Original Palmer or cheap?

Nine Ball

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Hello,

I don't know much about the old Palmer cues and this had me wondering. Did someone get the buy of the year or is this one of the newer cheap ones? I had a Palmer 1x2 box case that said Palmer Custom Cues on it and I got $120 for it years ago so I was curious. Also, If you look for Palmer in completed items there are a few that sold for $300 and up with this same signature and ring work on the butt plate.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160122165790
 
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Nine Ball said:
Hello,

I don't know much about the old Palmer cues and this had me wondering. Did someone get the buy of the year or is this one of the newer cheap ones? I had a Palmer 1x2 box case that said Palmer Custom Cues on it and I got $120 for it years ago so I was curious. Also, If you look for Palmer in completed items there are a few that sold for $300 and up with this same signature and ring work on the butt plate.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160122165790


this is one of the cheaper palmers made by competition billiards in Japan
 
This is from the now out of business Palmer Custom Cues as noted previously, and is not one of the cheap new cues. This was a tremendous bargain unless it is cracked in half. Just the shaft, if straight would have been worth the money. I haven't seen this particular model for sale for years, and it looks to be in top notch condition.
 
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The Real Deal ......

I sold one of these several years ago for $750.00 on eBay. Congratulations "Phinmole" for a great score on an Authentic Palmer ...
 
Str8PoolPlayer said:
I sold one of these several years ago for $750.00 on eBay. Congratulations "Phinmole" for a great score on an Authentic Palmer ...

This happens occasionally on E-bay, a gift auction. You have to hit that Buy-It-Now button very fast sometimes. It will be back up for sale soon on E-Bay, I'm sure, for at least $500.

The PB line cues were made by Adam, Japan to Palmer specs and were a production line cue made and sold mostly in the 1980's. Still, they were a popular player cue, very well built, and get pretty good prices. These box cues are among the more unusual and popular styles.

Chris
 
Methodman201 said:
HaHa.... I know Phinmole. Lucky guy and Is great to deal with.


I've known phin mole for a while online of course. He's been on my aol buddy list for years and we have done a few transactions together. I just spoke with him through e-mail and he said it's exactly what I thought and he wouldn't take less than $500 for it. Felix sure is one lucky eBay shopper. heh.
 
Now how do you like this!

TATE said:
This happens occasionally on E-bay, a gift auction. You have to hit that Buy-It-Now button very fast sometimes. It will be back up for sale soon on E-Bay, I'm sure, for at least $500.

The PB line cues were made by Adam, Japan to Palmer specs and were a production line cue made and sold mostly in the 1980's. Still, they were a popular player cue, very well built, and get pretty good prices. These box cues are among the more unusual and popular styles.

Chris
You might not believe this but Palmers had no tennons! The were of a very primative conctruction. That is in my opinion why they went the way of the dinosour. Think about it. No tendons.
The cues made in Japan though knock off were made basicly by Helmsterre in the Adams factory. To collectors they have less value. But the funny thing is and it just hit me reading Tates comments is their construction was very far superior to the Americian made beauties that did not have the advantages of tennon consctuction!
Although the materials and quality of workmanship weren't there. The construction techniques on these cues were light years ahead of the collectable production predecessors.
Nick : PS
I like that cue!
 
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nick serdula said:
You might not believe this but Palmers had no tendons! The were of a very primative conctruction. That is in my opinion why they went the way of the dinosour. Think about it. No tendons.
The cues made in Japan though knock off were made basicly by Helmsterre in the Adams factory. To collectors they have less value. But the funny thing is and it just hit me reading Tates comments is their construction was very far superior to the Americian made beauties that did not have the advantages of tendon consctuction!
Although the materials and quality of workmanship weren't there. The construction techniques on these cues were light years ahead of the collectable production predecessors.
Nick : PS
I like that cue!

Nick,

Palmers made extensive use of tenons and splices in their construction techniques including handle to forearm if that's what you're referring too, and pioneered many of the joint improvements and techniques used to build cues. Don't forget, Palmer also sold parts to the cue makers of the day including Balabushka, Szamboti, and most other custom makers.

Most of the older Palmer I have have held up extremely well compared to other 40 year old cues. They also used hidden splices but abandoned the technique in favor of internal tenons, some of which were very complex. If you look at the way the way a Model M or a Model L or a Model 20 are put together, take them apart and see the multiple tenons throughout the cue, you would see why they were difficult to make.

Their inlay work was the best of their era and they used quality materials throughout. In fact, they used tenons and splices for all their internal connections and I have never seen a Palmer splice or connection come apart.

In general, the weakness of Palmers and other cues of their ilk was the use of decorative plastics, which was a fad at the time and are not a solid thing to use on a cue that gets knocked and banged around.

The earlier Palmers were not "production" cues. They were made to order catalog cues. They just were able to make them faster than other cue makers. What Palmer would do is prepare a quantity of unfinished handles for each style, including joint parts. Then, on order, they would finish, inaly, fit shafts and wraps, all custom to order. This is why there are so many variations.

The PB and PM line were true production cues - not made to order, mass produced, and sold "as is" off the rack. They were built to Palmer's specs by Adam and there was definitely quality oversight by Palmer. The forearms Adam supplied to Palmer in the mid 1970's were really nice quality.

Chris

PS. Just wanted to add that Palmer used either tenons or splices for their forearm connect on all their cues until the later cues, starting in the 1980's they went to either a steel or aluminum screw and to a shortie spliced forearm. Very few of their cues had a forearm connection, most were full splice or solid.
 
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iv had 25 palmers in my time atleast and i have never had a problem with one. infact most stay straight 40 yrs later. the only problem i have encountered is the windows and rings in the butt get knocked out of line. pretty common in them window cues. im in a great area i see palmers by the dozen in mid nj. i buy every one i can get.
 
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The quality of materials is not questioned

Jerry Rauenzahn has probably repaired more cues than any cue builder on earth. He told me that he has never taken appart a Palmer cue that had a single tennon not one. Rember this is a man that has had to replace alot of full splice bowed cues butt sections with handles to get those old cues straight.
And said when he was done they were better than when they were made in the case of the cues with handles because Palmers did not have tennons. No tellin how many Palmers he has repaired in the 35 years or so he has been doing repair work.
Call and ask him.he will tell you as he told me.
Nick
 
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Apologies to Tate

He spells better the I do. So chances are he is right. And I have to respect his knowlege on this subject!
Thank you
Mr Tate!
Nick :)
 
nick serdula said:
He spells better the I do. So chances are he is right. And I have to respect his knowlege on this subject!
Thank you
Mr Tate!
Nick :)

Nick, I just want to say as a new mwmber, that one of the best features on this set is the members willingness to do what you have just done, rather than just dig in and argue teir side forever. Tate's opinions on Palmers are clearly well informed and have to be respected, and so are you to be respected for seeing that so quickly. Kudos to you both.

What's a tenon, or tendon in a cue?
 
Yep. Yep. Even a mole gets a nut once in a while. Or a worm? Well, this no worm. Its in 100% perfect condition. I believe even unchalked. So, yep. IN the collection. I will have to be in serious need of cash before I ever let this baby go.
 
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