One more way to Play 9Ball
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People can't understand this game because there are NO "INTENTIONAL" mistakes in the game. The ONLY mistake is when you let the other player back to the table and give them CONTROL of the game. Until my TURN is over, I have made NO MISTAKES. And MY turn ISN'T over until AFTER I have pushed.
If I push out to EXACTLY where I intended to push to. is that a MISTAKE just because I may not have hit the object ball? There is WAY more LUCK involved in playing ALMOST ANY safe that gives BIH like one-foul than there is of a good player pushing out to what he considers "safe" for his opponent, but not "safe" for himself.
SO..to answer your question...NO is my FINAL answer.
A little over 10 years actually.
Sorry, but if you get out of line, then that's a mistake. I (and I'm sure others) wouldn't be a big fan of a game where their opponent could make such a mistake, and not be punished for it.
Plenty of other threads for you to go talk about 2F9B.
One final comment then I'll let you get back to your regularly scheduled programming.
What source are you using when you define "getting out of line" as a mistake? WHO determines what MY line is? If I make what you call a "mistake" by getting "out of line", then what do you call it if I RECOVER from that shot by making the ball? Is it still a mistake on whatever record book you are keeping?
Shots can ONLY be categorized as MISTAKES when your opponent takes advantage of the situation after you have relinquished your turn at the table. If I get out of line, push to a shot that either of us has the OPTION of shooting (with you getting the option of taking or passing) and then YOU decide to shoot and screw it up...WHO HAS MADE THE MISTAKE? ME or YOU?
I've ALREADY named a few BIG FANS of the game (CJ, Earl, Buddy, Keith, etc., etc.). Which fans are you talking about? Joe the barber or Katy the counter girl?
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That depends on what set of rules is being used.
• Sometimes (as at the DCC) 10-Ball is played under essentially Texas Express rules. Two-way shots are part of that game.
• WPA (World-Standardized) 10-Ball rules do not eliminate the most common form of two-way shot (shooting to make a ball but leaving the CB safe if the shot is missed). Tony Robles' Predator Tour rules (also used once at the SBE pro event) do eliminate this form of two-way shot.
• A second type of two-way shot is where you try to make either or both of two balls. E.g., the 5-ball is the lowest-numbered ball on the table and you try to make either the 5-ball or the 10-ball (which might be hanging near a pocket). Both the WPA rules and the Predator Tour rules require that you designate only one ball and one pocket, so they eliminate this less-frequent type of two-way shot.
Yes...so why would it ever be acceptable for the guy that played poor shape to be able to move the cb?
Nobody ever responds to the question: if pushout rule is good, why has it never appeared in any other game?
I like your ideas and this would be a good way to play 9 ball. Anything to take some of the luck out of 9 ball and put more skill into the game. I personally don't think a 9 ball on the break should win the game. If the 9 ball goes in it should be spotted and the breaker is still shooting after the 9 ball is spotted.
I play in a local 9 ball league and our matches are a "race to 9 winner breaks" and I can't remember how many "race to 9 games" matches I've lost due to lucky rolls and 9 balls made on the break. It's happened so many times I feel like bad luck has set in on me and honestly I'm not enjoying playing in the league like I used to. I played a match a couple of weeks ago against one of the best players in our league (he's a better player than I am, but I beat him the first time we played) and I won the flip for the first break. I started off strong and got out to a 6-3 lead going to 9 games. I was feeling good, but he got on a roll and won the next 3 games and then it was 6-6. From that point on in each of the last three games he got lucky and hid me by getting lucky rolls everytime I went to the table! It was so bad that he was laughing after winning 9-6 and said "James I'm sorry I just got lucky in those last 3 games!". I was playing well and after starting out 6-3 I lost 9-6 due to just plain unlucky rolls! If we were playing different rules to take some of the luck out of the game at least I would have had a chance and my opponent wouldn't have laughed and said "I got lucky in those last 3 games!". It's not fun for me to lose like that and if someone looked at the score sheet who didn't see the match it looks like I got beat by someone who out played me instead of the real truth where the loser lost because the winner got a bunch of lucky rolls!
I never understood it either.
For your second question. I think it only works well (to an extent) in rotation games, because there's only one ball on the table you can hit first.
