One pockets hurts other games , so I'm told

SJDinPHX said:
That would be true to some extent Lou..But as for RA's observation, it reminds me of another well known quote..."Any 12 year old kid can learn to play one pocket, as long as he has 15 years of experience"!..I'm not sure, but that quote might have also originated from Mr. Allen!...:eek: ;)

PS..I'm sure you've noticed..when matching up, RA was very good at feeding them a line or two, and confusing whoever it was he was talking too! :cool: :D

PPS..I don't think the first several Accustat videos, taught anything but the basics of the game!..Pat learned what he came to know along with all the other non-1P players!
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Well, of course, Dick. Knowing the shot and knowing when to shoot the shot are two different things. And RA was definitely an expert dispenser of da baloney.

Lou Figueroa
 
My personal experiance, played 1P almost exclusively for approximately 6 months.
Came back to IL where there is almost no 1P and started to play 8 ball and 9 ball and struggled. One of the things I immediately noticed was tough side pocket shots became even more difficult I love 1P and honestly prefer to play it as much as possible.
 
If you feel like your pretty good at the other games then start learning one hole and get that scared bunt pokey bunt stroke.....yea your other games will def suffer.

One pocket relies so much on cue ball control it puts fear in a lot of players strokes.


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I don't think 1P requires CB control that 14.1 or 15-ball rotation doesn't, at least if you're playing those games to a high level and staying on yourself to be precise. You can sure get out of a rack in other games without 1P preciand not be happy about how controlled you were doing it.

The difference is that you see the results of missing position by half a roll in 1P more quickly than you do in other games because you're turning the table over to your opponent much more frequently. You can definitely get through a rack of 14.1 with looser position and have the chance to recover but the looser you play you'll pay the price at some point. It may take two racks, it may take five racks, but you'll pay.

I think the harm people get into playing 1P is just the mental setup, you're playing many, many shots that are difficult, and in many situations you're focusing maybe 25% on trying to pocket the ball but mostly just trying to get the CB safe if you don't, because you'll settle for another hard kick or bank as long as you can get safe on every attempt, since leaving your opponent safe in 1P doesn't entail leaving yourself safe. Watch top players playing one pocket, they'll get really good in the groove shooting kicks, banks, and their tactical play but then just dog straight-forward cuts they wouldn't dream of missing playing a rotation game.

For rotation you definitely need to get into the mental space of attacking a long run of balls without planning for the miss. It's not even the type of shots that you need to practice, it's just the determination to execute out a long pattern using your fundamentals. With 1P you run what you can then end up either babying the CB into a tight spot or kicking 4 rails hoping for the pocket but planning to leave a long safety, and especially when the table starts laying where both players are playing a bunch of kicks and multi-rail banks your polished stroke becomes of secondary importance and it's hard to get yourself mentally back to your groove for rotation after playing a bunch of 1P.
 
greyghost said:
If you feel like your pretty good at the other games then start learning one hole and get that scared bunt pokey bunt stroke.....yea your other games will def suffer.

One pocket relies so much on cue ball control it puts fear in a lot of players strokes.


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If you have a flawed stroke 1pocket will magnify that, not cause it. Some guys get *more bunty," others go full bull goose chicken wing.

Lou Figueroa
 
Gorramjayne said:
I don't think 1P requires CB control that 14.1 or 15-ball rotation doesn't, at least if you're playing those games to a high level and staying on yourself to be precise. You can sure get out of a rack in other games without 1P preciand not be happy about how controlled you were doing it.

The difference is that you see the results of missing position by half a roll in 1P more quickly than you do in other games because you're turning the table over to your opponent much more frequently. You can definitely get through a rack of 14.1 with looser position and have the chance to recover but the looser you play you'll pay the price at some point. It may take two racks, it may take five racks, but you'll pay.

I think the harm people get into playing 1P is just the mental setup, you're playing many, many shots that are difficult, and in many situations you're focusing maybe 25% on trying to pocket the ball but mostly just trying to get the CB safe if you don't, because you'll settle for another hard kick or bank as long as you can get safe on every attempt, since leaving your opponent safe in 1P doesn't entail leaving yourself safe. Watch top players playing one pocket, they'll get really good in the groove shooting kicks, banks, and their tactical play but then just dog straight-forward cuts they wouldn't dream of missing playing a rotation game.

For rotation you definitely need to get into the mental space of attacking a long run of balls without planning for the miss. It's not even the type of shots that you need to practice, it's just the determination to execute out a long pattern using your fundamentals. With 1P you run what you can then end up either babying the CB into a tight spot or kicking 4 rails hoping for the pocket but planning to leave a long safety, and especially when the table starts laying where both players are playing a bunch of kicks and multi-rail banks your polished stroke becomes of secondary importance and it's hard to get yourself mentally back to your groove for rotation after playing a bunch of 1P.
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I'm guessing you are not a 1pocket player because 1pocket players are always looking to get out given an opportunity, no different than a rotation game. If you're any kind of player you know that opportunities can be few and far between so it is essential to maximize every chance you make or your opponent gives you.

