Here are both pics, rotated to match perimeter chips/lines. Different photo lighting, but that's clearly the same cue as the one on reddit:
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Opinions on this cue?
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Helmstetter/Miki were the two main guys.
Yes! Helmstetter was who I was thinking of.
Did the Adam classic series have 5/16 14 joint pins?
Several things make me question this as an Adam cue - the inside of the butt cap does not look like an Adam, the joint pin size - usually 5/16 18, the base of the point/ veneers at the wrap area, A butt cap with some sort of ivory appearance, The cue resembles more of an RB Bushka model than anything else to me - just guessing - not that it is an RB - but it may be a custom maker - puzzled about no signature though - this is a tough one to guess - I have a very similar cue - bought on this site as a possible Adam as well - just not sure. My “Adam” has much thicker silver joint rings as well.
Yes.
Thanks - but were the silver joint rings thicker than what we see on this cue? I thought so
Originally, yes. When the Adam Balabushka replica series came out, I believe something like 2000 or so, the joint rings were thicker. As you can see in the website post of the current series posted by Deadstick, the rings are thinner now. The ones on this cue are very thin. If an Adam cue, probably a later one. Another possibility is other Asian unmarked cue. There are thousands of Asian cues made these days to look like some older designs. Just another possibility, especially since there is no typical signature on this one.
outrider1
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It's in the 2nd blue book of Cues, Richard Black maker
Pm me.
Although it's loosely based on Richard's "Bushka" model, that's not what you have. The differences:
The rings on your joint collars are too thin and placed too close to the center to be one of Richard's. Richard's were thicker trim rings, and placed more where original Bushka rings are.
Those are not Richard's points. The veneers in your cue have varying thicknesses. That was never the case with Richard's. The veneers are always even thickness.
Richard normally did these cues with a white delrin buttplate, and a smaller than normal rubber bumper, screwed into the weight bolt. It looks like your cue has a bumper that is the standard one inch, black, whereas Richard's were smaller, and brown color. I can't tell if your bumper screws into the weight bolt. If it doesn't, not Richard's.
You can do a quick search on Richard Black Bushka cue, and you can see that's not what you have. Check the third cue in my avatar, and that's how the buttsleeve looks on the real one. Note the differences in spacing of the ring treatments.
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Back to square one.
Flakeandrun
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Much more likely, or other Asian import. But anyone who thinks this is a Richard Black is in for a disappointment.
Imo, I don't think so. Looks like the butt cap is thinner on one side in the right pic than the left pic. Perhaps I need glasses?? Lol.
Perhaps.
You need glasses
All the chips and scratches match perfectly if you look closely - they're like two identical fingerprints. At a glance they look different becase the lighting is so different, and the one on the right is slightly blurry, but zoom in and the scratches all around the perimeter are a perfect match.
Thanks dude. I should've done that B4 chiming in w my 2¢!!You need glasses
All the chips and scratches match perfectly if you look closely - they're like two identical fingerprints. At a glance they look different becase the lighting is so different, and the one on the right is slightly blurry, but zoom in and the scratches all around the perimeter are a perfect match.
I just hope you didn't buy this cue, thinking it was a Richard Black.Thanks dude. I should've done that B4 chiming in w my 2¢!!
All the best,
WW