sure it is answered somewhere...but lets say you opp needs one and you need two...you have one ball in the jaws of your hole with the other ball just outside of the kitchen on your opp side of the table....your shot....you, on purpose, dbl hit the cue ball and pocket your ball that is in your hole and call foul on yourself.....what happens?
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Spot 2 balls (ball made on the foul shot, and a penalty ball). Dude shoots cue ball from where she lies. You need 3, he needs 1.
Why not just pocket the duck, move for shape and sink the game winner?
KISS.
Why not just pocket the duck, move for shape and sink the game winner?
KISS.
Yep. If you need two, there's one hanging in your pocket, and the other is out in the open, then there's really no conceivable reason not to pocket the duck and play shape on the other.
-Andrew
I am struggling with the logic for why someone would do the above? By the way good luck tonight.
-don
Sounds pretty low to me
You might want to practice more. If you have to resort to crap like this.:smile:
You might want to practice more. If you have to resort to crap like this.:smile:
Pretty sure he meant to say your opponent has the hanger not him. I assume he wants to double hit it and corner hook his opponent while taking a foul.
Depends on what part of the country you are in. Some places a player is allowed to simply pick up the hanger and spot it while taking the foul. Some places a double hit intentional foul is the same as conceding the game.
If you want to avoid drama either push out to where they cant make the ball or go for your hole and then foul. Got to be keen on sportsmanship in these situations and the generally accepted rules of the game where you are at.
Depends on what part of the country you are in. Some places a player is allowed to simply pick up the hanger and spot it while taking the foul. Some places a double hit intentional foul is the same as conceding the game.
If you want to avoid drama either push out to where they cant make the ball or go for your hole and then foul. Got to be keen on sportsmanship in these situations and the generally accepted rules of the game where you are at.
If your opponent has the hanger, and only needs one, then pocketing his ball would end the game (in favor of your opponent), unless the CB either scratches or leaves the table. Even on a double-hit.
-Andrew
The original situation may not be the best to describe the intent of this post. If both players only need one ball and that ball is in the opponents pocket it is common strategy to pocket that ball and scratch. The scratch could be by following the object ball in the pocket or jumping the cue ball off the table after sinking the object ball.
If the position of the cue ball makes both of these options impossible or difficult, then a possible solution would be to foul by making a double hit on the cue ball while pocketing the object ball. In these cases the object ball plus the shooters penalty ball would be spotted and the incoming player would have ball in hand in the kitchen.
The problem with the intentional double hit is that it is an illegal shot---this is where the battle starts. There are many rules and revised rules and house rules and gambling rules, etc.
Pull out the guns.
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Your opponent will not call the foul and will the game. Or you will lose a ball and the object ball will go back in the jaws to where it was. Point is, you can't do that, any more then you could take your cue and sweep all the balls to your hole and say "Opps, I fouled" and spot one. Heck, using your logic you could just follow the ball in and then take the back of your cue and knock the other ball in the kitchen. The game is not played like that.
This is correct...End of story!!:smile: Then you spot up 1 ball from you (for the foul) and the one scratched in his pocket (also from your foul). That makes 2 balls on the spot and his shot behind the line.:wink:
Rules... in most respected tournaments:
Cue ball goes into hole or off the table... pocketed balls for your opponents come up.
Cue ball table fouls... double hits, push shots... pocketed balls for opponents stay DOWN.
If you are matching up... this is one rule I would discuss with my opponent and make sure we both agree what will happen if it comes up.
Cue ball goes into hole or off the table... pocketed balls for your opponents come up.
Cue ball table fouls... double hits, push shots... pocketed balls for opponents stay DOWN.
If you are matching up... this is one rule I would discuss with my opponent and make sure we both agree what will happen if it comes up.
And don't forget that the OP stated that there was another ball just outside of the kitchen -- "...with the other ball just outside of the kitchen on your opp side of the table..."
So, for all intensive/academic purposes, the game is over -- the opponent will just take ball-in-hand and line-up an easy shot at that ball just outside the kitchen into his hole. Doesn't matter there's those two balls locked together on the spot.
-Sean
Ughh? You could just follow your ball with the cue ball into your pocket, unless you were left to bad for that to happen, you would lag to porduce the most difficult shot on your opponents next ball, which obviously he will try to tear out yours on his next shot. A deliberate double hit constitues bad sportsmanship, more over bad edicate partaining to one pocket because you should always attempt to hit the cue ball once, "notice the sport of billiards"
Two balls will spot after this foul, but any good one pocket player knows the two ball 2 rail long bank spot shot. You may not take this shot in tournamentg play, but most defininately in money play.
Two balls will spot after this foul, but any good one pocket player knows the two ball 2 rail long bank spot shot. You may not take this shot in tournamentg play, but most defininately in money play.
I just read this complete thread and I am lost as can be. I have nothing to add as far as advise because this does not make any sense to me. I'm sure that I read it correctly.
We need to have the original poster come on here and tell us what his reasonings were as to why he did what he did. To do something like this he must have had some sort of an idea. What he did is a sure loss with his opponent needing only one ball.
I think he meant to write something different that what he wrote.
P.S. I just reread the post and now it makes more sense. I see his logic but it is a poor one. Now at the best he needs three. Any of the suggestions that others posted here could apply, including the one of unsportmanship conduct.
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yes,,,it was a typo
it never came up or has happened to me....a man that i play with asked me what i would do if someone did this to me...i dont know the rules that well.....so i said you would spot it and owe a ball....but sorry about the original post i was in a hurry and was at work and didnt proof read it....i was just wondering what the rules would be.......was thinking what the difference in that happening and for example just tapping the cue ball with your tip and calling a foul (not with the same scenerio)
it never came up or has happened to me....a man that i play with asked me what i would do if someone did this to me...i dont know the rules that well.....so i said you would spot it and owe a ball....but sorry about the original post i was in a hurry and was at work and didnt proof read it....i was just wondering what the rules would be.......was thinking what the difference in that happening and for example just tapping the cue ball with your tip and calling a foul (not with the same scenerio)
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Okay I get it now, the hanger is in your opponents pocket and there is a ball just past the head string that they would make if you scratched behind the hanger. The only real option is to try and make the ball across the head string in your hole and then scratch behind the hanger. I agree that you cannot purposely double hit the cue ball to spot up a hanger.
-don
-don