One Year Ago Today

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There were several polls taken in the run up to the match. Every one of them showed that the populace here considered John the favorite by a wide margin.

Lou Figueroa

Not surprised you interpreted those polls all wrong, what they showed was the dislike
people had for one of the players in the match, lol. I'll let you guess who that was!

I forgot their name, oh, but isn't that what this thread is all about. :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
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I don't consider it gloating.

It's been a year and I felt like commemorating an event that pretty much consumed the group for several months. People (admittedly not all) were into it. Countless threads, posts, polls, and photoshops. We had 800 viewers on the stream the first night. It was a big feud 15 years in the making, a big bet, and a big event.

Lou Figueroa

It's gloating.
 
Not where it counted, in the action room. You were easily a couple ball favorite by anybody who bothered getting a line on the match.

What I would really like to know is the sequence of how you accepted the challenge. Did Michael approach you and offer to stake you and then you accepted?

My take is this was a vendetta by Michael L. You know Michael considered John his bitter enemy. Your situation and with John on TILT was a chance for him to get revenge. Years before your match, John and Michael got into it and John tried to get Michael's phone number to discuss their differences and inadvertently called his mother. Michael was furious. I mention this because somehow I got in the middle of it when Michael approached me on the subject. John felt bad about it but I don't think Michael believed it.

I do not think Michael is a bad guy at all, by the way. I believe he is a good guy and likes pool. I just think he carried a very nasty grudge against someone who was unwise to engage. He is also very smart. He saw you as an opportunity for revenge.

By the way, all this talk blaming John for only his antics, which were way overboard and out-of-line, seem to ignore the your little digs and posturing.

Was the purpose of this ongoing goading and wishing him and his family well to steal more money from John?

Like I said Lou, a little man.


You may find this difficult to believe but I had little knowledge of what had gone on before between JB and ML. (As a side note, I was also unaware of what had gone on between ML and MH -- that came as a surprise.)

Mike approached me a few years before. I didn't even know who he was. His name was vaguely familiar from AZ. So when he made an offer of going in with me against JB I had to ask him to allow me a few days to vet him with guys I knew in his area. They all confirmed that Mike was a good guy to have in your corner and good for whatever dough he pledged. So that's how that happened. (BTW, originally ML wasn't even going to fly out for the match. It wasn't until close to the date that he decided he wanted to go.)

And it was only as we got closer to the match that I started to understand that there was bad blood (and a lot of it) between them.

Over the years John has pissed off a lot of people and lots of the guys that tried to bet with him in the Action Room were out for more than money -- they wanted a pound of flesh too, so there is no doubt that revenge was a factor in many quarters. JB himself made many, many, many comments before the match alluding to his desire to squash me for a wide variety of reasons.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Not surprised you interpreted those polls all wrong, what they showed was the dislike
people had for one of the players in the match, lol. I'll let you guess who that was !


No. What it showed was that people don't understand a lot of things when it comes to 1pocket, a match of this type, and that few had a true knowledge of how JB and I respectively played.

Even reading the post-match posts by all the arm chair analysts I was surprised by how differently the match was viewed by different folks. Some said it was close, some said we played well, some said we played like crap, some said I was never in danger of losing the match, some said I was lucky to win. It was all over the place.

Lou Figueroa
 
Another average day at AZ.
With just one more I'm important, look at me thread.

The difference is this one comes off as a:
Please, :happydance:Please, :happydance:Please, :happydance:Look at me thread
 
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You may find this difficult to believe but I had little knowledge of what had gone on before between JB and ML. (As a side note, I was also unaware of what had gone on between ML and MH -- that came as a surprise.)

Lou Figueroa

I do believe that now - thank you for answering. Maybe it will help me to change my attitude toward your end of the match. You won. That's all you need to say.
 
Another average day at AZ.
With just one more I'm important, look at me thread.

The difference is this one comes off as a:
Please, :happydance:Please, :happydance:Please, :happydance:Look at me thread


And thanks for your numerous posts to this thread to keep it going ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
No. What it showed was that people don't understand a lot of things when it comes to 1pocket, a match of this type, and that few had a true knowledge of how JB and I respectively played.

