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A lot of different view points in this world...

When I see the pictures of JB in action....with his follow-through looking like a cross
between a Swan Lake ballet and a 17th century French swordsman....
....I see a guy with the heart to play for $10,000...and not waiting till his game matured.

....and lost fairly gracefully.

And I miss 86% of his posts....
...I had subscribed to a few of his that offered some excellent business advice....
....and how to handle the Internet.


I beg to differ. There was nothing graceful about his cheating by getting coached by Dennis Spears, an open level player, for a significant portion of the match. There was nothing graceful about all the loud clapping and cheering which, along with his wearing a T-shirt from a room I'm barred from in St. Louis, he did to try and shark me. Lastly there was nothing graceful about him talking the entire time I was running the last few balls to win the case game, another attempted shark.

To say he lost "fairly gracefully" is a stretch IMO. Perhaps you had to be there.

Lou Figueroa
 
Ahhh, the "wearing the shirt from the room I'm barred from" routine.

The oldest shark in the book.


Hands down best statement of the entire thread.


I guess it's only a "shark" if it works ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 

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I played JB at the expo last year, briefly playing him some one pocket just to get a good feel for how the match would go in a few days. The John that played me that night and the John that stepped into the ring with Lou were two completely people from two different solar systems. John played very solid one pocket against me, was rock-steady and made good decisions.

The bottom line is moments before John played Lou, Eric Hu was probably a blink of an eye from bashing John's face in for opening his mouth about playing some --- which not only caught Eric by surprise, but Eric didn't like the tone and content of the comment and basically put John in a "check" that probably shot John's heart-rate into orbit.

To be clear, John had zero business even LOOKING at Eric, given their history and probably deserved whatever Eric told him (I'm not knocking Eric for what happened or what was said). That said, it was evident to me that it took John a while to calm down and settle his nerves and he flat-out "GAVE" Lou the first collection of games.

I watched the stream from my phone while driving south on I-95 on my way to a client's location and HOW I DIDN'T wreck was beyond me (I held the phone in front of my left eye and watch the road and phone at the same time, like a heads-up display). All I know is John was a different human being than I played a few nights earlier and that's a fact. He's NOT the goofball player, like Lou's photoshop pics show.

Lou's margin for winning was NOT greater than the flat-out give-up games at the beginning and had John not made an idiot decision by engaging with Eric, the outcome might have been WAAAAAAAY different. When you also pair that fact with the fact that Lou didn't have the heart to take the entire bet with his own money -- and if he was forced to, the entire match could have flipped upside down for sure.

In short, when I played John in private, he played 100% better than Lou did in every single game in that entire set....prob because he was an inch from getting bashed-in and because Lou had a free roll by taking a very small % of his full bet. Had Michael NOT given Lou a "heart injection" and gave him "permission" to play, this thread wouldn't have existed because there's zero chance Lou would have showed up with that cash on his own... like John did for himself.

What drivel.
 
