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1on1pooltournys

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Looking for input on matching up playing one hole from knowledgable players please. For example, the top pros on this forum (Harriman, Ginky, Putnam, Mcready, Daulton, any others I'm leaving out) and experts such as Jay Helfert and likes. I rarely post on here due to reasons I'll refrain from going into. However, I've been playing alot of one pocket lately and am basically wondering what you guys think about the order of spots (ways to match up) from the weakest spot to the greatest. I have a good idea (at least I think) of where to start. I'm going to start off with what I consider the weakest and work up to the greatest, although, I'm sure I will not get too far. So, here it goes from weakest to greatest...
1. even/9,8
2. 9,8
3. 9,8/10,8???
4. 8,7??????(notice even more question marks as before)

As I said, I won't get too far. I'm sure there are ways to manipulate the break into the equation. I'm not even sure if my top 4 are right so help me out here if you can.
 
1on1pooltournys said:
Looking for input on matching up playing one hole from knowledgable players please. For example, the top pros on this forum (Harriman, Ginky, Putnam, Mcready, Daulton, any others I'm leaving out) and experts such as Jay Helfert and likes. I rarely post on here due to reasons I'll refrain from going into. However, I've been playing alot of one pocket lately and am basically wondering what you guys think about the order of spots (ways to match up) from the weakest spot to the greatest. I have a good idea (at least I think) of where to start. I'm going to start off with what I consider the weakest and work up to the greatest, although, I'm sure I will not get too far. So, here it goes from weakest to greatest...
1. even/9,8
2. 9,8
3. 9,8/10,8???
4. 8,7??????(notice even more question marks as before)

As I said, I won't get too far. I'm sure there are ways to manipulate the break into the equation. I'm not even sure if my top 4 are right so help me out here if you can.
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MAybe this will help ya. http://www.onepocket.org/handicaps.htm
 
1on1pooltournys said:
Looking for input on matching up playing one hole from knowledgable players please. For example, the top pros on this forum (Harriman, Ginky, Putnam, Mcready, Daulton, any others I'm leaving out) and experts such as Jay Helfert and likes. I rarely post on here due to reasons I'll refrain from going into. However, I've been playing alot of one pocket lately and am basically wondering what you guys think about the order of spots (ways to match up) from the weakest spot to the greatest. I have a good idea (at least I think) of where to start. I'm going to start off with what I consider the weakest and work up to the greatest, although, I'm sure I will not get too far. So, here it goes from weakest to greatest...
1. even/9,8
2. 9,8
3. 9,8/10,8???
4. 8,7??????(notice even more question marks as before)

As I said, I won't get too far. I'm sure there are ways to manipulate the break into the equation. I'm not even sure if my top 4 are right so help me out here if you can.
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In your equation, you left out 9-8/8-7 and 10-8/8-7. But you have the right idea. Also note that handicaps do not have to start at 10. It could be 11-9 or 12-8 and the like. This throws another light on things. What's better, 11-8 or 9-7? This is why matching up at One Pocket can be so tricky.

I played a guy a couple of years ago for fairly high stakes and gave him 9-5 and robbed him. A week later I tried to give him 5-3 and got robbed. Go figure.

WOW, that was post number 3,000! I may have to smoke one today. Who wants to celebrate with me? Mike? Dave?
 
good points Jay! I did a little studying on the % of going 9/7 to 10/8 and to 6/4.......if you are getting the spot or the lesser player, go LOWER! the advantage is more like 1.5balls per ball as you go lower.

its like playing Efren 12/3 or playing him 91 to 100!:D

Gerry
 
jay helfert said:
In your equation, you left out 9-8/8-7 and 10-8/8-7. But you have the right idea. Also note that handicaps do not have to start at 10. It could be 11-9 or 12-8 and the like. This throws another light on things. What's better, 11-8 or 9-7? This is why matching up at One Pocket can be so tricky.

I played a guy a couple of years ago for fairly high stakes and gave him 9-5 and robbed him. A week later I tried to give him 5-3 and got robbed. Go figure.

WOW, that was post number 3,000! I may have to smoke one today. Who wants to celebrate with me? Mike? Dave?
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Pack it up!
 
Gerry said:
good points Jay! I did a little studying on the % of going 9/7 to 10/8 and to 6/4.......if you are getting the spot or the lesser player, go LOWER! the advantage is more like 1.5balls per ball as you go lower.

its like playing Efren 12/3 or playing him 91 to 100!:D

Gerry
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that is too much of a burden !
 
jay helfert said:
In your equation, you left out 9-8/8-7 and 10-8/8-7. But you have the right idea. Also note that handicaps do not have to start at 10. It could be 11-9 or 12-8 and the like. This throws another light on things. What's better, 11-8 or 9-7? This is why matching up at One Pocket can be so tricky.

