One pocket question

[poolandpokerman]

I will try and make this as brief as possible. We are playing one pocket last night. My opp. makes a ball in his hole and then another ball goes in a pocket up the table. He does not want to forget to spot the ball that went in on accident so he trys to balance it on the rail in the number counter (GC3). He can't balance it so he puts it in the ball rack under the rail. You guess it. We both forget to spot the ball. Towards the end of the game, I have 2 balls and he makes a ball in his hole. I count my balls
(2) and there are only 5 on the table and so I said good game and start giving him the balls because it is his break. Well we are a ball short when we start racking and then remember there is one in the rack. What should be done at this time, does anyone know. I do not post on onepocket.org so I thought I would come on this site. Thanks for the answers. Tom

 

[PGHteacher]

You found out too late; I would say it isn't a 1P question it is a game question; in that situation the game becomes void, but that is a "whatever you agreed on is just fine" because you both agreed about how to deal with it.

 

[lfigueroa]

I will try and make this as brief as possible. We are playing one pocket last night. My opp. makes a ball in his hole and then another ball goes in a pocket up the table. He does not want to forget to spot the ball that went in on accident so he trys to balance it on the rail in the number counter (GC3). He can't balance it so he puts it in the ball rack under the rail. You guess it. We both forget to spot the ball. Towards the end of the game, I have 2 balls and he makes a ball in his hole. I count my balls
(2) and there are only 5 on the table and so I said good game and start giving him the balls because it is his break. Well we are a ball short when we start racking and then remember there is one in the rack. What should be done at this time, does anyone know. I do not post on onepocket.org so I thought I would come on this site. Thanks for the answers. Tom

Money game: you conceded, you raked 'em, you lose.

Friendly game: whatever you guys decide.

Just as a matter of standard policy, I will *always* take the 8 balls, or whatever I need, out of the pocket(s) or rack and put them on the table before I rake them. This practice actually saved me from losing a game versus Warren Kiamco at Tunica

Lou Figueroa

 

[poolandpokerman]

Money game: you conceded, you raked 'em, you lose.

Friendly game: whatever you guys decide.

Just as a matter of standard policy, I will *always* take the 8 balls, or whatever I need, out of the pocket(s) or rack and put them on the table before I rake them. This practice actually saved me from losing a game versus Warren Kiamco at Tunica

Lou Figueroa

I also always take the eight balls out of my side of the table and recount them, however, I had 2 and there were 5 left, the best I could get
was 7. We both forgot about the ball he had put in the rack, and it was a money game.

 

[lfigueroa]

I also always take the eight balls out of my side of the table and recount them, however, I had 2 and there were 5 left, the best I could get
was 7. We both forgot about the ball he had put in the rack, and it was a money game.

Well then, you should have waited until he took the 8 out ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[Cdryden]

So what was the actual outcome?

 

[Black-Balled]

I will try and make this as brief as possible. We are playing one pocket last night. My opp. makes a ball in his hole and then another ball goes in a pocket up the table. He does not want to forget to spot the ball that went in on accident so he trys to balance it on the rail in the number counter (GC3). He can't balance it so he puts it in the ball rack under the rail. You guess it. We both forget to spot the ball. Towards the end of the game, I have 2 balls and he makes a ball in his hole. I count my balls
(2) and there are only 5 on the table and so I said good game and start giving him the balls because it is his break. Well we are a ball short when we start racking and then remember there is one in the rack. What should be done at this time, does anyone know. I do not post on onepocket.org so I thought I would come on this site. Thanks for the answers. Tom

I only want to know how many balls you had at the beginning:smile:

 

[1pocket]

I will try and make this as brief as possible. We are playing one pocket last night. My opp. makes a ball in his hole and then another ball goes in a pocket up the table. He does not want to forget to spot the ball that went in on accident so he trys to balance it on the rail in the number counter (GC3). He can't balance it so he puts it in the ball rack under the rail. You guess it. We both forget to spot the ball. Towards the end of the game, I have 2 balls and he makes a ball in his hole. I count my balls
(2) and there are only 5 on the table and so I said good game and start giving him the balls because it is his break. Well we are a ball short when we start racking and then remember there is one in the rack. What should be done at this time, does anyone know. I do not post on onepocket.org so I thought I would come on this site. Thanks for the answers. Tom

The complete official OnePocket.org rules are here:
http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm

Of course it is always a tough situation for one player or the other if this kind of thing happens -- yet the reality is that it does happen and it is often impossible to restore the exact table position and even replaying the game might not be an option, so this situation of disturbing the balls is covered in our rules. If you scroll down a ways, pretty near this exact scenario is covered by this rule:

10.1 It is the responsibility of the shooting player to verify their own ball count as they approach their out ball, and the non-shooting player should avoid making comments about how many balls are needed. However, if the non-shooting player disturbs the balls, or breaks down their stick, or in the judgment of the acting official otherwise significantly disturbs the shooter in the assumption that the shooter is already out, such acts are considered a concession, and the shooter is considered to have won, regardless of whether a subsequent count reveals that more balls are needed. Likewise, if it can be verified that the non-shooting player’s mistaken statement of the number of balls needed leads directly to the shooter pocketing said number of balls and the assumption of the game being over, then the shooter wins, even if it is subsequently determined that the non-shooting player’s statement of balls needed was in error.

10.2 If the shooting player disturbs only one of the remaining balls on the table under their own mistaken assumption that the game is over, play continues under the terms of rule 6.1. However, if the shooting player disturbs two or more of the remaining balls in play on their own mistaken assumption that the game is over, then it is the shooting player that forfeits the game.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Next time, put the ball in your pants pocket. Much easier to remember, that way. If I can be of any further assistance, please leave a message with my secretary. :smile: