Overcutting Balls And Then Not

No, actually I was serious. I bookmarked your extended circle a long time ago, I really mean it is clever and elegant... and I was joking back about CIA. I'd have to kill you, because you'd know and have the responsibility to know, with your great power...

I hate communicating by writing and not in person at times like these... sigh.

I really dig your stuff, man.

Google+ has hangouts, you could invite us and educate us all at once over video chat.

I really have to stop reading your articles. I just found that there is a forum in your section. This is how you sign your posts;

--Matt Sherman, Pool Legend, Billiards Guide


I have to ask is that a joke? Are you being sarcastic or do you really think you are a legend?
 
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Thought I should answer this point by point.

Hi Roadie:



You are entitled. Spidey liked this page. :)

Please bear in mind the page is clearly marked "©2012 About.com. All rights reserved." You may take a brief excerpt for review but copying the whole page is not a good idea as About would need to charge AZ a fee for usage. Please be careful going forward.

Fair Use.

There is a limit on the length of the bio and specific standards at About. They are specific as a company regarding what gets posted and what doesn't. Sean pointed out I should do more research before moving in to teach, perhaps you might do the same with About.

That has nothing to do with the fact that your answer to being asked for references was to post a link to your bio. You offered to give up the names of professional players you claim to have taught? What are those names?


I tend to get students the same way as other teachers, they come in because of site content or student references, not because of appeals to authority or certifications. I'd rather have them that way and I think the bio meets that expectation of mine.

Uh huh, ok..........well I suppose that if one does not have adequate references then one needs to use a little marketing-speak to puff up the attractiveness of the product.


I never said that. I never even said the Aim Primer or Contact Point articles were groundbreaking. I merely invited (civilized) discussion.

We are having civilized discussion. You posted a link to yoru article which in fine About.com tradtion has links to other articles you have written which is what led me to your hit-piece on other instructors. That wasn't a very civil piece, let's link to it for everyone else to read it and comment - http://billiards.about.com/od/For-Advanced-Players/a/Pool-Teachers-What-Are-They-Really-Teaching.htm

An excerpt of from this article:

"When he contacted me for a private lesson he was at his wits' end (most of the lessons he'd paid for did nothing for his game or even worsened his shots) and he was reluctant to see me though my book and this About.com GuideSite appealed. He finally agreed to a two-hour lesson prefaced by a debriefing f from his previous lessons.

You see, I talked him into a lesson just so I could glean what good or bad things he'd heard from others to try to integrate their pool teaching with mine and solve his problem.

In his words, this is what was emphasized and taught in his many lessons. You may find some or much of this useful and some of you are devotees of some of these famous pool teachers. You can see below what others who charge as much or more than I do for lessons are teaching the last few years."


So here you set the stage to go on and use anonymous "Bill" as your justification for slamming the other instructors. One thing that you should have considered is that even if "Bill" had a problem that none of these other instructors had corrected (highly unlikely) that is only one case and not indicative of the quality of the instruction provided by any or all of them.

So you'd prefer I not come to the forum? Or not defend my viewpoints? Which one? People like you are making the "number one forum" less well traveled by people who don't want to be bullied. I'm getting private messages at AZ from people who want my help to play better pool and from those who say, "Don't let the few jerks on here slow you down." Just saying. I like you well enough.

I would prefer that you come to forum and be willing to discuss your articles with more humilty and appreciation for the "brain trust" that exists here. You obviously want something from this forum and I think it's some form of validation.

You use your pulpit to slam the instructor establishment and you call me a bully? Let's see if I go to google and I type in billiard instruction you come up in the third position:

"Billiard Instruction - Pool / Billiards - About.combilliards.about.com/od/specialtyshot1/ss/PoolEnglish_8.htmCached - Similar
Billiard instruction is what we specialize in at About.com. Don't mistake our hundreds of instructional articles for anything but the best."

So the SEO is working and YOU are one of the first choices for anyone looking for billiard instruction. And when they go to your site what will they find? Not a "guide" who is willing to send them to instructors around the country and the world but instead one who is tooting his own horn every second sentence and slamming the instructor establishment the rest of the time.

No links to Dr. Daves stuff, no links to Tom Simpson's site, no links to Pool Synergy, no links to AZB, no links anywhere but to your own articles....seems kind of incestuous and narcisistic in a way. So no, no one is bullying you Mr. Sherman. Merely pointing out that you are NOT being a good part of the billiard community. I guarantee you if we wanted to devote the time to it we could truly rip your articles to shreds because most of them contain inaccuracies and some contain advice that can't be taken seriously.

Your advice about how to "top jump" is particularly bad. Not only is it poorly written it's also something that is not useful and will cause any amateur to have the cue ball flying all over the room. But of course you don't have to pay for damage to the equipment do you?


Further, I didn't come here to post backlinks and ads. There are subtler ways of doing so. I came with a few threads and said, "I'm open for business. Let's discuss."

Then why are you posting them? You're open for business? What sort of business?

Instead of reading between my lines like some other people, why not ask me direct or send a private message? Why say I'm arrogant. Is it arrogance to name a few players and teachers when someone says, "Ah, but you are a rogue on your own and don't check your work with standards." Untrue.

