Opinions on he price of a DVD full of old pool photos

BillPorter

BillPorter

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I would appreciate your serious consideration of an appropriate price for a DVD that contains image files, suitable for printing, of all of the old pool photos that Mike Haines and I have put up in our galleries on Smugmug. Here is a listing of the images the DVD would contain:

1980 Las Vegas tournament 44
1980 Rocky Mountain 9-Ball Open 33
1981 Austin tournament 22
1984 Austin tournament 41
1982 Dayton Open 50
1983-1984 Dayton tournaments 22
1983-84 Reds Tournaments 163
1984-1985 Clyde Childress tourneys 28
1986 Clyde Childress Tournament 150
1987 Mosconi exhibition 13
Miscellaneous Pool Photos 28
Total number of old pool photos = 594

So what do you think we should charge for this DVD with almost 600 images, most from the 1980-1986 time period? Your comments will be appreciated.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Ok, I'll start...............

How about $18.99.
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Hmmm... While I think this is a good price.. I think you would make more money selling framed copies of some of these pictures. People always like having good pictures of champions up in their rec room / pool hall, (I know I would) and would be willing to pay the price for it.

Invest in a nice photo quality printer and some decent frames, and I think you'd be surprised at the response you'd get. I could see myself spending $150-$200 on pics to hang up in my rec room when I get back from Iraq.

Imagine having that pic of Efren from John Grissim's book hanging up on the wall. That would be just about the pimpest thing ever. Real players who come over would take one look at it and say "Holy S**t! That's Efren when he's like 18!".

Really depends on what your intention is. If you are just wanting to contribute to keeping the old memories alive, the price above is fine. If you want to make a little bit of money, which I don't think anyone would blame you for, sell framed pics from a website that allows you to pick which pictures you want printed, framed, and shipped.

Russ
 
I mean, seriously. Wouldn't you pay $15-$20 to get this pic on your wall?

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Russ
 
Old Pics

Russ Chewning said:
Hmmm... While I think this is a good price.. I think you would make more money selling framed copies of some of these pictures. People always like having good pictures of champions up in their rec room / pool hall, (I know I would) and would be willing to pay the price for it.

Invest in a nice photo quality printer and some decent frames, and I think you'd be surprised at the response you'd get. I could see myself spending $150-$200 on pics to hang up in my rec room when I get back from Iraq.

Imagine having that pic of Efren from John Grissim's book hanging up on the wall. That would be just about the pimpest thing ever. Real players who come over would take one look at it and say "Holy S**t! That's Efren when he's like 18!".

Really depends on what your intention is. If you are just wanting to contribute to keeping the old memories alive, the price above is fine. If you want to make a little bit of money, which I don't think anyone would blame you for, sell framed pics from a website that allows you to pick which pictures you want printed, framed, and shipped.

Russ
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I agree with Russ. In fact, I bought two of your pics on Ebay of Wille Hoppe. They were $6.00 apiece shipped in cannisters without frames. I am a Willie Hoppe fan and was happy to get the pics. I had them framed and they hang in my pool room at home. Whatever you decide, keep me in mind for I am in the market for more pics of ld times.

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"
 
BillPorter said:
I would appreciate your serious consideration of an appropriate price for a DVD that contains image files, suitable for printing, of all of the old pool photos that Mike Haines and I have put up in our galleries on Smugmug. Here is a listing of the images the DVD would contain:

1980 Las Vegas tournament 44
1980 Rocky Mountain 9-Ball Open 33
1981 Austin tournament 22
1984 Austin tournament 41
1982 Dayton Open 50
1983-1984 Dayton tournaments 22
1983-84 Reds Tournaments 163
1984-1985 Clyde Childress tourneys 28
1986 Clyde Childress Tournament 150
1987 Mosconi exhibition 13
Miscellaneous Pool Photos 28
Total number of old pool photos = 594

So what do you think we should charge for this DVD with almost 600 images, most from the 1980-1986 time period? Your comments will be appreciated.
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.....Bill......1 dvd with all those pictures should be worth atleast $39.99 plus shipping. I agree also that alot of people would buy enlarged pictures of you photos. but why go thru all that. i think you could make more money off the dvd......................mike
 
Thanks to all for your replies!

Thanks to everyone who replied. I am writing this post from a terminal at the IPT tournament in Reno. It's down to six players and there is some great 8-ball being played. Later......
 
