One or two shots

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Hi all. I've got a kind of far fetched idea that I'm considering to develop for the purpose of (for lack of better words) a unique training concept.

I'd like your help if you have a moment to contribute. I believe that among the many reasons our runs stop short, one major reason is being confronted with specific shots that we find difficult to execute.

The shots I'm interested in are shots that come up over and over again during the course of a 14.1 game. Of course there are tons of difficult shots that we miss while playing, but again, I'm speaking of certain shots that are common in the game and that for each of us uniquely we have trouble with.

These may be common shots that require specific position to be played from them or they may simply be the shots that are uncomfortable.

If anyone has the time to lay out ONLY one or two of the most missed shots they encounter, I'd like to see the results.

Two examples follow ...

CueTable Help




These are merely examples, but if indeed you have one or two shots that immediately come to mind as "stopper" shots for you, or low percentage shots for you that are very common in the game, I'd love to see some of them.

thanks.
 
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3andstop said:
Thanks Jeff, this is exactly the kind to thing I'm interested in. :)
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Well, as you've seen, I have plenty more that I have trouble with, but some are especially disruptive to my intended 527-ball runs.
 
Well Jeff, by the overwhelming response it would seem that either no one plays enough 14.1 to run across common problem shots for them, or else no one else but you and I miss. :)
 
I find this very interesting. I could give you quite a few examples with explanations but I don't know how to use the cue-table. I have tried but haven't yet succeeded.

Dave(sub-banger)Nelson
 
Dave, no one struggles with the cuetable program more than me LOL ... but I've gotten the basics down (although I don't know if I'm orthodox in it's use)

I can only tell ya how I do it. If you look at this link ...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=64559

Under number 1 there is a link to the editor, click on "cue table editor" to go to it.The picture just under the link shows an icon on the table called "URL"

Once you position the balls the way you want, click on that icon. It will "copy" the layout to your windows clipboard.

I then go back to AZ and start typing my reply, when I get to where I'd like to place the layout, I simply click on the blue rectangular box above the message area that says "wei".

This places two wei markers in your message. Your cursor will automatically be in between the markers. Before you do anything else, simply right click your mouse, and select "paste" This puts the layout link right in between the wei markers where it belongs and you should be all done.

(NOTE) The cuetable instructions differ slightly from how I insert the link. they suggest pasting the link, then highlighting it, and lastly click on the WEI icon above the message area. I find this very frustrating in that I can't seem to highlight the pasted link easily. The way I suggest is much easier for me anyway. :)

If you want to make multiple pages in your layout be sure to click the wrench Icon on the cuetable graphic (bottom left) and it will expose all editing options including a "plus" sign which adds a page. Once the page is added, edit your layout for that page, and then once again, when done click on the "URL" and then be prepared to paste it between the WEI markers after clicking the icon in your message screen.
 
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3andstop

Thanks, I printed it out and try some more. I had got as far as clicking on the url and I assume it went somewhere, I just havent found that somewhere yet.

Dave
 
Dave, this is generically a confusing thing regardless of what program you are dealing with.

Microsoft Windows uses a small program that runs quietly in the background that you never see. Its always available however. It is called "CLIPBOARD"

When you select copy anytime in any program, Microsoft Windows says .. "the user of this computer wants me to save this in my memory."

So that is what Microsoft Windows does with the "copy". It remains there for as long as you are using your computer, quietly in memory and out of sight.

The only thing that would remove it from its storage in memory is, if you shut off your computer, or ..... if you selected the "copy" command again while it was being stored. If you did that, Microsoft Windows would "overwrite" what it was saving with what you most recently clicked "copy" on.

Selecting "paste" will place the stored selection where ever your cursor happens to be at the time you select "paste".

In fact, selecting paste will merely put a copy of the copy where your cursor is :) there still remains that same copy in memory to be copied in other places should you choose to. (perhaps useful information when using the copy and paste in some other application.) :)


This copy and paste feature of the Windows operating system is more apparent while using a single program and copying from one line to another, but the copy and paste command in Windows OS, works between programs also.

This is what is happening between the WEI cuetable program and the AZ Billiards forum program.