Even reading the post-match posts by all the arm chair analysts I was surprised by how differently the match was viewed by different folks. Some said it was close, some said we played well, some said we played like crap, some said I was never in danger of losing the match, some said I was lucky to win. It was all over the place.

Lou Figueroa

I'm in the "final score was closer than the match overall" camp. And I was really hoping both players would get enough games to have some pride at the end, which they did.

All that said, it looked to me like 9-7 would be even in the long run, assuming no one's game has moved up or down since the match. Lou's going to 9 and John to 7.
 
I'm in the "final score was closer than the match overall" camp. And I was really hoping both players would get enough games to have some pride at the end, which they did.

All that said, it looked to me like 9-7 would be even in the long run, assuming no one's game has moved up or down since the match.Lou's going to 9 and John to 7.

That would be assuming Barton has not gone on another 6 month, 'all consuming' quest, to improve his 1P game..(and his stroke)..If that were the case, Lou would only be able to give him a 1 and 15/16th of a ball spot ! :grin:
 
Yes, Nick...My eyesight is just fine, thank you! JB was running out, and on two tables at the same time. It figures that Lou would post up picture of JB's unorthodox stroke in that 1-pocket match, but Lou missed a bunch of balls too, regardless of whether he had "better form" than JB. One other thing...at least John had the balls to put up his own money...the same cannot be said for Lou.

Scott Lee
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I played JB at the expo last year, briefly playing him some one pocket just to get a good feel for how the match would go in a few days. The John that played me that night and the John that stepped into the ring with Lou were two completely people from two different solar systems. John played very solid one pocket against me, was rock-steady and made good decisions.

The bottom line is moments before John played Lou, Eric Hu was probably a blink of an eye from bashing John's face in for opening his mouth about playing some --- which not only caught Eric by surprise, but Eric didn't like the tone and content of the comment and basically put John in a "check" that probably shot John's heart-rate into orbit.

To be clear, John had zero business even LOOKING at Eric, given their history and probably deserved whatever Eric told him (I'm not knocking Eric for what happened or what was said). That said, it was evident to me that it took John a while to calm down and settle his nerves and he flat-out "GAVE" Lou the first collection of games.

I watched the stream from my phone while driving south on I-95 on my way to a client's location and HOW I DIDN'T wreck was beyond me (I held the phone in front of my left eye and watch the road and phone at the same time, like a heads-up display). All I know is John was a different human being than I played a few nights earlier and that's a fact. He's NOT the goofball player, like Lou's photoshop pics show.

Lou's margin for winning was NOT greater than the flat-out give-up games at the beginning and had John not made an idiot decision by engaging with Eric, the outcome might have been WAAAAAAAY different. When you also pair that fact with the fact that Lou didn't have the heart to take the entire bet with his own money -- and if he was forced to, the entire match could have flipped upside down for sure.

In short, when I played John in private, he played 100% better than Lou did in every single game in that entire set....prob because he was an inch from getting bashed-in and because Lou had a free roll by taking a very small % of his full bet. Had Michael NOT given Lou a "heart injection" and gave him "permission" to play, this thread wouldn't have existed because there's zero chance Lou would have showed up with that cash on his own... like John did for himself.
 
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A lot of different view points in this world...

When I see the pictures of JB in action....with his follow-through looking like a cross
between a Swan Lake ballet and a 17th century French swordsman....
....I see a guy with the heart to play for $10,000...and not waiting till his game matured.

....and lost fairly gracefully.

And I miss 86% of his posts....
...I had subscribed to a few of his that offered some excellent business advice....
....and how to handle the Internet.
 
I'm in the "final score was closer than the match overall" camp. And I was really hoping both players would get enough games to have some pride at the end, which they did.

All that said, it looked to me like 9-7 would be even in the long run, assuming no one's game has moved up or down since the match. Lou's going to 9 and John to 7.


I'm pretty helpless nowadays and have probably lost a ball in speed. John sneezes and improves a couple balls.

Lou Figueroa
 
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