JB Cases said:
Jeff Abernathy can't name 5 men who he feels should beat her. LOL...she definately has his number.
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Jeff Abernathy can't name 5 men who he feels should beat her. LOL...she definately has his number.
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I agree with that. Also I think if women did play with men and there was no women's league, they would play better and maybe have few good tournaments in occassionally (maybe not winning, but placing decent). When you are at the top and you have nobody pushing you from bottom, I think there is lack of enough motivation to improve.
corvette1340 said:
Pretty Good - and truthful if you take Brian's word for it. Of course he won't actually give her what she "needs" (according to him of never ever claims) cause that might be gambling.
I don't sponsor Kelly. But I wouldn't hesitate to put her in the box if she wants to play.
But I won't do it by remote control either.
This case might be better though:
JB Cases said:Pretty Good - and truthful if you take Brian's word for it. Of course he won't actually give her what she "needs" (according to him of never ever claims) cause that might be gambling.
I don't sponsor Kelly. But I wouldn't hesitate to put her in the box if she wants to play.
But I won't do it by remote control either.
This case might be better though:
lol, those are actually pretty good. I just wanted you to stop backtracking and quit trying to change the games on Brian. Also, why are you downing him so much? He only stated his opinion and stood by it. I am not his backer only his friend and it seems that a lot more people agree with his statements in this thread than they do of yours. Also, if you would like to make me a case with a corvette on it I will play for JB cases in all the handicap c and d tourneys from now on. K, thanks.
corvette1340 said:
It's true. You think they don't know that? That's why they have their own tour. The amateurs and lower class players also have their own tour.
But IF there as many women playing as there are men and without the tudes and the ugliness then there would definitely be a comparable number of elite players of both genders.
That doesn't mean however that there aren't women right now who are as good or could be as good as the top men. There are. But they have no incentive to try to prove that they are when they make a good living doing what they do and the men offer nothing but crappy attitudes about playing them and less money.
I find it absolutely hilarious that a wheelchair player can enter the US Open but a woman cannot. I find it funny that the US Open AND the UPA would take money from a Man who puts down $500 entry fee whether he can play or not but then excludes women from playing.
You all ***** about how women can't compete and then you don't DEMAND from the powers that be - such as they are - that women be allowed to compete. YOU are the ones who are partly to blame for holding them back.
Now, whine about the women having a league of their own where the men are not allowed in. Well we all know that on avergage women are weaker players - the women know this. So if it's fair to have a Wheelchair tour, and a C and B player's tour, and handicapped leagues where certain players are excluded then it's certainly fair for the women to have a league of their own.
What is NOT FAIR is for the men to exclude any players who want to compete. The men are the best, everyone knows that, so whty are they afraid to allow women to compete? Why is the UPA afraid to allow women to compete.
Kelly wanted to play on the UPA and was told she could not because she has breasts. I said what if Kelly renounces the WPBA and was told no, she would not be allowed to play on the UPA.
So next time you want to speak the "truth" about the disparity between women and men's skill levels in pool perhaps you ought to consider who is promoting that disparity.
This thread has gotten hilarious. Thanks guys. I may have to get one of Barton's creations now. I have been thinking about it anyway, but I have to get out of my betting slump... for the year I'm only up $47.50 (got a ways to go for one of JB's cases, but will proudly sport it to every tournament I go 2 and out.
Same respect to the females who all play far better than I, but I don't look down an opportunity to put some cash in my pocket ... which is what would happen if Brian played Kelly in a long set.
If anyone has any question as to the severity of consecutive hours of play (which I don't believe any of the women aside from maybe Sarah Rousey have had any experience), please view:
Shane's performance in his last DCC 9 ball matches after gambling all night.
Tedder v. Josh where play is dead even for 9 hours until Josh is allowed to take a power nap and destroys Tedder who can't make a ball thereafter.
The Color of Money Match
No slight to any of the women, but the male pros are more competitive and definitely better grinders (not saying 100% so don't flame me, but at least 90%).
If anyone has any question as to the severity of consecutive hours of play (which I don't believe any of the women aside from maybe Sarah Rousey have had any experience), please view:
Shane's performance in his last DCC 9 ball matches after gambling all night.
Tedder v. Josh where play is dead even for 9 hours until Josh is allowed to take a power nap and destroys Tedder who can't make a ball thereafter.
The Color of Money Match
No slight to any of the women, but the male pros are more competitive and definitely better grinders (not saying 100% so don't flame me, but at least 90%).
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iba7467 said:
This match took alot longer than an hour after they resumed play. I know i watched it for at least 4 hours after their long break.
Tedder cost himself the match because he failed to take his time on so many shots. This caused him to miss alot of balls that he should have made.
JB Cases said:
I'm not sure why some of the powers that be exclude women from participating in their tournaments. I do know that none of the men complain about the women playing because they don't mind the donation. Sure, Karen or Allison or any other woman might place high in an event or two and that is fine, more power to them. In fact, I always congratulate them because they obviously played good in that tournament. I am simply stating that in the long run, women cannot compete with the men. It's basically the same in poker. Anyone can win for a week or two or maybe a month, and anyone can win a tournament, but in the long run the better player is gonna get the cash and the weaker player is gonna go bust.
corvette1340 said:
I am not changing the game. Brian never made a game beyond 20 ahead. I offered games. I said 10 ball and snooker. Surely those two games are cool with both players. Kelly has almost zero experience with ten ball, it's considered to be tougher than nine ball, most people here think it should be the PRO game. Brian certainly has more experience than Kelly in this area.
Snooker is something Kelly does have experience at although she is pretty rusty now. However Brian's should be able to overcome Kelly's experience with superior firepower.
