tournament Room at about 1 pm the next afternoon, the game was just getting over. SQUIRREL WENT BUSTED & my $20 bet returned $520.
About 3 month later in Nashville, I watched Squirrel playing $400 One-Pocket with a good player from N'Orleans and what do you think Squirrel was doing? - Thats Right - Jumping Over The Stack & Banking Balls Into His Hole.
I'll never forget a match I watched (and bet on) at the Tropicana Hotel in Vegas, way back when. Squirrel & Surfer Rod were playing One-Pocket on a bar table for $500 a game and every time squirrel would leave Rod on the other side of the stack with balls around his hole, Rod would just jump over the stack and bank a ball into his hole & run out or get at least 4 or 5 balls. Rod was using his normal cue.
Well after this happened about 3 or 4 times, Squirrel (Marshall Carpenter), made a big speach. "If this guy thinks he can keep doing this silly crap and Get The Cash - He'll Just Have To Bust Me".
Now I only had a Piece of a side bet on Rod and was only betting $20 a game so I went to bed about 2 am.
When I got back down to the Tournament Room at about 1 pm the next afternoon, the game was just getting over. SQUIRREL WENT BUSTED & my $20 bet returned $520.
About 3 month later in Nashville, I watched Squirrel playing $400 One-Pocket with a good player from N'Orleans and what do you think Squirrel was doing? - Thats Right - Jumping Over The Stack & Banking Balls Into His Hole.
So far as I know, jump shots have always been legal at all pool games. There are some bank shots at one pocket that require the cue ball to jump onto the nose of the foot cushion to avoid the kiss. Jumping over obstructions is a little trickier at one pocket because you have to control the cue ball (or be sure to make the object ball).kyle said:
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
NO - You either take the shot or pass!piglit said: