Opinions on personal protection
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Coos Cues
And my good friend Bobby died from it after a long drawn out painful ordeal yesterday having caught it no one knows where and he was a mask guy.
PariahZero
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My brother’s a dentist. His occupational hazard is the stuff his patients spew out of their mouths at him — and that was before 2020. He put it to me this way:
Masks protect the wearer from disease the same way diapers protects a baby if it crawls over another baby’s poop smear.
They don’t. They can’t. It’s not even what a diaper is for. The diaper usually keeps baby’s waste contained around its own pelvis. Usually.
Masks protect a lot like a diaper. They usually keep your germs next to your face. Masks protect others from you.
That’s why doctors want everybody to wear a “face diaper”. To try to keep the overall “poop” level down.
I'm an old guy, tend to like old systems.
Or at least be open to what worked about them for a few hundred years before modern chemistry.
Old finishes and "patina" work for me.
Even in high end furniture, finishes have gravitated toward epoxy/polyurethanes/polyester.
Something i read once "clarified" it for me: "whatever the system, they are all still trying to capture the look & clarity of a true french polished finish"
Of course there is another aspect to the evolution of finishes: Do you maintain it? Which used to be expected and understood?
Or do you put something "permanent" (hopefully?) on it?
A third factor is market driven - if everyone else does it, how do you sell an alternative. Especially into a market with little tradition and no finish history. Fashion: what is the patina in 20 years of light maintenance vs under a coat of glass that needs stripped and recoated. Fundamentally, it's fashion & taste, which is all arbitrary and influenced by the times.....and again...."what everyone else does", "what is the standard look of the times".
Anyway, if you sell into a standardized market and make "quite a few" cues/year sold to random customers, i imagine modern car/boat/aero industry finishes are essential. If you make a few cues/year and don't care about pleasing the masses while reducing your finishing loads, french polish with fresh, shop mixed shellacs is the way it was done until nitro came along in the 30's and was not widely adopted until the late 50's. Shellac is superior to nitro because it does not soften from handling, and is easy to clean and repolish, or ever strip with alcohol and start again.
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Not interested in "converting" anyone. Any type of sales is market driven and experiments cost money. All systems have learning curves and few are "instant". They also depend on customer perceptions and expectations. Small amounts of alcohol will damage shellac instantly. Water less so, but more so that car finishes. OTOH, a french polish job is easy to fix, almost "instantly" if the finish is (correctly) not overly built up as original.
Primarily, my suggestion would be to people like so many of us, that just make a few cues/year for self, and maybe for some friends and relatives. We don't have the shop space for dedicated rotisserie booths, or supplied air hoods and incinerator vapor processing; maybe live among close neighbors, and the investment to stay safe or to spray in general could be as big an investment as the mechanical cue making machinery. As with any finish system research, and test, test, test on what is not a final product. You might like a given system. You might not.
smt
PS, per the other mask discussion drift: since retiring, my wife walks a few miles everyday. She has met and become friends with neighbors we mostly only nodded to in the past. Yesterday she learned from one she had not seen in a while that at least a 1/2 dozen locals, almost all "deniers" had been hospitalized recently, a couple of the more (visibly) healthy had nearly died. Many contracted it at one church event.
I'm taking a couple lessons: keep avoiding church, keep wearing my mask in the lift lines on the ski slope, otherwise stay in the shop and avoid people until after my second shot in a couple weeks.
Or at least be open to what worked about them for a few hundred years before modern chemistry.
Old finishes and "patina" work for me.
Even in high end furniture, finishes have gravitated toward epoxy/polyurethanes/polyester.
Something i read once "clarified" it for me: "whatever the system, they are all still trying to capture the look & clarity of a true french polished finish"
Of course there is another aspect to the evolution of finishes: Do you maintain it? Which used to be expected and understood?
Or do you put something "permanent" (hopefully?) on it?
A third factor is market driven - if everyone else does it, how do you sell an alternative. Especially into a market with little tradition and no finish history. Fashion: what is the patina in 20 years of light maintenance vs under a coat of glass that needs stripped and recoated. Fundamentally, it's fashion & taste, which is all arbitrary and influenced by the times.....and again...."what everyone else does", "what is the standard look of the times".
Anyway, if you sell into a standardized market and make "quite a few" cues/year sold to random customers, i imagine modern car/boat/aero industry finishes are essential. If you make a few cues/year and don't care about pleasing the masses while reducing your finishing loads, french polish with fresh, shop mixed shellacs is the way it was done until nitro came along in the 30's and was not widely adopted until the late 50's. Shellac is superior to nitro because it does not soften from handling, and is easy to clean and repolish, or ever strip with alcohol and start again.
fresh mixed shellac (not the stuff pre-mixed in cans) - check
on wood, shellac - check
properly used, with shellac the finish is in the wood, so should not be built up like an auto clear. Within that context, the wood might splinter if your tool geometry and process is not good, but the shellac won't crack
shellac - check
shellac - check - before epoxy base coats shellac was the primary component of the better sanding sealers. It does take some technique and understanding with cocobola & oily woods
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oddly, the largest market for shellac is pills and shiny candies. (absent the alcohol) it is edible.
Not interested in "converting" anyone. Any type of sales is market driven and experiments cost money. All systems have learning curves and few are "instant". They also depend on customer perceptions and expectations. Small amounts of alcohol will damage shellac instantly. Water less so, but more so that car finishes. OTOH, a french polish job is easy to fix, almost "instantly" if the finish is (correctly) not overly built up as original.
Primarily, my suggestion would be to people like so many of us, that just make a few cues/year for self, and maybe for some friends and relatives. We don't have the shop space for dedicated rotisserie booths, or supplied air hoods and incinerator vapor processing; maybe live among close neighbors, and the investment to stay safe or to spray in general could be as big an investment as the mechanical cue making machinery. As with any finish system research, and test, test, test on what is not a final product. You might like a given system. You might not.
smt
PS, per the other mask discussion drift: since retiring, my wife walks a few miles everyday. She has met and become friends with neighbors we mostly only nodded to in the past. Yesterday she learned from one she had not seen in a while that at least a 1/2 dozen locals, almost all "deniers" had been hospitalized recently, a couple of the more (visibly) healthy had nearly died. Many contracted it at one church event.
I'm taking a couple lessons: keep avoiding church, keep wearing my mask in the lift lines on the ski slope, otherwise stay in the shop and avoid people until after my second shot in a couple weeks.
many die or have big issues later in life that work around all types of fumes. so taking all the best possible precautions is paramount. just because you dont see or smell it it can be killing you slowly.
if you must use, then when outside have a fan blowing behind you. and if indoors the best system money can buy and be prepared for issues later in life.
the good part after you are gone your cues will be worth more.
if you must use, then when outside have a fan blowing behind you. and if indoors the best system money can buy and be prepared for issues later in life.
the good part after you are gone your cues will be worth more.
so finally in February, my wife and I both got the covid. We have no Idea where we got it..... no one we know had it at the same time.................. it was like a bad cold with loss of taste and smell and some unexplainable aches and pains............... stayed away from the pool hall for 2 weeks.................... I feel fine ... my wife has some fatigue........... taste and smell almost back to normal
Kim
