One pocket pickle

jrhendy said:
Shoot the five into the 7 and move them both out, sticking the cue ball where the 5 is below the 13.

It will get you out of this one, but it could get worse later on. I do not see an agressive shot to get a ball on your side. John
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I was thinkiing the exact same thing with the exception of using natural roll to move forward a little, except that now I think about it, the thirteen would prevent a cut on the four so I like your idea better.
 
yeah ....

1 Pocket Ghost said:
First of all, this is a tough spot.....That said, with all due respect to John Hendy, his shot, that a lot of you like, looks no good to me, because >>> As the balls are laid out here, the 5 looks like it will carom off of the 7 and into the 4, selling out...and if you carom the 7 too full, it clips the 10, selling out...and if you manage to have the 5 clip the 7 thin enough for it to squeeze through and miss the 4, then it hits the 3, selling out.

I only see one viable shot here, and it's the shot that I would shoot - if you're playing on a table that you know well, so that you've got your rail familiarity and table speed down, it shouldn't be that hard to execute - you'll have about a 6" margin of error speed-wise....

I'm taking a scratch by lagging 2 rails, short rail and then long rail, passing behind the 9 (just gotta watch out for that side pocket), having the cue ball end up on the top rail between the 7 and the 10, and there's also the possibility of softly clipping the bottom side of the 7 for a legal safety....The beauty of the shot is not only do you escape the trap, but you've got your very valuable 14 ball protected/hidden from him also.
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These reasons are why at first I liked hitting the five into the seven but rolling the CB forward to prevent the possibility of selling out except that it leaves a possible bank on the thirteen maybe??? I don't remember the exat layout....
 
I like jrs shot; but don't let him hit the 14 or he can come off the edge of it and put you in the stack. Second option, cue ball on middle diamond of short rail.
 
I don't play one hole, at least very well !! My first thought is this shot, please let me know why this shot would or wouldn't work.

I would try to thin the left side of the 14 ball and lock the cue ball up on the 1 and the 8. Moving the 14 up by the side pocket. A bit of a touch shot, but looks do-able to me.

Thanks,

Russ...
 
i like nicking the 12 ball, then hitting the 2 ball as full as possible bringing the cue ball near my opponents pocket. slightly elevated cue.
 
poolhustler said:
I don't play one hole, at least very well !! My first thought is this shot, please let me know why this shot would or wouldn't work.

I would try to thin the left side of the 14 ball and lock the cue ball up on the 1 and the 8. Moving the 14 up by the side pocket. A bit of a touch shot, but looks do-able to me.

Thanks,

Russ...
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From what I've been taught, the area around the side pocket on your side (whichever that may be) is a terrible place to leave a ball. The reasoning is that you take away long rail bank opportunities by creating a blocker ball. My understanding is that the sooner you get balls away from the areas around the side pocket on your side of the table, the better. When a free shot presents itself, you don't want a blocker impeding the path. This is one of the few disadvantages to breaking. The head ball always heads for the side pocket and blocks your long rail banks.

Secondly, the 14 ball is really the only ball on your side of the table. You generally don't want to push those balls away from your hole. If you pushed a ball up close to the side on your side of the table, I probably wouldn't move it.

I hope this makes sense. It's 3 a.m.:o
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
I'm taking a scratch by lagging 2 rails, short rail and then long rail, passing behind the 9 (just gotta watch out for that side pocket), having the cue ball end up on the top rail between the 7 and the 10, and there's also the possibility of softly clipping the bottom side of the 7 for a legal safety....The beauty of the shot is not only do you escape the trap, but you've got your very valuable 14 ball protected/hidden from him also.
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Great shot...I used to think and execute one pocket that well in my pre-marriage & pre-golf days.

But let's imagine the 5 doesn't get a kiss after hitting the seven, it would be a pretty easy shot that stands a good chance of rearranging the furniture in a more favorable position than what they are in the scenario.
 
fan-tum said:
Now that I consider your solution, I like your's better. But how many times have we tried to play the 5 into the seven, get a weird kiss, and he runs 4 or 5 or worse. A good asset for a one pocket player is a good memory of past disasters.
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This would depend on your skills but that is what I see right away...shoot the 5 into the 7 into the rail moving them up table...use the 13 to hold the CB to the end rail...maybe roll it up closer to his pocket to take out the cut on the 4....
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
First of all, this is a tough spot.....That said, with all due respect to John Hendy, his shot, that a lot of you like, looks no good to me, because >>> As the balls are laid out here, the 5 looks like it will carom off of the 7 and into the 4, selling out...and if you carom the 7 too full, it clips the 10, selling out...and if you manage to have the 5 clip the 7 thin enough for it to squeeze through and miss the 4, then it hits the 3, selling out.

