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PIRANHA

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Ruling,
I play on a 5x10 Klinging /Allan,BIG BEARTHA, the balls return in end tray.At the end of the table,there is a rack to put your ball count, divided.
I scratched on a shot and took the last ball in line that was on my side of rack. It just so happen to be the black 8-ball. The other player came around the table and took the 8-ball off the spot and replaced it with a stripe???Of course I didn't say anything.But , what is the ruling if I did .????LES
 
I do not know the exact ruling but obviously he wanted a ball that was easier to pocket. I would think that you would need to agree ahead of time about it. It would probably be best just to agree to not put a solid dark ball like the green or black. Even when you rack the balls this could come up becasue I have seen players take the two hardest balls and put them at the front of the rack next to each other so that it is hard to aim becasue of the shades of color, black and green ect.... Just agree ahead of time. is my suggestion.
 
I don't think there is any ruling in that situation. Whatever you both agree on is what matters, and if you can't agree on which ball to spot, find someone else to play. As a matter of common courtesy, I try to rack and spot balls in the way that is least controversial, ie don't spot the 6 or 8 if I have other balls, rack a light colored ball up front with a contrasting color behind it, etc.
 
I am very sure that there is no rule about this. In my opinion, when racking the balls or spotting a ball, you should put whatever ball your opponent wants on the spot or just behind the spot. Just a matter of courtesy in my opinion.
 
If he didn't like the ball you placed up there, it seems to me the polite thing to do would have been to ask you if you minded if he switched it before just doing it. Without the discussion, you could have made a stink about him moving a ball that was in play.

Unless he put the strip up and then rotated it around so the stripe was pointed right as his pocket to help him aim, I probably would have done the same thing you did, let it slide, but I also wouldn't hesitate to swap balls if he spotted up a ball you didn't like.
 
Some players have trouble seeing the edge of a ball if its a darker color. I was taught that when racking the balls for one pocket, it is courteous to put light color balls in the first 3 ball positions. I dont think there is any ruling on it, but I dont have a problem with it. JMO.

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MinoInADixeCup said:
If he didn't like the ball you placed up there, it seems to me the polite thing to do would have been to ask you if you minded if he switched it before just doing it. Without the discussion, you could have made a stink about him moving a ball that was in play.
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I agree with this, if you didn't agree on this before the game started, you have a right to put up whatever ball you want, especially from your side of the score.
 
I think the person that took the 8 off the spot and replaced it with a striped ball, took advantage of the situation and tried to get an easier ball color to shoot at.

IMO, Cheesey if you ask me. The kind of guy that squezzes all the bread to see which is freshest.
 
I don't think there is any ruling for the situation of which ball to spot after the scratch. If my oponnent asked me to change the ball I would. For me I don't think it ever made a difference.

You immediately learn a lot about a person when in the initial game they rack something like the eight and six in front. Sometimes it's by accident but if you see it more then once then you know.

I have always racked light colored balls up front for my opponent out of courtesy. To teach them some manners I have purposely put some dark balls in front and then say oops, here let me change these to some to something that you can see better. (embarrasses them a little). Works most of the time. If it doesn't work then be careful, with this type of person, some of your balls may find themselfs into his count. Oh yea, also keep count on owed balls.
 
PIRANHA said:
Ruling,
I play on a 5x10 Klinging /Allan,BIG BEARTHA, the balls return in end tray.At the end of the table,there is a rack to put your ball count, divided.
I scratched on a shot and took the last ball in line that was on my side of rack. It just so happen to be the black 8-ball. The other player came around the table and took the 8-ball off the spot and replaced it with a stripe???Of course I didn't say anything.But , what is the ruling if I did .????LES
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There is no rule that I know of, but that's no reason we can't make one up. I favor letting the person spotting the ball (you) choose which ball to spot. Of course, there's nothing to keep your opponent from requesting a lighter-colored ball and you complying. Similarly, the racker chooses which balls to place in front, and the breaker is free to request light ones.

By the rules on the onepocket.org web site, the order of the balls in the rack is supposed to be random, and they don't mention choice of balls to be spotted.

I don't pay attention to what my opponent racks in front, and I always try to give him light balls in front when I'm racking.

Here's something to think about: blue is the hardest color for most people to focus on, so the two ball is the hardest to shoot.
 
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BillPorter said:
I am very sure that there is no rule about this. In my opinion, when racking the balls or spotting a ball, you should put whatever ball your opponent wants on the spot or just behind the spot. Just a matter of courtesy in my opinion.
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Ok, If the player has his say on what ball to spot,can he move the ball that you spot so he can see a aiming spot on the ball??
 
