One Pocket: Filler vs Shuff

Brandon is a strong semi-pro player who has devoted endless hours and travel around the country pursuing mastery of this game we all love. Unfortunately in our sport there is only room at the top for a very small few, and for many reasons most players are left by the wayside. Partly it is because the new breed start younger, practice with more discipline, and have better examples of how top play should look.

I think this thread is a bit hard on him. So he isn't cashing in international events lately. Well, it is such a negative return for a player around that speed to spend a week and a few thousand dollars to play against the Fillers and Changs I can't really blame him. I'd bet that if he was winning 1-2 local tournaments a month and making money in his local pool rooms playing $50 sets and $30 one pocket he'd take a shot, but let me bring you up to speed. Probably no one local wants to play him anymore, he's kicked out of all of the <699FR tournaments (or has to give up prohibitive handicaps elsewhere), and he probably hasn't won anything in his own state border for a few years. So without any cash flow coming in from his regional play, he probably doesn't have the surplus funds to fire at the international events, nor the confidence of having just won a bunch of tournaments.

So now after the game evolves past him at the higher levels and everyone at the lower levels won't come near him with a nickel, he's finally beaten down, realizes that his pool path doesn't lead much further, and while he still probably loves the game and plays now and again, he's no longer going to fight the universe on this one.

Listen, there is no disrespect in an objective conversation about where someone's game is rated, as long as the tone is right. If we are just debating how strong he played one pocket that is fine with me. But I was starting to feel that he was being diminished, disrespected, and eye rolled a little. Maybe I took something wrong. But this road we're on is a super hard one and while it's true no one forced him to pick this path, I have a lot of compassion for those who gave their all. He's a pool player, one of us. He never claimed to be the greatest in the world, just someone trying their best along the path we all share.
 
So now after the game evolves past him at the higher levels and everyone at the lower levels won't come near him with a nickel, he's finally beaten down, realizes that his pool path doesn't lead much further, and while he still probably loves the game and plays now and again, he's no longer going to fight the universe on this one.

Listen, there is no disrespect in an objective conversation about where someone's game is rated, as long as the tone is right. If we are just debating how strong he played one pocket that is fine with me. But I was starting to feel that he was being diminished, disrespected, and eye rolled a little. Maybe I took something wrong. But this road we're on is a super hard one and while it's true no one forced him to pick this path, I have a lot of compassion for those who gave their all. He's a pool player, one of us. He never claimed to be the greatest in the world, just someone trying their best along the path we all share.

hey tinny, you obviously didn't mean it
in fact, maybe it just proves your point
but to say about brandon
"he's beaten down, and no longer going to fight" reads harsh to me:embarrassed2:
I mean, if he just jumped in with no less than killer filler
I'm not sure I'd say he's done fighting
even if he did get beat pretty good
anyway, what you say is true
life eventually squeezes the juice out of us all..
smoke 'em if you got 'em
 
respect

hey tinny, you obviously didn't mean it
in fact, maybe it just proves your point
but to say about brandon
"he's beaten down, and no longer going to fight" reads harsh to me:embarrassed2:
I mean, if he just jumped in with no less than killer filler
I'm not sure I'd say he's done fighting
even if he did get beat pretty good
anyway, what you say is true
life eventually squeezes the juice out of us all..
smoke 'em if you got 'em

You misunderstood me evergruven. My entire post was all about paying respect to Brandon. Nothing harsh about it.

What I said was he wasn't interested in fighting the universe. I'm not saying he doesn't love a good challenge on the table. What I am saying is that pool doesn't offer much of a path for most pro players, and after fighting to make his path for 10-20 years eventually you get tired and accept there isn't much earthly reward for playing pool.

I will admit much of the narrative I created around Brandon was speculation. I don't know how much regional action he's getting or where he's at with his commitment to continuing to play pro events. But this is a common story shared by many. Some like Robb Saez find a way to battle on, they'll never quit even if they are in a bad game. Many, many others quit playing and you don't know their names because they're running hundreds in their basement at home, and every time they see a US Open come and go they grieve that they couldn't line it up to where they could be out there playing along side of the best. Lot of heartbreak in this game at the higher levels, and my point was we should give credit to those who are fighting the good fight.
 
I was trying to rank who I think are the top 10 one pocket players, and could only come up with a definitive 8.

