Oops I did it again (Yapp's) foul in a final, a second time!

GideonF said:
Great video as always. On the question of FSR not protesting, according to Appleton, FSR told him he couldn’t see the hit because Yapp’s body was in the way. View attachment 897351
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I noticed that in the video also, but I wondered if he could see it on a screen visible from his chair. Thanks for sharing the exchange.
 
Bob Jewett said:
While the path of the cue ball does tell the story for this shot, it is not one of the simpler situations, like shooting between two frozen balls. I can see how the ref could be unsure about what a shot would look like if close to a simultaneous hit.
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A path of the cueball & The reaction of a cueball, one of the two can tell the whole story, I am sorry....it can 100% tell the whole story.

A simultaneous hit is a rare, very rare actually....let me say it again vvvvvvvvery rare, and if that happens I also can tell you that it might of happened based purely on cueball reaction and what the balls did after the shot, 100% I can tell you purely from the movement of the balls as a whole. But considering our rules in pool if that ever happen, and thats a big if here....lets say it happened where the cueball striked two balls simultaneously in the same second, then its a good hit and you cant foul anyone for that one.

But I can tell you, i always can figure out a good hit or a bad hit based on cueball reaction, and this isnt just from shooting into balls but I can also tell you from rails backhit prespective, I know what the cueball should do and what it shouldnt do, rail-first hits, rail-second hits....all that you can tell from the reaction of the balls, or the paths of them balls.

I saw a bustamante/daryl video clip above and I cannot believe how many times they kept running a slo-mo. I swear to god man there's absolutely noway to 100% determine a foul in pool by seeing the balls or squinting into the balls or even running slow-mo's, whoever keep checking videos to determine bad hits by running videos at 0.1 sec and frame by frame to see which ball was hit first, sir you're doing it wrong....100% wrong. The worst thing these guys did was going through the slow-mo over and over and over to see if its good hit or bad hit...all you need is the full-speed and watch the reaction of everything, I kept looking for a video of the whole thing but didn't find it...

Give me this Busty/Daryl video a full-speed of the actual shot, no slow-mo's and ill tell you if its a foul or not.
 
PuboH said:
I carefully replicated the shot in slomo and posted a video. The video is in Chinese, but I think the footage alone is enough. If you are interested you can watch it here

The slowmo starts at 1:06, and shows 8-first hit (almost split hit but nonetheless 8 first), 8-first hit (clearly 8-first), 4-first hit.
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Listen I don't understand anything you said, but it was a foul 1000% - maybe you're trying to justify something there but I got no clue what you were saying.
 
smoochie said:
Listen I don't understand anything you said, but it was a foul 1000% - maybe you're trying to justify something there but I got no clue what you were saying.
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I understand, that's why I said the footage alone is enough. The footage shows the drastically different behaviors of the cue ball depending on if it contacts the wrong ball first.
 
PuboH said:
I understand, that's why I said the footage alone is enough. The footage shows the drastically different behaviors of the cue ball depending on if it contacts the wrong ball first.
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When I watched it there was an English voiceover which was completely understandable to me.
 
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