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Bob Jewett said:
There is no rule that I know of, but that's no reason we can't make one up. I favor letting the person spotting the ball (you) choose which ball to spot. Of course, there's nothing to keep your opponent from requesting a lighter-colored ball and you complying. Similarly, the racker chooses which balls to place in front, and the breaker is free to request light ones.

By the rules on the onepocket.org web site, the order of the balls in the rack is supposed to be random, and they don't mention choice of balls to be spotted.

I don't pay attention to what my opponent racks in front, and I always try to give him light balls in front when I'm racking.

Here's something to think about: blue is the hardest color for most people to focus on, so the two ball is the hardest to shoot.
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Bob, I also give a fare, tight rack.I put a rack on the group of balls and what comes up ,come up. if some one wants a better rack or said ball in front , no problem. I've never had anyone replace a spotted ball himself. No big deal, just was wondering about a rule. What if I replace the same ball back again when he is at the other end of the table.??LES
 
PIRANHA said:
Any answers????
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I think at that point you would have to have a neutral party make the call since there doesn't seem to be a rule about it. As far as I'm concerned, once a ball has been placed on the spot, it's in play and should not be touched by either player except by mutual consent or if it rolls off before a shot.

Here's another example of what a pain it is when the rules don't cover a situation.

I had a bit of a problem once in a small 9ball tournament. I was standing at the table waiting for my opponent to rack; I usually break from the left side. My opponent finished racking and because I hadn't been breaking well that day, I decided to break from the right side. My opponent jumped up and said "Wait". I figured the head ball had moved or something. Not only did he place the triangle back on the balls, but he moved a few in the back. I'm always happy to be a pain in the ass when someone is asking for it, so I then moved back to the left. He gets all pissy and demands that I tell him which side I'm going to break from. I tell him that I'm under no obligation to tell him that. I don't remember what we finally decided on, it was a number of years ago, but I'm pretty sure it involved the TD.
 
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PIRANHA said:
Any answers????
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I have seen this happen before. It will probably end the match or end up in a heated discussion. At this point you should decide if you want to continue.
 
MinoInADixeCup said:
I think at that point you would have to have a neutral party make the call since there doesn't seem to be a rule about it. As far as I'm concerned, once a ball has been placed on the spot, it's in play and should not be touched by either player except by mutual consent or if it rolls off before a shot.

Here's another example of what a pain it is when the rules don't cover a situation.

I had a bit of a problem once in a small 9ball tournament. I was standing at the table waiting for my opponent to rack; I usually break from the left side. My opponent finished racking and because I hadn't been breaking well that day, I decided to break from the right side. My opponent jumped up and said "Wait". I figured the head ball had moved or something. Not only did he place the triangle back on the balls, but he moved a few in the back. I'm always happy to be a pain in the ass when someone is asking for it, so I then moved back to the left. He gets all pissy and demands that I tell him which side I'm going to break from. I tell him that I'm under no obligation to tell him that. I don't remember what we finally decided on, it was a number of years ago, but I'm pretty sure it involved the TD.
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I guess you see a lot of different shanks when you play as long as I do,but never had that tactic before.LOL
 
also some people get mad when you are racking and you spot the 8 as the head ball on their break!..ive seen ppl go off the air cuz of this...just some people think it makes that much a difference..personally i dont think it does...
 
deadwhak said:
also some people get mad when you are racking and you spot the 8 as the head ball on their break!..ive seen ppl go off the air cuz of this...just some people think it makes that much a difference..personally i dont think it does...
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There's no set rule in a book that says what ball has to be spotted or go up front in a rack of one pocket but it kind of is a rule or code between players to rack or spot a light colored ball.. You either know it or you don't I guess..

It's kind of considered an "F" you to rack the game with a dark colored ball as the head ball..

Maybe it's different for others.. I dunno..
 
Nine Ball said:
There's no set rule in a book that says what ball has to be spotted or go up front in a rack of one pocket but it kind of is a rule or code between players to rack or spot a light colored ball.. You either know it or you don't I guess..

It's kind of considered an "F" you to rack the game with a dark colored ball as the head ball..

Maybe it's different for others.. I dunno..
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Nine Ball,
Yes, I do know the unwritten code about racking the balls, I give a tight ,fare rack. The point I was getting to was a stopped ball reaction.I did not spot the black eight to shark the player,it was just the first ball in my rack. Now ,can a player come around the table and move the spotted ball so he has a aiming point on the ball???
 
deadwhak said:
also some people get mad when you are racking and you spot the 8 as the head ball on their break!..ive seen ppl go off the air cuz of this...just some people think it makes that much a difference..personally i dont think it does...
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They are talking about 1-pocket, no ping pong, LOL!!!
 
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