1pocket requires a *different* kind of CB control because you're playing to one pocket, so you're playing position and safeties in ways you'd never do at other games. You are also playing, over and over, very delicate safeties that don't come up at other games. So the game requires a player to vastly expand their ability to control the CB, not change it.

The "half a roll thing" is also true at 14.1, BTW. And while you may get away with running a sloppy rack at straight pool you cannot run large numbers that way. The more precise your positional play the longer your runs. Sloppy racks and you are a dead duck.

I also don't agree with 1pocket being 25% on pocketing the ball. I don't even know where to start with that one -- that's just nuts.

Lou Figueroa
playing a bunch of kicks
and multi-rail banks?!
 
lfigueroa said:
....1pocket requires a *different* kind of CB control because you're playing to one pocket, so you're playing position and safeties in ways you'd never do at other games. You are also playing, over and over, very delicate safeties that don't come up at other games. So the game requires a player to vastly expand their ability to control the CB, not change it....

Lou Figueroa
playing a bunch of kicks
and multi-rail banks?!
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You nailed it there Lou..I have tried to assert the same message in explaining one pocket, but never could find the right words!
1P is all about playing with a completely different mindset, than any other game. Thats what makes it so unique and challenging!
Non-1P players/lovers will never be able to grasp that fact.
 
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lfigueroa said:
I'm guessing you are not a 1pocket player because 1pocket players are always looking to get out given an opportunity, no different than a rotation game. If you're any kind of player you know that opportunities can be few and far between so it is essential to maximize every chance you make or your opponent gives you.



1pocket requires a *different* kind of CB control because you're playing to one pocket, so you're playing position and safeties in ways you'd never do at other games. You are also playing, over and over, very delicate safeties that don't come up at other games. So the game requires a player to vastly expand their ability to control the CB, not change it.



The "half a roll thing" is also true at 14.1, BTW. And while you may get away with running a sloppy rack at straight pool you cannot run large numbers that way. The more precise your positional play the longer your runs. Sloppy racks and you are a dead duck.



I also don't agree with 1pocket being 25% on pocketing the ball. I don't even know where to start with that one -- that's just nuts.



Lou Figueroa

playing a bunch of kicks

and multi-rail banks?!
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I agree this is very well said.....I know I don't play and assemble the balls in such a way that " oh yay I get my one ball! ". The are situations where your just doing the angle drill one rail and running 7going off the short rail for cb position and eventually going off the long by the side, rolling out to center to start snatching the stragglers runningfor the levee


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SJDinPHX said:
You nailed it there Lou..I have tried to assert the same message in explaining one pocket, but never could find the right words!
1P is all about playing with a completely different mindset, than any other game. Thats what makes it so unique and challenging!
Non-1P players/lovers will never be able to grasp that fact.
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Thanks, Dick. I think part of the problem is that there are some guys who watch 1pocket, and/or play it a bit, and come away with erroneous conclusions because they don't really play the game.

Lou Figueroa
 
SJDinPHX said:
Thats what makes it so unique and challenging!
Non-1P players/lovers will never be able to grasp that fact.
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It kills me when they say it is boring or it ruins the other games. Some times I reply>>>you're boring and ruining my game. Go away. :grin:
 
GoldCrown said:
It kills me when they say it is boring or it ruins the other games. Some times I reply>>>you're boring and ruining my game. Go away. :grin:
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I suppose some would say chess is boring too. Same guys who pick their wine by asking for white or red. Or God forbid, a white Zinfandel. I would not give my dog a bath in white Zinfandel :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Speaking for myself, when I was playing and gambling at pool on a regular basis, One Pocket always having been my best game, I wanted to exclusively be playing One Pocket. That said, rotation games, short rack bank pool, straight pool, and carom games where not off limits. All these games have some unique aspect that will help a specialist with their favorite game of choice. Bank pool will obviously help a One Pocket player. Nine ball can help that same player develop shooting skills. Straight pool will help him understand patterns better. Carom games will help that player see more precisely the angles off object balls and where those lines extend off multiple rails.

To truly be called a One Pocket player you must possess all cueing skills and you must know how to maintain solid rituals and rhythm to your stroking while continually being interrupted by the degree of safety play the game requires. It is unquestionably the most demanding of all pool games.