So, I was in a tourney not long ago, race to 4, playing for shot at first, from losers side against a guy I think I would love to give the 7 to every day,
He makes a good out and then poops in 2 9s. 3-0
I work it back to 3-3, my break and the 9 hangs in the hole, nothing drops and he has an easy shot for the win. I lose
Sad story.
He makes a good out and then poops in 2 9s. 3-0
I work it back to 3-3, my break and the 9 hangs in the hole, nothing drops and he has an easy shot for the win. I lose
Sad story.
2 Foul Shoot Out Putts the "Frosting Back on the Cake" of 9 Ball
The most skillful and entertaining shot in pocket billiards is the "two way shot".....one foul takes this (for the most part) out of the game.....and if you have to call your "safeties" it takes the two way shot COMPLETELY out of the game.
Taking the best out of something is usually not prudent....pool's not exception, as usual, it's the "sample example".
There's no better rules for 9 or 10 ball than "Two Shot Shoot Out" (two foul 9 Ball), this is positively true no matter how it's positioned. Pocket billiard's strength is showcasing strategy and creative expression, to take this out is like taking the frosting off the cake....it's still cake, but who wants to eat it?
'The Game is my Teacher'
The most skillful and entertaining shot in pocket billiards is the "two way shot".....one foul takes this (for the most part) out of the game.....and if you have to call your "safeties" it takes the two way shot COMPLETELY out of the game.
Taking the best out of something is usually not prudent....pool's not exception, as usual, it's the "sample example".
There's no better rules for 9 or 10 ball than "Two Shot Shoot Out" (two foul 9 Ball), this is positively true no matter how it's positioned. Pocket billiard's strength is showcasing strategy and creative expression, to take this out is like taking the frosting off the cake....it's still cake, but who wants to eat it?
'The Game is my Teacher'
How does 1foul eliminate the 2 way shot??
In fact, it is push out that eliminates it. In this rule set, one cannot bank a ball and play shape behind the next, resulting in either a continued run or a safety.
Wrong is the teacher.
In fact, it is push out that eliminates it. In this rule set, one cannot bank a ball and play shape behind the next, resulting in either a continued run or a safety.
Wrong is the teacher.
2F9B DOESN'T "eliminate" the 2-way shot, but it NEGATES some of its EFFECTIVENESS.
If YOU shoot a 2-way shot, miss, and then tie me up somehow, I will "push" to WHEREVER I think I have the ADVANTAGE over YOU. That DOESN'T completely ensure that you won't take the shot back and shoot the same shot that I envisioned shooting should you decide to pass it back to ME. That shot should have been planned out in my mind BEFORE I pushed in the first place. YOU MAY also come up with an EVEN BETTER shot than I figured out.
THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE GAME! It pits the wits of players against each other. It is like the "bluffs" and "calls" in poker. I may push out to a shot KNOWING that I CAN'T control what happens after that, but I WILL KNOW what my next shot IS should you decide to give the shot to me. KNOWING what your next shot is beforehand is kind of like the old saying, "a bird in one hand is better than two in the bush".
A SMART players ALWAYS pushes to what "THEY" perceive to be a better shot than what they currently have. They also push to a spot where they think thay have an out and you don't have a clue (or less of a clue than they do). That ALLOWS you to hopefully somewhat maintain CONTROL of the situation even though you are faced with difficult circumstances.
I would conclude that since no ball in hand would result from the successfully safety, the 2way shot is eliminated.
I hear you and can understand the frustration that your discussion has failed to result in the intended dialog...but such is the nature of a dynamic discussion medium...
Once you hit submit, you lose control uh dat shit,
I don't like or dislike your game or your rules. The only points I was TRYING to interject were the DIFFERENCES between the games whenever posts concerning the two games seemd to err or contain a bit of confusion as to what each game entailed.
Sorry for any hijacking...that wasn't the intent.
If you have to call your safeties it eliminates the two way shot.
If you have to call your safeties it eliminates the two way shot.....because if you shoot at a pocket and get safe (if you miss) the player can make you shoot again.
In 2 foul, the two way shot is played on a regular basis, if anyone's played it they'd know.
If you have to call your safeties it eliminates the two way shot.....because if you shoot at a pocket and get safe (if you miss) the player can make you shoot again.
In 2 foul, the two way shot is played on a regular basis, if anyone's played it they'd know.