So a fair test in my opinion is something that Brian has more experience at and something Kelly has more experience at.
I think you need to reread the thread Vette and figure out what my opinions are before you state that more people agree with Brian's than mine. I certainly don't think that more people believe that all the top men will win every 7 ahead set they play against women. If they do then I will jsut bet that and bet high. I will let Kelly play any player you choose and they will play 100 seven ahead sets and the bet is that Kelly will not win one single one.
That's the statement I most disagree with. The never ever absolutes.
I have been around top notchers all my life and Kelly, Allison and Karen are all top notch players. I think Kelly has the most firepower out of the three but not the consistency yet.
Sorry Corvette I only sponsor top players - that way I know my cases will get "distributed"
Peace.
JB Cases said:I am not changing the game. Brian never made a game beyond 20 ahead. I offered games. I said 10 ball and snooker. Surely those two games are cool with both players. Kelly has almost zero experience with ten ball, it's considered to be tougher than nine ball, most people here think it should be the PRO game. Brian certainly has more experience than Kelly in this area.
Snooker is something Kelly does have experience at although she is pretty rusty now. However Brian's should be able to overcome Kelly's experience with superior firepower.
So a fair test in my opinion is something that Brian has more experience at and something Kelly has more experience at.
I think you need to reread the thread Vette and figure out what my opinions are before you state that more people agree with Brian's than mine. I certainly don't think that more people believe that all the top men will win every 7 ahead set they play against women. If they do then I will jsut bet that and bet high. I will let Kelly play any player you choose and they will play 100 seven ahead sets and the bet is that Kelly will not win one single one.
That's the statement I most disagree with. The never ever absolutes.
I have been around top notchers all my life and Kelly, Allison and Karen are all top notch players. I think Kelly has the most firepower out of the three but not the consistency yet.
Sorry Corvette I only sponsor top players - that way I know my cases will get "distributed"
Peace.
I don't need sponsorship, I just wanted a cool case or maybe a JB Handbag that I can put 50K in just in case Kelly tries to highroll me when she steps in the box against Brian. Maybe you can make one for Fatboy too.
Neil said:
Exactly Neil. If everyone will stop and think about how many great players there are worldwide then that 500 number is probably close to being right. It would have to be a worldwide comparison since Allison, Karen, and Kelly are all foreign born also.
corvette1340 said:
I don't totally agree. Men complain all the time about women double dipping in the men's division and knocking them out and then playing in the women's division.
I have agreed about all the long run comments - EXCEPT for the one that started all this that a woman would NEVER win a 7 ahead set against a top 500 male player.
I want to tell you all something that Ralf Souquet told me once when I asked him about gambling vs. tournament play - this is what he said.
He said that in his opinion tournaments were much harder because there are no second chances against your opponent. He said that when you play in a tournament then you have to bring your A game each time no matter how you feel, who you are playing, what the table condition is and so on. And you have to do this for hours on end in back to back matches for days at a time to win a major event.
He said that when you gamble you get to settle in and figure your opponent out, figure the table out, get used to the conditions and so on. He said that you have as long as your money lasts to figure out how to win. But not so in tournaments.
So I agree that the men have the advantage in long sets right now. But I also feel that there is no absolute. Champions breed champions it's that simple. I think that any woman who can afford to get her ass kicked by Archer for a week and has any brains and talent at all will come away a much better player. Someone like Kelly who already beats the ghost doesn't have to improve her ball pocketing ability so she will learn Archer's patterns and safeties and other moves. So the first week she loses the majority of sets. Not all of them. The next week she wins more sets - and the following week more sets until she is doing everything that Johnny is capable of and they are about even.
But right now such opportunities either don't exist or the women aren't taking advantage of them.
I think that it's ludicrous to denounce a woman's victory or high placement in a tournament as just a fluke because "anyone can win a tournament match". Not true, not just anyone can win a tournament match against the top players in the world. But the top women players are capable of it and capable of going deep in men's tournaments.
Anyway, I will try to put myself in a position to promote the Kelly Fisher vs. Brian White match. The worst I can do is go broke and if I do then I can pump back up easily enough. The payoff however IF Kelly wins would be fantastic and that is incentive enough for me to try.
JB Cases said:
I really like JB's enthusiasm here. Regardless of the $$$ wager if they play, I would like to agree to pay for Kelly's case if she wins if you would agree to make one for myself if the match went Brian's way... some kind of inscription like "He even beat me out of my case". LOL
Neil said:
All I have to say about this is that there were definitely NOT 200 players at the world championships in Manilla who are better than Allison, Karen and Kelly. Out of the players were plenty of players who couldn't hold a candle to those three. Granted some countries just get to send a body whether that person can play or not.
iba7467 said:
lol, instant classic.
iba7467 said:
LOL -
I have lost cases a few times. How's this for knocking my own action?
I agree to play Ronnie Wiseman a race to eleven for $300 against one of my cases - even no spot. Basically I am just getting odds on the money. We do this in the Cue Club in Vegas and the rail is sweating the match.
Ronnie gives me the break and I run five racks out of the gate. Then I come up dry in the sixth and never see another makeable ball until the score is like 9:5 his way. He leaves me a medium distance straight in shot and I shoot it into the rubber a diamond away from the pocket. I lose 11:5.
A few days later I am trying to match up in the CC and ALL I hear is how I played Ronnie and I have to give up weight and yada yada yada. No one cared that I lost. All I heard about was the five pack I put on Ronnie.
Pool is a funny world.
JB Cases said:
That's basically the same way it would be if Kelly and Brian played. Kelly might have her spurts but Brian would get the cheese.