Rotation players would do well to learn at least a rudimentary understanding of One Pocket, Bank pool, and carom games. To the open minded the game will take the blinders off the eyes of these rotation players and help them see alternative options while playing their game of choice, Nine ball. Their kicking skills will improve and they are bound to become more thoughtful players. Never a bad thing.

The least any aspiring pool player can do to improve their pool game, whatever it may be, is to practice the various games. The best players in the world right now play Rotation games, Bank pool, Straight Pool, One Pocket, and some, like Efren Reyes even play a pretty sporty game of Billiards,

Tom
 
I find that even though I am new to the game of one pocket(less than 2 yrs) it is a game
that you actually learn new shots. I can't see how playing this game could hurt the play
of any other.I can only imagine the safety play you learn can only be helpful in most any other pool games.I now play more one pocket than any thing else and the game is becoming more popular than before. although I'm still a sucker for a cheap ring game
with 3-4 friends.
 
Well in the very begining of my jurney to learn the game no question it hurt my other games cause I was adapting to different strokes however as time has moved on , what I have found out is because every single one pocket shot takes a great deal of thought and execution that you bear down on every shot even the simplest shot because missing it could mean lights out
I'm lucky and Stealing as my friend Tom Tom tells me getting to play Reggie Barksdale for 5 one thing about Reggie and Tom Tom when I was in my late teens they will play on the cheap and you'll like even losing to them cause you can learn from them and they will
treat you with respect they know this is win win , Iv done it my self and could easily do it again but my goal is not to win money it's to get better in what I truley have come to believe is the best pool game of them all just wish I thought that earlier
On a side note I hooked up with Reggie before the weekly turney short race 8 n 9 ball turney he saw we were going to meet he asked me if I want to take a flyer if either of us cashes the other gets 10 dollars ,, I knocked him in the loser side went on to finish 3rd
Dam that old guy even when he loses he gets money from me lol

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lfigueroa said:
I suppose some would say chess is boring too. Same guys who pick their wine by asking for white or red. Or God forbid, a white Zinfandel. I would not give my dog a bath in white Zinfandel :-)

Lou Figueroa
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I guess that leaves us Boone's Farm connoisseur's out, huh Lou? :thumbup:

Reiterating what you, and Dick, have said, the thought processes are completely different for One Pocket, relative to many of the other games.
Where as Nine-Ball, and Eight-Ball for that matter, can be viewed as connect the dot type scenarios, One Pocket tends to be a more demanding solve the puzzle experience. The more difficult the opponent, the smaller the puzzle pieces.
I also believe that One Pocket requires more physical stamina to play because of the mental stresses involved. Playing with the knuckleheads that I do, tends to bear that statement out.
And, I like your equating the game to fine wine. I, however, see One Pocket as a beautiful woman. A seductress who, as Steven Bishop would say, "will steal your money, then she'll break your heart."
Cheers,
Tramp
 
Tramp Steamer said:
I guess that leaves us Boone's Farm connoisseur's out, huh Lou? :thumbup:

Reiterating what you, and Dick, have said, the thought processes are completely different for One Pocket, relative to many of the other games.
Where as Nine-Ball, and Eight-Ball for that matter, can be viewed as connect the dot type scenarios, One Pocket tends to be a more demanding solve the puzzle experience. The more difficult the opponent, the smaller the puzzle pieces.
I also believe that One Pocket requires more physical stamina to play because of the mental stresses involved. Playing with the knuckleheads that I do, tends to bear that statement out.
And, I like your equating the game to fine wine. I, however, see One Pocket as a beautiful woman. A seductress who, as Steven Bishop would say, "will steal your money, then she'll break your heart."
Cheers,
Tramp
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Tramp, I think the thing about 1pocket is that "the puzzle" can be put together many different ways. That's what makes it so intriguing. It is the one pool game that lets a player be an artiste and not just a ball pocketing robot.

Lou Figueroa
Annie Green Springs
anyone
 
GoldCrown said:
It kills me when they say it is boring or it ruins the other games. Some times I reply>>>you're boring and ruining my game. Go away. :grin:
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I played a young 9baller gave him 8 to 7. He fired in everything. If he missed,he somehow got safe or only gave up 1 or 2 balls. He won 8 in a row. I knew this wouldnt last so I asked to double the bet. I won the next 2 games . He siaid I quit lets just call it even. I asked why are you quitting? His reply the game is to boring. I play very fast,faster then he does. How could the game be boring?
 
lfigueroa said:
Tramp, I think the thing about 1pocket is that "the puzzle" can be put together many different ways. That's what makes it so intriguing. It is the one pool game that lets a player be an artiste and not just a ball pocketing robot.



Lou Figueroa

Annie Green Springs

anyone
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It's very not communist lol. One can feel free to be a nit picking one ball fairy that can torture a player or a defensive ball running monster ....or play dead lol


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