I only see one viable shot here, and it's the shot that I would shoot - if you're playing on a table that you know well, so that you've got your rail familiarity and table speed down, it shouldn't be that hard to execute - you'll have about a 6" margin of error speed-wise....

I'm taking a scratch by lagging 2 rails, short rail and then long rail, passing behind the 9 (just gotta watch out for that side pocket), having the cue ball end up on the top rail between the 7 and the 10, and there's also the possibility of softly clipping the bottom side of the 7 for a legal safety....The beauty of the shot is not only do you escape the trap, but you've got your very valuable 14 ball protected/hidden from him also.
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I like this shot after looking it over. You could also kick one rail if you felt more comfortable with that shot. You might even clip the 3 or 7 and save a scratch. BUT, like you said, IF you are playing on a table you are familiar with the speed. That is the great thing about one pocket. There are usually different options. Unfortunately, you don't have all the time in the world to scrutanize the shot and being at the table is different from looking at a picture. I probably would shoot my first choice and almost NEVER leave a shot because the cue would be stuck on the 13 ball. The balls I moved would also be cluttering up the hole for a safety down table later on. I know you are considered to be a good mover. Hopefully we will run into each other somewhere down the road and test our theories for a little cash. Win or lose, I know I would enjoy it and possibly learn something. John
 
jrhendy said:
I like this shot after looking it over. You could also kick one rail if you felt more comfortable with that shot. You might even clip the 3 or 7 and save a scratch. BUT, like you said, IF you are playing on a table you are familiar with the speed. That is the great thing about one pocket. There are usually different options. Unfortunately, you don't have all the time in the world to scrutanize the shot and being at the table is different from looking at a picture. I probably would shoot my first choice and almost NEVER leave a shot because the cue would be stuck on the 13 ball. The balls I moved would also be cluttering up the hole for a safety down table later on. I know you are considered to be a good mover. Hopefully we will run into each other somewhere down the road and test our theories for a little cash. Win or lose, I know I would enjoy it and possibly learn something. John
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John.....Glad you liked my shot - and you mentioned just lagging one rail to get the cueball to that same spot - yeah I considered that first, but in the diagram it looks like it's a tighter fit coming back between the 9 and the 2, and also you could scratch in the corner pocket next to the 10, that's why I picked the two-rail lag instead..........And as senor asked in post #48....Yes, if the ball layout/carom angles were such with your shot that there were no kisses, then it's a no-brainer that your shot would be the 1st choice of shots - but as I posted before, the way the table diagram looks in this instance, there are kisses with your shot.......And John, I would also greatly enjoy playing some one pocket with you - if you lived within 75 miles of me, I'd be calling you up this afternoon to play.



- Ghost
 
poolhustler said:
I don't play one hole, at least very well !! My first thought is this shot, please let me know why this shot would or wouldn't work.

I would try to thin the left side of the 14 ball and lock the cue ball up on the 1 and the 8. Moving the 14 up by the side pocket. A bit of a touch shot, but looks do-able to me.

Thanks,

Russ...
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This is a fairly weak option that is only going to prolong the agony. I believe the ghost has stated the strongest shot for this situation.
 
miah g. said:
i like nicking the 12 ball, then hitting the 2 ball as full as possible bringing the cue ball near my opponents pocket. slightly elevated cue.
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In other words, put your cue in your mouth and pull the trigger... :)

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pj
chgo
 
senor said:
Great shot...I used to think and execute one pocket that well in my pre-marriage & pre-golf days.

But let's imagine the 5 doesn't get a kiss after hitting the seven, it would be a pretty easy shot that stands a good chance of rearranging the furniture in a more favorable position than what they are in the scenario.
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Even if the 5 clips the 4 and/or hits the 3 I don't see the sellout. The 7 hitting the 10 would worry me. But if you freeze the CB to the 13 just right, no problems (says General Custer)...

pj
chgo
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
I didn't teach you this 'chaos theory' style of one pocket :mad:
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It's quantum theory one pocket: I either know where the ball is or where it's going, but not both. :)

pj
chgo
 
mfinkelstein3 said:
I'd try this shot. It's a lag shot and you might get lucky and get a good hit.


It's always a good idea to read the other posts - your shot suggestion was already discussed in posts #50 and #51
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Onepocket73 said:
BTW---How do you know Freddy B. would take JR's shot over mine?
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My goodness. You really didn't read my post. Thanks. But, not thanks. You're a bit too frustrating.


Fred
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
It's always a good idea to read the other posts - your shot suggestion was already discussed in posts #50 and #51
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I quit reading the responses on these types of "what would u do?" threads to see if I may have missed something in my thought process, such as your silky two rail kick response. I would rather respond and then compare to other responses.
 
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