Hope this isn't more confusing. :) just know that when you click copy, or in this case .... the URL icon which is programmed to "call up" the copy command in Windows, that is what happens.
 
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Here's another one that's hit or miss with me. I find that speed and spin are intimately linked on this shot, and if one is off I miss the stack. I could be playing it wrong. I usually hit high with a bit of left.

CueTable Help

 
bluepepper said:
Here's another one that's hit or miss with me. I find that speed and spin are intimately linked on this shot, and if one is off I miss the stack. I could be playing it wrong. I usually hit high with a bit of left.

CueTable Help

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Jeff: I usually would not use left on this. I have even been known to use a touch of right to cut down on the angle coming off the second rail.
 
3andstop said:
Hi all. I've got a kind of far fetched idea that I'm considering to develop for the purpose of (for lack of better words) a unique training concept.

I'd like your help if you have a moment to contribute. I believe that among the many reasons our runs stop short, one major reason is being confronted with specific shots that we find difficult to execute.

The shots I'm interested in are shots that come up over and over again during the course of a 14.1 game. Of course there are tons of difficult shots that we miss while playing, but again, I'm speaking of certain shots that are common in the game and that for each of us uniquely we have trouble with.

These may be common shots that require specific position to be played from them or they may simply be the shots that are uncomfortable.

If anyone has the time to lay out ONLY one or two of the most missed shots they encounter, I'd like to see the results.



These are merely examples, but if indeed you have one or two shots that immediately come to mind as "stopper" shots for you, or low percentage shots for you that are very common in the game, I'd love to see some of them.

thanks.
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These are both good ones that come up a lot and it is probably smart to practice them and be comfortable with them.
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There are also the uptable shots from down behind the rack after a safety battle.

I have some donuts on my table and there are a lot of shots I practice that come up in 14.1.

Cue ball near the side pocket object ball near the side of the rack. Get comfortable with that extreme cut. Shoot Make it fifteen times. Try to get at least three in a row.

Then cue ball in the kitchen. Same shot 15 times.

CueTable Help

 
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dmgwalsh said:
Jeff: I usually would not use left on this. I have even been known to use a touch of right to cut down on the angle coming off the second rail.
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Yes, this is definitely a reverse english play. The blend is the the speed and amount of reverse (as they inter-play).
 
3andstop said:
Thanks Jeff, this is exactly the kind to thing I'm interested in. :)
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I like the general idea - and I certainly don't want to be agument guy,
but the problem I see is these are dificult shots to make and
not just uncomfortable for a few individuals.

IMHO you can't change the fact that you are going to miss tough
shots most of the time.

Dale
 
Last ball in pack

You need to get behind the ball that will spot. You shoot it in the side pocket and follow the cue into the pack. Lots more control and less power needed to smash the pack and the chance of scratching is very unlikely with a good angle. The shot looks alot harder than it is. On a Diamond table good luck!
Nick :)
 
pdcue said:
I like the general idea - and I certainly don't want to be agument guy,
but the problem I see is these are dificult shots to make and
not just uncomfortable for a few individuals.

IMHO you can't change the fact that you are going to miss tough
shots most of the time.

Dale
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Yes Dale, you are certainly correct. :) However, I'm currently interested in seeing what interests the folks in terms of the shots that come to their individual minds for a specific reason.

The product of this very scientific research :idea2: ( if it ends up being doable) will be a totally unique way training and learning / being comfortable, with making shots.
 
Dave Nelson said:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ADwV4PHPw@

This is what I get.

Have to go shoot pool now. Dig ya latter.

Dave
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Hi Dave:

You are not far from it now :)

1, If you click on this button
wei.gif
in you AZ post editor, you wil get something like this in your post (note: there will be no space between "WEI" andn the sq brackets "[" or "]"):

[ WEI][/WEI ]

2, Then, paste your CueTable URL code directly right in the middle of WEI tags, it will look like this:

[ WEI]http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ADwV4PHPw@[/WEI ]

3, Submit your post, and you will see the layout being displayed by the forum software.

CueTable Help




Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or suggestions. :)

You can use the Test Area to try it out a few times...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8
 
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