Who would round out the top 10? Do we still consider Efren to be top 10?

What are Filler's chances in a long race against any of the players listed below?

Alex P
Dennis
Bustamante
Justin Hall
Chohan
Shane
Corey
Thorpe

I think josh roberts and scott frost are in that group...i don,t think scott is scared to play half these guys.
 
filler just shoots too good for most anyone to beat him. shuff shoots like a sub top pro player and doesnt move very well for a player his speed. by move i dont mean miss the shot but he picks the wrong shots and doesnt know how to look ahead in the game.

filler needs a lot more experience as he plays just for the shots and misses the right the moves but makes up for a lot of that with his shot making and perfect cue ball.

i was astounded at some of the moves that they both didnt know.
but at the highest level pocketing tough shots and running balls determines the winners.
 
Filler hasn't mastered the art. I liked the way Efren took down Emmons a few years ago. Won the first set but kept it close. Adjusted the spot and raised the bet - kept it close. Raised the bet and won the third set.

Filler runs over the guy with a dump truck.
 
Brandon is a strong semi-pro player who has devoted endless hours and travel around the country pursuing mastery of this game we all love. Unfortunately in our sport there is only room at the top for a very small few, and for many reasons most players are left by the wayside. Partly it is because the new breed start younger, practice with more discipline, and have better examples of how top play should look.

I think this thread is a bit hard on him. So he isn't cashing in international events lately. Well, it is such a negative return for a player around that speed to spend a week and a few thousand dollars to play against the Fillers and Changs I can't really blame him. I'd bet that if he was winning 1-2 local tournaments a month and making money in his local pool rooms playing $50 sets and $30 one pocket he'd take a shot, but let me bring you up to speed. Probably no one local wants to play him anymore, he's kicked out of all of the <699FR tournaments (or has to give up prohibitive handicaps elsewhere), and he probably hasn't won anything in his own state border for a few years. So without any cash flow coming in from his regional play, he probably doesn't have the surplus funds to fire at the international events, nor the confidence of having just won a bunch of tournaments.

So now after the game evolves past him at the higher levels and everyone at the lower levels won't come near him with a nickel, he's finally beaten down, realizes that his pool path doesn't lead much further, and while he still probably loves the game and plays now and again, he's no longer going to fight the universe on this one.

Listen, there is no disrespect in an objective conversation about where someone's game is rated, as long as the tone is right. If we are just debating how strong he played one pocket that is fine with me. But I was starting to feel that he was being diminished, disrespected, and eye rolled a little. Maybe I took something wrong. But this road we're on is a super hard one and while it's true no one forced him to pick this path, I have a lot of compassion for those who gave their all. He's a pool player, one of us. He never claimed to be the greatest in the world, just someone trying their best along the path we all share.


Well, in my post bringing up the fact he hasn't placed well in tourneys in a good while was meant to point out the fact he isn't in the top shape of his game lately. Nothing derogatory was implied and it sucks if it came across that way. I met Brandon in 2011 at Q Masters and have been of fan of him since, still am. I guess my laziness in my reply let you think I was being disrespectful. Well I wasn't, I was really only saying he was in over his head on this one. Hopefully that clears that up.
 
You misunderstood me evergruven. My entire post was all about paying respect to Brandon. Nothing harsh about it.

What I said was he wasn't interested in fighting the universe. I'm not saying he doesn't love a good challenge on the table. What I am saying is that pool doesn't offer much of a path for most pro players, and after fighting to make his path for 10-20 years eventually you get tired and accept there isn't much earthly reward for playing pool.

I will admit much of the narrative I created around Brandon was speculation. I don't know how much regional action he's getting or where he's at with his commitment to continuing to play pro events. But this is a common story shared by many. Some like Robb Saez find a way to battle on, they'll never quit even if they are in a bad game. Many, many others quit playing and you don't know their names because they're running hundreds in their basement at home, and every time they see a US Open come and go they grieve that they couldn't line it up to where they could be out there playing along side of the best. Lot of heartbreak in this game at the higher levels, and my point was we should give credit to those who are fighting the good fight.