I played a guy a couple of years ago for fairly high stakes and gave him 9-5 and robbed him. A week later I tried to give him 5-3 and got robbed. Go figure.

WOW, that was post number 3,000! I may have to smoke one today. Who wants to celebrate with me? Mike? Dave?
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I guess you broke Bernie Mack's record of 2999 ! Congratulations Jay ! :D
 
The Break

As I understand it the break (if you have a good one) can be worth 2-3 balls like 9-7, but not quite as strong as 8-6. Which is to say that 8-7 and the break would be equal to 10-7 or better?

Does this sound right?
 
jay helfert said:
In your equation, you left out 9-8/8-7 and 10-8/8-7. But you have the right idea. Also note that handicaps do not have to start at 10. It could be 11-9 or 12-8 and the like. This throws another light on things. What's better, 11-8 or 9-7? This is why matching up at One Pocket can be so tricky.

I played a guy a couple of years ago for fairly high stakes and gave him 9-5 and robbed him. A week later I tried to give him 5-3 and got robbed. Go figure.

WOW, that was post number 3,000! I may have to smoke one today. Who wants to celebrate with me? Mike? Dave?
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Obviously 11-8 is better than 9-7 for the better player imo. I know the lower the number the tougher the spot. A good friend of mine used to run a room out in vegas and he said he give a guy 40 something to 10 and won but lost giving the guy 12 to 4. Obviously the guy is a weak player and when you let weak players go to low numbers they can escape with the dough. How big do you think the break is? Since you are only giving it up half the time.
 
nyjoe14.1 said:
As I understand it the break (if you have a good one) can be worth 2-3 balls like 9-7, but not quite as strong as 8-6. Which is to say that 8-7 and the break would be equal to 10-7 or better?

Does this sound right?
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Should have scrolled down to see this...lol..but yeah..this is what i was thinking..i'd much rather have 8 to 7 and the break then 10 to 7.
 
nyjoe14.1 said:
As I understand it the break (if you have a good one) can be worth 2-3 balls like 9-7, but not quite as strong as 8-6. Which is to say that 8-7 and the break would be equal to 10-7 or better?

Does this sound right?
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A little inside info that can be told now. Ronnie figured HIS break was worth FOUR balls. So he would give guys games like 10-6 and take the break. He was stealing! It was like playing him even. Good luck.
 
I don't know how serious my knowledge is, but here is my two cents. There are so many ways to match up, and so many different spots, that it would be impossible to put them all in order. The break can be worth a couple of balls, or none at all depending on how well each player breaks. If you have great break, and your opponent is weak getting out of breaks, then the break may be worth 3-4 balls, and you should offer what it takes to get it. If your opponent breaks poorly, and you can get out of a break, let them have the break in exchange for a couple of balls. How tough each spot is can vary depending on the players individual strengths and weaknesses. A player who knows the strategy but is not much of a shot maker will fare better in high count handicap games, while the agressive shot maker who knows less strategy will fare better in low count handicap games. IMHO the way you match up should be much like the way you play; adjusting to the strengths and weaknesses of both yourself, and your opponent.
 
If you're weaker, get the less amount of balls. If you're stronger, make the weaker get more balls.

If I am getting a spot from someone I'd want 9/6 instead of 10/7 - and vise versa.

Hope this helps.
 
just looking for opinions

Like I said, I know how to match up the game as far as stronger versus weaker player goes. Really what i'm looking for is some validated opinions about what type of adjustments can be made in games. For example, if you give a guy 10-8 and win, then, would the next step be 11-8, 10-8/11-8, 9-7 and so on. Or if you give a guy 8-7 (which in my opinion is a bigger spot than 10-8) and beat him, then should you go to 9-7 or 8-7/9-7? I understand without an example between two players where their speeds are known, it may be impossible to put spots into any certain order. So we will consider all matchups are between guys that can run 8 and out if the balls aren't too tough. I'm a very experienced gambler and have excelled at pool for a number of years, hence, the name "1on1pooltournys". So, basically, i'm just comparing everyone's different perspectives on here. That way, i'll know what games you all will take when I come to your towns..Lol..just kidding.:D
Thanks for the input so far though, but i'm still looking for a little more.
 
this is why 1P is the best gambling games is that it can be hanicapped easily and stalling is easy too, just shoot the wrong ball with your best effort then you wont fall out of stroke by shooting the right ball with a bad hit. this is very advantagious for the stronger player-you can tell how someone plays by their shot selection and if your ahead in the gme the guy losing isnt going to be shooting at the wrong shot/ball. so jump out to an earily lead then go on the lemon and you'll see what your up against fast.
 
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