One Pocket Break and Run

[Cameron Smith]

Does it ever happen in competition? I ask because I was playing a friend of mine some one pocket a few days ago. He has never played before, so in order to show him the basics of the game I broke a little harder to spread the balls a bit and by pass the opening safety play. I made a ball in my pocket and ran the next 7 and out. I think he got the idea .

Anyways has anyone ever done this? You could practice run outs this way and play the ghost.

P.S. I am not advocating hard breaking in actual competition, I am well aware that this is a travesty.

 

[StevenPWaldon]

If you watch the Derby City Classic match between Scott Frost and Dee Adkins (2004?) this happens. There are no break-and-runs, but making a ball on the break was pretty standard and Adkins broke and ran 7 on one rack.

 

[sixpack]

Does it ever happen in competition? I ask because I was playing a friend of mine some one pocket a few days ago. He has never played before, so in order to show him the basics of the game I broke a little harder to spread the balls a bit and by pass the opening safety play. I made a ball in my pocket and ran the next 7 and out. I think he got the idea .

Anyways has anyone ever done this? You could practice run outs this way and play the ghost.

P.S. I am not advocating hard breaking in actual competition, I am well aware that this is a travesty.

Saw Dick Lane Break & Run, Run from opponents break and then Break & Run 7 and play safe with a ball near his pocket, then make the final ball to win the race to 3 finals of a 1-pocket tourney in San Antonio once. Best 1p I've seen.

Cheers,
RC

 

[StormHotRod300]

Ok, last week i played my first game of one pocket, and while my friend was telling me the rules, and about how you should break.

Well i have heard about some pro's who take a unusual approach to the game and plays very offensively. And do make break n runs. I heard about Orcollo beating a guy in like 10mins during a tournament in 1pocket.

I mean WTF thats fast as hell.

I mean i know a couple of racks that i played, lasted a good 20-30minutes.

 

[ironman]

Saw Dick Lane Break & Run, Run from opponents break and then Break & Run 7 and play safe with a ball near his pocket, then make the final ball to win the race to 3 finals of a 1-pocket tourney in San Antonio once. Best 1p I've seen.

Cheers,
RC

In San Antonio about two years ago ( with several witnesses) Cliff Joyner was spotting this fellow 14-4 for about $400 per game.
Cliff took 3 consecutive, intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The next game, Cliff took 3 intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The 3 rd game Cliff broke, made a ball on the break, and ranout.
Cliff continued to win 2 more games at which I don't think his opponet ever even glanced at his own pocket. It was painful to watch.

 

[1pRoscoe]

I've done it a handful of times, but I've seen Scott Frost, Gabe Owen, and Cliff Joyner do it many times both in tournament play and gambling....

 

[sixpack]

In San Antonio about two years ago ( with several witnesses) Cliff Joyner was spotting this fellow 14-4 for about $400 per game.
Cliff took 3 consecutive, intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The next game, Cliff took 3 intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The 3 rd game Cliff broke, made a ball on the break, and ranout.
Cliff continued to win 2 more games at which I don't think his opponet ever even glanced at his own pocket. It was painful to watch.

I would have loved to see that.

It reminds me of a question I have about 1P...When you need more balls than are left on the table. i.e. in the above case, he owes 17 and obviously there aren't 17 on the table. If you're running out, when do the balls you owe get spotted up?

I'm new to the game and have never seen it.

Thanks!
RC

 

[StormHotRod300]

I was also told that you can break as soft or hard as you want aslong as two balls hit the rail, and that breaking hard if you make a ball in your pocket, helps but if you come up dry, your FUKKED!!!!!

dave

 

[nfty9er]

Thats odd

In San Antonio about two years ago ( with several witnesses) Cliff Joyner was spotting this fellow 14-4 for about $400 per game.
Cliff took 3 consecutive, intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The next game, Cliff took 3 intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The 3 rd game Cliff broke, made a ball on the break, and ranout.
Cliff continued to win 2 more games at which I don't think his opponet ever even glanced at his own pocket. It was painful to watch.

I find that odd because usually all gamblers play 3 fouls loss of game.
That is also in the official rules of 1p posted at onepocket.org
Not saying though that Cliff may have had a stipulation that he could do that.
So you are also saying cliff ran 15, spotted 5 balls , then banked in one or maybe two or broke up the remaining balls and made his 17th, and he did this twice? Now that is something.

 

[nfty9er]

Needing 17 is unique

I would have loved to see that.

It reminds me of a question I have about 1P...When you need more balls than are left on the table. i.e. in the above case, he owes 17 and obviously there aren't 17 on the table. If you're running out, when do the balls you owe get spotted up?

I'm new to the game and have never seen it.

Thanks!
RC

However you would spot owed balls up after you pocketed the final ball on the table, but in this unusal case I would say you would have to spot 5 balls up otherwise your opponent could not win since he needs 4 and he could never get out unless his opponent scratched twice. I cannot say I have ever seen that situation in over 50 years of playing.

 

[nfty9er]

Break and runs are very common

Does it ever happen in competition? I ask because I was playing a friend of mine some one pocket a few days ago. He has never played before, so in order to show him the basics of the game I broke a little harder to spread the balls a bit and by pass the opening safety play. I made a ball in my pocket and ran the next 7 and out. I think he got the idea .

Anyways has anyone ever done this? You could practice run outs this way and play the ghost.

P.S. I am not advocating hard breaking in actual competition, I am well aware that this is a travesty.

The real good players do it all the time. It is not uncommon and with the standard break. I have done it too many times to count in 50 years and my good practice partner does it almost once a day. Once he ran out on me, broke the balls and ran out again, so I let him break again just to see what might happen and he broke and made a ball again and ran again for a 24 ball run. Yes I let him try breaking again but he came up dry. I fixed the rack. LOL>

 

[nfty9er]

Yeh you are new to the game

Ok, last week i played my first game of one pocket, and while my friend was telling me the rules, and about how you should break.

Well i have heard about some pro's who take a unusual approach to the game and plays very offensively. And do make break n runs. I heard about Orcollo beating a guy in like 10mins during a tournament in 1pocket.

I mean WTF thats fast as hell.

I mean i know a couple of racks that i played, lasted a good 20-30minutes.

There are a lot of offensive minded players out there now, one of which is Tony Chohan, he can run out before you sit down. I have seen him win not one game but whole matches in 10 minutes. In the old days Ronnie (Fast Eddy) Allen could beat you in about a heartbeat and a half.

 

[ironman]

I find that odd because usually all gamblers play 3 fouls loss of game.
That is also in the official rules of 1p posted at onepocket.org
Not saying though that Cliff may have had a stipulation that he could do that.
So you are also saying cliff ran 15, spotted 5 balls , then banked in one or maybe two or broke up the remaining balls and made his 17th, and he did this twice? Now that is something.

Anybody who plays 3 consecutive fouls and gives uup 14-4 would need his head examined.
That was one of the stipulations as in most matches when this much weight is involved.

 

[gulfportdoc]

In San Antonio about two years ago ( with several witnesses) Cliff Joyner was spotting this fellow 14-4 for about $400 per game.
Cliff took 3 consecutive, intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The next game, Cliff took 3 intentional fouls, and then ran 17 and out.
The 3 rd game Cliff broke, made a ball on the break, and ranout.
Cliff continued to win 2 more games at which I don't think his opponet ever even glanced at his own pocket. It was painful to watch.

Unless they agreed in advance, 3 consecutive fouls is loss of game. Even so, the story has the earmarks of an urban legend...

Doc

 

[ironman]

Unless they agreed in advance, 3 consecutive fouls is loss of game. Even so, the story has the earmarks of an urban legend...

Doc

It was agreed on and one of the sidebetters just reminded me that Cliff ran 17 and out 3 times during the match.
Granted, it was on a pretty soft table, but still, quite a show. The poor victim has not been in the pool room since.

 

[Cameron Smith]

The real good players do it all the time. It is not uncommon and with the standard break. I have done it too many times to count in 50 years and my good practice partner does it almost once a day. Once he ran out on me, broke the balls and ran out again, so I let him break again just to see what might happen and he broke and made a ball again and ran again for a 24 ball run. Yes I let him try breaking again but he came up dry. I fixed the rack. LOL>

LOL that's great.

I'm gonna start buying some 1p videos from accu-stats, I want to learn to play. Right now I am only any good if the balls are spread.

 

[nfty9er]

If you can

It was agreed on and one of the sidebetters just reminded me that Cliff ran 17 and out 3 times during the match.
Granted, it was on a pretty soft table, but still, quite a show. The poor victim has not been in the pool room since.

It still would be interesting to know, how he made the last 2 balls. Twice.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Does it ever happen in competition? ....

One of the stories in "Great Pool Stories" is about a runout from the break at one pocket. The story was science fiction, believe it or not. As others have mentioned, it's not uncommon in play. I've heard that a thinner than usual hit on the head ball is required on the break. Of course, the rack needs to be just right, or there's no hope.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I find that odd because usually all gamblers play 3 fouls loss of game....

Not traditionally at one pocket, so far as I know. At nine ball around here, 3 fouls is usually not played in private matches except by agreement beforehand.

 

[Cory in DC]

Does it ever happen in competition? I ask because I was playing a friend of mine some one pocket a few days ago. He has never played before, so in order to show him the basics of the game I broke a little harder to spread the balls a bit and by pass the opening safety play. I made a ball in my pocket and ran the next 7 and out. I think he got the idea .

Anyways has anyone ever done this? You could practice run outs this way and play the ghost.

P.S. I am not advocating hard breaking in actual competition, I am well aware that this is a travesty.

It's rare but not all that uncommon. I think a ball goes on the break as much as 10% of the time (more if you're playing against me, it seems). Of those times you just need to get a clear break shot or have a dead ball in the stack and you've got a chance to run out.

I broke and ran 8 once, but I was giving my opponent 10-8, so it wasn't an instant win. But I still consider it a 1P break and run. I'm a mediocre player who has probably played several thousand racks of one pocket, so I guess the odds are around .0003 for me.

Cory