oops! wrap groove cut too deep

Kelly_Guy said:
Murray T. once posted a picture that looked something like what you describe. Tapering started at the joint and moved into the points WAY too deep. It looked like the cutter got nearly to the handle before he realized it and killed the power.

That has to be a terrible feeling after a lot of work put into a cue.
Kelly
I think Willeecue did that.
I once tapered a butt with a shaft taper, backwards.:eek:
 
digital readout in diameter mode (as opposed to radius mode) is the way to go. before i made the decision to invest in the d.r.o. a good friend of mine told me, and i quote "i would stop building cues if i did not have a d.r.o.". maybe he was not 100% serious, they sure are nice, even on the simple stuff.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
Linen is not always the same thickness JER. Neither is leather. I have three 5 lb spools of black/white in my shop right now that range .021" to .027". If the linen you're working with is (say) .020", and you cut your groove .020", then you haven't allowed for pressing. After it's pressed, the wrap will be below the finish.

Maybe you don't press your linen, but I do.

My point is that you don't care about how much you are cutting off of the diameter, only that you cut the proper depth. Did you think after 20 years I didn't know that all linen is not exactly the same thickness? What I'm still trying to find out is if the linen is APPROXIMETLY .020" why is he talking about .040" & .080". Did he actually cut a wrap groove .080" deep? It doesnt mater whether each mark on the dial represents .001" or .010" you have to dial it in, so that you make a .020 (approximatly) deep groove. I'm still trying to help him, but can't find out what depth groove he actually did cut...JER
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
My point is that you don't care about how much you are cutting off of the diameter, only that you cut the proper depth. Did you think after 20 years I didn't know that all linen is not exactly the same thickness? What I'm still trying to find out is if the linen is APPROXIMETLY .020" why is he talking about .040" & .080". Did he actually cut a wrap groove .080" deep? It doesnt mater whether each mark on the dial represents .001" or .010" you have to dial it in, so that you make a .020 (approximatly) deep groove. I'm still trying to help him, but can't find out what depth groove he actually did cut...JER

He cut a .040 groove. Now you know the REST of the story...lol.
 
I am really starting to worry about you guys...:rolleyes:

I have never tapered anything the wrong way, never cut a wrap groove too deep.. or anything like that... period... :D :p :D
;)
Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Murray T. once posted a picture that looked something like what you describe. Tapering started at the joint and moved into the points WAY too deep. It looked like the cutter got nearly to the handle before he realized it and killed the power.

That has to be a terrible feeling after a lot of work put into a cue.
Kelly

Worse is dropping a finished cue on a hard floor. I now have thick rubber on every exposed area of floor you could throw a cue down and hopefully not damage it. The thing is, there are a lot of ways to damage cues in the shop. Just turning around with a cue in your hand and rapping it against some edge of a steel machine putting a huge ding in it is easy to do if you are not careful. I used to have a big pit bull and I drove around in an RV for a while, I didn't even have a car I used to bike everywhere when I could or drove the RV when I had to. I was in really good shape at the time and thought nothing of riding 20 Mlles or more at a time.

Anyway, I was in the RV and the dog loved to ride and when the RV was fired up he was right there. I was on the way to UPS with a cue and decided to make a stop. By the time I had came back out the dog had destroyed the package along with the cue. This dog by the way could bite a cue in half, we had him at the pool room and a customer playing with him was teasing him with a cue and he got a hold of it and after a few chomps along with shaking had the cue in two pieces in a few seconds.
 
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macguy said:
Worse is dropping a finished cue on a hard floor. I now have thick rubber on every exposed area of floor you could throw a cue down and hopefully not damage it. The thing is, there are a lot of ways to damage cues in the shop. Just turning around with a cue in your hand and rapping it against some edge of a steel machine putting a huge ding in it is easy to do if you are not careful. I used to have a big pit bull and I drove around in an RV for a while, I didn't even have a car I used to bike everywhere when I could or drove the RV when I had to. I was in really good shape at the time and thought nothing of riding 20 Mlles or more at a time.

Anyway, I was in the RV and the dog loved to ride and when the RV was fired up he was right there. I was on the way to UPS with a cue and decided to make a stop. By the time I had came back out the dog had destroyed the package along with the cue. This dog by the way could bite a cue in half, we had him at the pool room and a customer playing with him was teasing him with a cue and he got a hold of it and after a few chomps along with shaking had the cue in two pieces in a few seconds.

That is a good idea covering the floor. Plus, you could tell visitors it is for your sake....a padded cell for when you have a total meltdown. :D

Funny story about the dog......

Cue Maker: "Um, I'm really sorry to tell you this...my dog at your cue."
Customer: "What? I knew the stories I heard about cuemakers were true..."
Cue Maker: "No seriously, the dog chewed it in half. It will be another 9 months now."
Customer: "You guys are all the same...if you posted less on AZ you would have my cue done by now..."

Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
That is a good idea covering the floor. Plus, you could tell visitors it is for your sake....a padded cell for when you have a total meltdown. :D

Funny story about the dog......

Cue Maker: "Um, I'm really sorry to tell you this...my dog at your cue."
Customer: "What? I knew the stories I heard about cuemakers were true..."
Cue Maker: "No seriously, the dog chewed it in half. It will be another 9 months now."
Customer: "You guys are all the same...if you posted less on AZ you would have my cue done by now..."

Kelly

The stuff I bought for the floor is the stuff they sell in home depot for the floor in a child's play room. You find it in nursery schools and kindergartens, daycare centers. It comes in 2 x2 interlocking panels and isn't really that expensive. It is like an inch thick and nothing can get damaged on it.
 
mac, how can i contact you?

i wanted to talk to you about something, not the wrap groove fiasco
thanks sir
 
good thread

since this turned out to be such a good thread and everybody had fun, i'll screw something else up (shouldn't be a problem) as soon as possible and we can do it again :D
in all seriousness now, this ask the cuemaker section of az is a great thing in my opinion. i want all the guys that are always so helpful to know that thier teaching, advice, etc. is very much appreciated. they remember that they also, "started somewhere". i hope that someday i can return the favor, to some rookie, especially concerning wrap grooves!!! :) thanks to all, brent
 
Kelly_Guy said:
That is a good idea covering the floor. Plus, you could tell visitors it is for your sake....a padded cell for when you have a total meltdown. :D

Funny story about the dog......

Cue Maker: "Um, I'm really sorry to tell you this...my dog at your cue."
Customer: "What? I knew the stories I heard about cuemakers were true..."
Cue Maker: "No seriously, the dog chewed it in half. It will be another 9 months now."
Customer: "You guys are all the same...if you posted less on AZ you would have my cue done by now..."

Kelly

Here is a picture of the cue eating dog with his head sticking out of the window of his beloved bus. My RV was actually a bus I had converted to an RV like one of those things country western singers have. Buddy Hall almost lost a hand when he reached in the window thinking he could pet the dog. He had pit bulls but this one was human aggression and could not be trusted. He only liked my wife and I and did bite through my arm once I still have the scars.

You never worried when you were traveling though, when we slept he always stayed awake and sat in the drivers seat, one look from him keep anyone at a safe distance. When he bit me my wife and I were having a loud fight and he was watching and at a point took sides and attacked me, knocking me off my feet biting me in the arm, hip and leg before my wife's yelling made him stop.
 

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macguy said:
When he bit me my wife and I were having a loud fight and he was watching and at a point took sides and attacked me, knocking me off my feet biting me in the arm, hip and leg before my wife's yelling made him stop.

OUCH! :eek:

It sounds like that dog belongs to your wife, and he tolerates you. :o

Kelly
 
stix4sale said:
since this turned out to be such a good thread and everybody had fun, i'll screw something else up (shouldn't be a problem) as soon as possible and we can do it again :D

I look forward to the day I will be in a position to screw something up. :D
Kelly
 
I have 2 alternatives for you...

One is a South American fix - Find someone with an Amazon Parrot -
have them collect fresh Parrot do-do (they do do it 100 times a day), so
it will not take long. Now put the fresh do-do on the grooved potion of the butt. When it dries, it is harder than CEMENT. Sand to desired
depth, and wrap it up.

or Put an Elephant Wrap on it .... <smile>
 
Kelly_Guy said:
OUCH! :eek:

It sounds like that dog belongs to your wife, and he tolerates you. :o

Kelly

He has been dead for about 12 years he died at 13 of cancer. When we got him you could carry him in the palm of your hand but he eventually topped out at 85 pounds. He was with my wife 24 hours a day but I would say at about the age of 2 he began becoming aggressive and we had to be very careful with him. We never took him out in public without a muzzle. He liked the muzzle, he knew as soon as the muzzle came out fun things were going to happen.

He was strange in that he liked other dogs and animal. He could be in the yard and a opossum could walk by and he paid no attention, he only went for people. We were accused a few time of maybe having abused the dog because the way he was but we raised him like a baby, it was just something in him. He had his own room and slept on a single bed. You would tell him time for bed and he would go in and hop on the bed and sleep with his head on the pillow.

He could clime ladders, trees, jump 6 foot fences, learn tricks in like five minutes, except for wanting to bite people he was really a unique dog I guess that is why we were so hesitant to put him to sleep. His father cracked the windshield of a van he was in with his head trying to get at somebody so I guess we did have a clue he may have a dark side. I guess this has gotten too far off of pool so that's enough about my dog, he was pretty neat though.
 
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