I hate to hit a sour note, but, aren't there some legal issues involved with selling pictures of people, without their permission or compensation?

If you are selling these images, I have to ask if you have releases from everyone involved and if they are being compensated?

This could play a huge part in how much you can afford to sell them for.
 
Rich R. said:
I hate to hit a sour note, but, aren't there some legal issues involved with selling pictures of people, without their permission or compensation?

If you are selling these images, I have to ask if you have releases from everyone involved and if they are being compensated?

This could play a huge part in how much you can afford to sell them for.
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If that were true, there would be no paparazzi.

I think that's pretty much "'Nuff Said".

Russ
 
I wish copyright was that simple!

Russ Chewning said:
If that were true, there would be no paparazzi.

I think that's pretty much "'Nuff Said".

Russ
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Russ,

Easy to say but in truth it all depends on the situation each image was taken in. There are lawyers that make entire careers out of the complexity and vagueness of copyright law.

Generally speaking it is easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission but if people start sending cease and desist orders or wanting a cut then it is best to take the CD off the market and eat any expenses not already met. If he is selling a single image that should require a model's release, copyright violation starts at $30,000 plus civil liability.

Remember the guy on the Taster's Choice coffee label and coupon? He had signed a model's release but specified other usage. He won fifteen million!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Russ,

Easy to say but in truth it all depends on the situation each image was taken in. There are lawyers that make entire careers out of the complexity and vagueness of copyright law.

Generally speaking it is easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission but if people start sending cease and desist orders or wanting a cut then it is best to take the CD off the market and eat any expenses not already met. If he is selling a single image that should require a model's release, copyright violation starts at $30,000 plus civil liability.

Remember the guy on the Taster's Choice coffee label and coupon? He had signed a model's release but specified other usage. He won fifteen million!

Hu
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Well, maybe I made my argument too simplistic.

If the players were photographed during the tournament, I expect the price of admission for spectators pays for implied consent by the tournament promoter to allow spectators to photograph the players. I would believe this would fall under the same laws that allow one to take a photograph on any other sports field, and sell the photos.

The only way I see the OP getting in trouble here is if the person who took the photographs did not give consent. I was under the impression that Mr. Porter either took a lot of these, or has already asked the people who gave him the pictures to allow this retail selling.

Russ
 
pretty safe during play

You are right that during actual play the images are probably fine to sell, not totally guaranteed but at least solidly in a gray area that could make it foolish for either party to litigate. I haven't seen anything resembling all of the photo's but some seemed to be in other settings. That is when things can get a little tricky.

I do hope that the CD is published, I just didn't want Bill to invest dollars without even considering the possibility of headaches. As a largely former outdoor photographer I have been on both sides of some of the copyright issues and the whole mess can get crazy.

Hu



Russ Chewning said:
Well, maybe I made my argument too simplistic.

If the players were photographed during the tournament, I expect the price of admission for spectators pays for implied consent by the tournament promoter to allow spectators to photograph the players. I would believe this would fall under the same laws that allow one to take a photograph on any other sports field, and sell the photos.

The only way I see the OP getting in trouble here is if the person who took the photographs did not give consent. I was under the impression that Mr. Porter either took a lot of these, or has already asked the people who gave him the pictures to allow this retail selling.

Russ
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Russ Chewning said:
If that were true, there would be no paparazzi.

I think that's pretty much "'Nuff Said".

Russ
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Russ, the laws that protect the paparazzi are the same laws the protect news photographers. They, in effect, are reporting the news and are protected by the copy right laws. It is the same when someone on this forum posts pictures from a tournament, without permission. Also, the paparazzi are selling the photographs to news organizations and they are not selling individual copies.

Since Bill's photos are many years old, they can no longer be considered "news" and he is not protected. The fact that he is selling individual copies, or CD's, of the photos also makes the situation much different. I'm no lawyer, but I have read a little about the copy right laws, for my own protection, and I think Bill should be very careful. He may end up on the wrong end of a court action.
 
Russ Chewning said:
If the players were photographed during the tournament, I expect the price of admission for spectators pays for implied consent by the tournament promoter to allow spectators to photograph the players. I would believe this would fall under the same laws that allow one to take a photograph on any other sports field, and sell the photos.
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I'm sorry Russ, but under the law, there is no permission granted or implied.
This does not mean you can not take the pictures for your own pleasure. It just means you can not legally sell the pictures.
 
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