I played JB at the expo last year, briefly playing him some one pocket just to get a good feel for how the match would go in a few days. The John that played me that night and the John that stepped into the ring with Lou were two completely people from two different solar systems. John played very solid one pocket against me, was rock-steady and made good decisions.
10k is a lot of money to bet on pool. I guess it could give anyone a rubber arm.
The bottom line is moments before John played Lou, Eric Hu was probably a blink of an eye from bashing John's face in for opening his mouth about playing some --- which not only caught Eric by surprise, but Eric didn't like the tone and content of the comment and basically put John in a "check" that probably shot John's heart-rate into orbit.
John played terribly the first couple of games for sure.
To be clear, John had zero business even LOOKING at Eric, given their history and probably deserved whatever Eric told him (I'm not knocking Eric for what happened or what was said). That said, it was evident to me that it took John a while to calm down and settle his nerves and he flat-out "GAVE" Lou the first collection of games.
Don't know about the Eric thing, as I only watched the stream. But John certainly played worse for the first couple of games.
I watched the stream from my phone while driving south on I-95 on my way to a client's location and HOW I DIDN'T wreck was beyond me (I held the phone in front of my left eye and watch the road and phone at the same time, like a heads-up display). All I know is John was a different human being than I played a few nights earlier and that's a fact. He's NOT the goofball player, like Lou's photoshop pics show.
That may be true, but anyone who's ever seen his CTE videos on youtube will attest to the fact that he frequently steers and uses body english, just like in those pictures.
Lou's margin for winning was NOT greater than the flat-out give-up games at the beginning and had John not made an idiot decision by engaging with Eric, the outcome might have been WAAAAAAAY different.
Maybe. I still think Lou would have won, and I'm certainly not some Lou fanboy, in fact I was rooting for John to win, even though I was worried about the possible fallout of such a turn of events.
When you also pair that fact with the fact that Lou didn't have the heart to take the entire bet with his own money -- and if he was forced to, the entire match could have flipped upside down for sure.
Again, this may or may not be true. However, it is impossible to know for sure about these things. I know that I personally hate being staked, and have only accepted an offer of playing for other peoples money once. It was one of the most nervewrecking experiences of my life.
In short, when I played John in private, he played 100% better than Lou did in every single game in that entire set....prob because he was an inch from getting bashed-in and because Lou had a free roll by taking a very small % of his full bet.
I don't think anyone is unaffected by playing for big money. I remember watching the IPT final between Sigel and Reyes, and watching two of the best players ever making silly rookie mistakes, miscuing, missing balls, mental errors etc. That may have something to do with the pricemoney and prestige, don't you think?
Had Michael NOT given Lou a "heart injection" and gave him "permission" to play, this thread wouldn't have existed because there's zero chance Lou would have showed up with that cash on his own... like John did for himself.

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I played JB at the expo last year, briefly playing him some one pocket just to get a good feel for how the match would go in a few days. The John that played me that night and the John that stepped into the ring with Lou were two completely people from two different solar systems. John played very solid one pocket against me, was rock-steady and made good decisions.
10k is a lot of money to bet on pool. I guess it could give anyone a rubber arm.
The bottom line is moments before John played Lou, Eric Hu was probably a blink of an eye from bashing John's face in for opening his mouth about playing some --- which not only caught Eric by surprise, but Eric didn't like the tone and content of the comment and basically put John in a "check" that probably shot John's heart-rate into orbit.
John played terribly the first couple of games for sure.
To be clear, John had zero business even LOOKING at Eric, given their history and probably deserved whatever Eric told him (I'm not knocking Eric for what happened or what was said). That said, it was evident to me that it took John a while to calm down and settle his nerves and he flat-out "GAVE" Lou the first collection of games.
Don't know about the Eric thing, as I only watched the stream. But John certainly played worse for the first couple of games.
I watched the stream from my phone while driving south on I-95 on my way to a client's location and HOW I DIDN'T wreck was beyond me (I held the phone in front of my left eye and watch the road and phone at the same time, like a heads-up display). All I know is John was a different human being than I played a few nights earlier and that's a fact. He's NOT the goofball player, like Lou's photoshop pics show.
That may be true, but anyone who's ever seen his CTE videos on youtube will attest to the fact that he frequently steers and uses body english, just like in those pictures.
Lou's margin for winning was NOT greater than the flat-out give-up games at the beginning and had John not made an idiot decision by engaging with Eric, the outcome might have been WAAAAAAAY different.
Maybe. I still think Lou would have won, and I'm certainly not some Lou fanboy, in fact I was rooting for John to win, even though I was worried about the possible fallout of such a turn of events.
When you also pair that fact with the fact that Lou didn't have the heart to take the entire bet with his own money -- and if he was forced to, the entire match could have flipped upside down for sure.
Again, this may or may not be true. However, it is impossible to know for sure about these things. I know that I personally hate being staked, and have only accepted an offer of playing for other peoples money once. It was one of the most nervewrecking experiences of my life.
In short, when I played John in private, he played 100% better than Lou did in every single game in that entire set....prob because he was an inch from getting bashed-in and because Lou had a free roll by taking a very small % of his full bet.
I don't think anyone is unaffected by playing for big money. I remember watching the IPT final between Sigel and Reyes, and watching two of the best players ever making silly rookie mistakes, miscuing, missing balls, mental errors etc. That may have something to do with the pricemoney and prestige, don't you think?
Had Michael NOT given Lou a "heart injection" and gave him "permission" to play, this thread wouldn't have existed because there's zero chance Lou would have showed up with that cash on his own... like John did for himself.