I got cha..I was just referring to this part:

"So now after the game evolves past him at the higher levels and everyone at the lower levels won't come near him with a nickel, he's finally beaten down, realizes that his pool path doesn't lead much further, and while he still probably loves the game and plays now and again, he's no longer going to fight the universe on this one."

and I know you didn't intend it as harsh..I know you intended just the opposite
I got that..I just found the above section ironic, considering what else you wrote
just a quick hit no big deal..honestly, it only stuck out to me *because* the takeway is:

"Lot of heartbreak in this game at the higher levels, and my point was we should give credit to those who are fighting the good fight."

hope you don't feel like I was trying to detract from that msg..
words just get me frisky sometimes :)

thanks for giving credit where credit's due. I mean that.
 
all good

Well, in my post bringing up the fact he hasn't placed well in tourneys in a good while was meant to point out the fact he isn't in the top shape of his game lately. Nothing derogatory was implied and it sucks if it came across that way. I met Brandon in 2011 at Q Masters and have been of fan of him since, still am. I guess my laziness in my reply let you think I was being disrespectful. Well I wasn't, I was really only saying he was in over his head on this one. Hopefully that clears that up.

We're all good. Nothing was said over the line, I don't recall what even made me feel that Brandon was getting picked on a little. Just goes to show online posts are easy to misunderstand when my post itself was interpreted as critical of him. No big deal. He's a heck of a player. One pocket is a funny game where it can get one sided.
 
hey tinny, you obviously didn't mean it
in fact, maybe it just proves your point
but to say about brandon
"he's beaten down, and no longer going to fight" reads harsh to me:embarrassed2:
I mean, if he just jumped in with no less than killer filler
I'm not sure I'd say he's done fighting
even if he did get beat pretty good
anyway, what you say is true
life eventually squeezes the juice out of us all..
smoke 'em if you got 'em

One thing that hasn't even been mentioned is that Brandon has also invested time, effort and money in becoming a PBIA Instructor. Like Demi, Brandon may realize that the better, more consistent revenue stream is in quality instruction, instead of chasing tournament money or gambling games, and God knows we need a lot more qualified instructors.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director,, SPF National Pool School Tour
By by
 
One thing that hasn't even been mentioned is that Brandon has also invested time, effort and money in becoming a PBIA Instructor. Like Demi, Brandon may realize that the better, more consistent revenue stream is in quality instruction, instead of chasing tournament money or gambling games, and God knows we need a lot more qualified instructors.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director,, SPF National Pool School Tour
By by

that's pretty cool
money good for him
teaching good for us:thumbup:
 
Filler hasn't mastered the art. I liked the way Efren took down Emmons a few years ago. Won the first set but kept it close. Adjusted the spot and raised the bet - kept it close. Raised the bet and won the third set.

Filler runs over the guy with a dump truck.
There was no dump in that truck.
 
I said by game 3 or so in the chat that Shuff was in tough to get 6 and some guy named Chris Grindh Jumped on me saying 'Oh yeah, you wanna give me 8 games on the wire' and a few of his idiot pals liked his post. I told him I don't bet with people i dont know. Anyway it seems i overestimated Shuff's game but what i really want to know if anyone knows if this guy is a member here. I need a steady income.Thanks

Plenty of guys online that know NOTHING about the game, too bad there isn't somebody to post with.
 
I think josh roberts and scott frost are in that group...i don,t think scott is scared to play half these guys.

I'd favor Roberto Gomez. also missing from BeiberLvr's list, over either of them.
 
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I'd favor Roberto Gomez. also missing from BeiberLvr's list, over either of them.

Roberto beat Josh in a one pocket race to 24 back in October. He came back late to win 24-22.

I’d like to see Frost/Gomez. I’d give the edge to Scott.
 
Joshua thanked Tom Wirth for his book....he had it open at the table in Roy’s Basement.

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Maybe I should ask for a refund - I bought that book and I don't play 1 hole anywhere near as good as Filler - LOL

BTW, if you are going to take up 1 hole or for that matter are already a 1 hole player, this is a GREAT book and video set
 
Roberto beat Josh in a one pocket race to 24 back in October. He came back late to win 24-22.

I’d like to see Frost/Gomez. I’d give the edge to Scott.

Gomez is the fastest improving one pocket player in the world. He has two top five finishes in a row at the Derby City 1-pocket event. That makes him elite in my books. I like Gomez over Frost, but I agree it would be one hell of a matchup for the fans.
 
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