Older schon ID help

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shag_fu

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i need some help getting an idea what era and price range this schon falls under. If you need better pics let me know. There are 2 small bubbles in the finish, one on the butt area that you can see in one of the pics, and one by the joint. Im not really sure of the joint material, or how to id older schon shafts. One shaft is about 31" the other is standard. both are about 13mm in Dia. Any more info just ask.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/89615159@N00/?find=joshbertolet@yahoo.com
I posted them on flickr as Im not really sure how to attach them to posts yet. It was also the best way for me to post full size high def pics, for easier viewing.
 
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I'd guess mid 80's cue. Evan Clarke at schon www.schoncues.com is very helpful if you ask direct questions about cues. He has a page on what to send for him to id the cue.

The joint looks like mircata to me but may be something else. Tate is very helpful as well as herseybill (something like that..member on this site who collects schons) Tate and him are friends so you could pm tate and get the right username.
 
Thanks, Cubswin. Here's a page with some catalogs and photo's of Bill's collection:


http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonPage.html

Cubswin has it right. It's hard to tell from the photos, but it looks like a Schon R-6 from the mid- 1980's with a reworked joint. The non-metal joints Schon used were implex, but they tend to be brighter white and more uniform in color than the one on your cue. The one on your cue looks like micarta or possibly even real ivory. It also looks like an earlier version of the stitch rings.

Anyway, an original R-6 is worth about $700 with one shaft and I don't know if the joint will help or hurt the value, or if it is original.

Can you e-mail Evan Clarke at info@schoncues.com - he should be able to clear it up.

Chris
 
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It looks to me like you guys have it right. It is most likely an 1980's R6 with a replacement joint and shaft collars. If you can get Evan or Bob Runde to confirm that it was a special order cue with an Ivory joint, then you would have something special.
I'd enjoy seeing some more pictures.

Bill
 
Well, I emailed schon last week and tried to call today after work but no help so far. I only had 2 small pics to send them. This is a 1 owner schon but I havent contacted the orig. owner yet. The things I really need to know are the joint material and if the shafts are original.
 
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shag_fu said:
Well, I emailed schon last week and tried to call today after work but no help so far. I only had 2 small pics to send them. This is a 1 owner schon but I havent contacted the orig. owner yet. The things I really need to know are the joint material and if the shafts are original.
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If it helps, in the photo on the lower left corner, the upper shaft looks like an original Schon shaft from the era. Those shafts have thicker, shorter stitches than your cue does and you can see the woven linen in the black phenolic pretty clearly. The other shaft, which I bet is the one that matches your joint collar, looks like a copy. The joint collar looks like it was changed out.

I am almost certain the joint is not original. Hold the joint to a light., look at it closely and turn it. If it's micarta, you will see a uniform yellow color (almost powdery dull) with brown streaks in it and doesn't polish up very easily. If it's ivory, you can see a grain pattern that is similar to hardwood but you have to look closely and it should polish up easily. If it's buckhorn, you will see creamy gray or light brown clouds and specs, and it also polishes up easily.

Chris
 
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So I looked closer at the joint, it does have that wood grain pattern that you mentioned. So I can only assume that this is an ivory joint. Is this cue in its current condition worth the 600 the owner wants for it?
 
I'm Not A Schon Guy But, If The Joint Was Special Order Wouldn't It Have Most Likely Been Piloted Like The Steel Joints? The Flat Faced Thing Makes Me Think The Joint Was Replaced.
 
The one original shaft I have of the 2 isnt piloted. I am assuming the joint was redone at some point, bcuz the stitch rings match the newer shaft as opposed to matching the orig. shaft. In my opinion its not worth 600 in its present condition. It needs a refinish, the joint isnt original(ivory helps but not that much if its not original), it shows a bit of wear and tear, shafts are both well used. I offered 5 but the guy really wanted to get 6 out of it.
 
Your cue, if you still have it nearly three years after the original post, looks like and fits the description of an S-7.

My daily player for three years has been a Schon and I thought it was an STL-7 until I looked at this website and discovered it is either an SL-5 or as SP-49, they look identical in these pictures.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonSseries.html
 
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