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I was betting far more, by many multiples, than I have ever bet on a pool game in my life.

It is perhaps hard to understand, if you have not been in the situation, but once the game begins the pressure is just there. It was the pressure of both playing for my money and playing on another man's money. But the pressure was the pressure -- sort of like a white noise -- and you can't quantify it by a dollar amount because after a certain point it's just there.

Like I said, it's hard to understand if you haven't done it and it's all too easy to cast aspersions about free rolls from the sidelines.

I guess I would like to say one other thing that I have long felt but never said, but since the Eric thing has been brought up... I believe that John purposely tried to incite a fight with Eric.

Eric was minding his own business when JB challenged him to play right before our match and kept goading him and would not stop. At the time it happened I remember thinking to myself, "there will be no match" because they were seconds from pounding on each other and JB would have claimed he was in no shape to play the match. Fortunately, Mitch intervened and they separated.

But in hindsight, I think that was John's plan. Perhaps not all along but something he thought of on the spur of the moment -- to get in a fight so he could weasel out of playing the $10K match, just like he had weaseled out of all the side bets be had crowed about covering. He knew he was in a bad game and figured a few bops on the noggin would be worth it to escape. What he didn't foresee was that they would both pick up pool balls right before they stood nose-to-nose. Suddenly the damage he was going to suffer went up exponentially. If not for that, they scuffle, John gets hurt and calls off the match.

Lou Figueroa
 
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I was betting far more, by many multiples, than I have ever bet on a pool game in my life.

It is perhaps hard to understand, if you have not been in the situation, but once the game begins the pressure is just there. It was the pressure of both playing for my money and playing on another man's money. But the pressure was the pressure -- sort of like a white noise -- and you can't quantify it by a dollar amount because after a certain point it's just there.

Like I said, it's hard to understand if you haven't done it and it's all too easy to cast aspersions about free rolls from the sidelines.

Lou Figueroa
I can only imagine what John must've felt, since he doesn't bet like that either and still came with the entire bet.
 
I can only imagine what John must've felt, since he doesn't bet like that either and still came with the entire bet.

He sure made it sound as though he's gone through big bets, days of decent betting and was around tons of large bets. I expected it to be much, much closer. Not sure if they were both off.. or what exactly the deal was.. it wasn't pretty, that's for sure.
 
There were several polls taken in the run up to the match. Every one of them showed that the populace here considered John the favorite by a wide margin.

Lou Figueroa
From what I saw you're about 10-7, 10-8 the favorite.

But, allow me to rephrase my question...

How big of a spot would John have to give you for you to take 100% of your own action?
 
He sure made it sound as though he's gone through big bets, days of decent betting and was around tons of large bets. I expected it to be much, much closer. Not sure if they were both off.. or what exactly the deal was.. it wasn't pretty, that's for sure.


It wasn't pretty. But remember: we are both amateurs.

It was supposed to be ugly and that's one of the reasons it drew a lot of interest. Two average guys in a big match. And given that consideration, as well as taking into account all the lead up, the feud, the woofing, the insults, the bet, the live crowd, and the three streaming cameras... I say we played pretty fooking good.

Lou Figueroa
 
From what I saw you're about 10-7, 10-8 the favorite.

But, allow me to rephrase my question...

How big of a spot would John have to give you for you to take 100% of your own action?


The issue, for me was that (unlike John), I have never claimed to be a big gambler. I have always said I'm like a $10/$20 a game player. So honestly, I wasn't sure I'd be able to hit the end rail for $10,000. No idea. I also had to take into consideration that as an amateur, I know from past experience that it is impossible for me to predict which Lou is going to show up for a match.

Now, having seen what it's like, the finances would probably be different for a rematch, though I think the possibility of that is remote for a good number of reasons. Also, I would not cut off the guy that stood behind me the first time and would always allow him in, if he wanted in. That would be a matter of respect and honor for me. In addition, there are several other guys that I owe for their support and if they wanted it, I would also let them in.

Beating John was never, for me, just about the money.

Lou Figueroa
 
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