Ask you what privately? You posted publicly that you can provide references then you backtracked and pointed us to your bio page. I didn't say you are a rogue I said you are an unfair critic, which you are. What you are to me is someone who got the position with About.com and is using that platform to write a ton of blog posts which are long on words and short on substance. You are lazy and stingy with diagrams and photos which makes your instruction even worse for the reader.

How did I elevate myself above anyone? You're putting words in my mouth.

Am I? You wrote in your article;

"In other words, I think Bill got more out of our first session together (I kept talking, he kept shooting, and we went about four hours in all) than he had from all of the above "lessons" combined. You can read what all the top teachers are sharing these days in the first part of this article.

I write that last part as humbly as I know how. I'd like to teach a few pool teachers out there. Others I respect and I can recommend good local teachers if I'm not in your part of the world soon for a private lesson or group clinic..."


To me this reads pretty much as if you are saying you are better than all the other instructors and slamming their teaching methods.

I said I am not certified by BCA because I cannot sign off on everything in their system. That's called integrity, not hubris. I've already explained that certification provides instructors with more possible income.

Oh really? What exactly can't you sign off on? Tell us all pleae what the BCA Instructor program does that is so offensive to you? Actually integrity would be to go there and get your certificate, work your way through to master level and change from within. Sitting on the outside throwing stones won't change them and makes you look foolish. Wouldn't it better to be able to say that you went through the course and these are the things that you don't agree with? The BCA instructors meet yearly in person and communicate throughout the year about teaching methods. I suppose that has no value to you?

I'm sure you're aware that current certified BCA instructors feel the same way. Others have dropped BCA re-certification and are moving on to other realms.

Um no, I am not aware of that. I am not an instructor and don't claim to be. I have not insight into what the general feeling among them is.

I have thousands of links, you're being assumptive.

Well in going over many of your articles I didn't find one link to other resources. Maybe you can show us all where those links are? Seems to me the vast majority of your links are to your own articles and other About.com pages.


And no, if I am being meticulous about educating my readers I wouldn't send them to the flame wars where so many are rude to others and contradictory, even self-contradictory. Don't you understand how brave Dr. Dave is?

Yes I do. He comes here and is a part of the community, taking part in the discussions and providing links back to very useful content that relates to the discussion. He takes the heat that comes with him being mocking and judgemental as well. But on net his contributions are super and his content is well done and well organized. Yours is like a minefield of inaccuaracies in comparison. But Dr. Dave links back to the source, be that a thread on AZB, another website, a video, or wherever on the net the topic is being addressed. YOU do not do this as far as I can see it.

If you don't like the climate here then why are you here? If you consider AZB to be only flame wars and incivilility why have you come here?


A lot of instructors, even BCA instructors, don't want to talk about aiming, at all, with anyone. There's so much aggression and confusion over the subject.

What does this have to do with me asking you to provide the credentials you said have?

I have also not encountered a single coach, instructor, or professional player that wasn't willing to discuss aiming with me. So I don't know who you have been talking to but I suspect you won't reveal those names either. And yes, there is aggression and confusion surrounding this subject because for most it's an afterthought and something that people commonly think comes with table time. It has taken us quite a while to realize that aiming isn't quite as easy as beginner books make it out to be. But again this has nothign to do with the aiming discussions.


Everyone's brave on a forum. If I saw you in person, you would likely be far more courteous to me than you are being. I hope someday we can shoot pool together and chat, maybe even give each other lessons, but I expect respect from you as a person, regardless of whether you don't like my bio page.

Why would you ever think I wouldn't tell you the same things in person? On the contrary I would whip out my Ipad and confront you article by article until you gave up. And you would give up Mr. Sherman because much of what you write is simply indefensible. No wonder that you get into arguments with established instructors because you are often just wrong in your advice.

I don't think you are a bad person per se. I think that you are driven by your ego and the fact that you have a position to preach to a large audience and tell them whatever you want with hardly any chance of critique. In fact I would not be criticizing you now had you not come here and invited it. I have occassionally seen your articles during searches and I used to glance through them until I realized that they are mostly fluff with no lnks to other resources. So now when I see anything with about.com coming up in a billiard related search I skip it and move on to other places. As I am sure that most savvy billiard enthusiasts have learned to do as well. Earlier you said to someone else that you know you are an exceptional instructor. Let me clue you in on something Mr. Shepard, characterizations like that are best bestowed by others in appreciation of the work you do. It never comes across as well when you self-promote your own importance. That only really works for guys like Muhammed Ali who can back up the talk and have the hardware to prove it.

If you don't then a bit of humility goes a LONG LONG way.

And writing stuff like this is not humble in the least:

"I'm not wanting to boast or denigrate all those fine teachers and players. But I am saying that no one looked at his fundamentals. He was missing pool shots taken both toward the right and left to his left for 15 years, which is why he flew across the U.S. to meet with all those people.

As I began this two-part article last week, "Pathetic or marvelous? Good advice or bad? You decide." - Matt Sherman, (self-titled) Pool Legend
 
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Hi Roadie:

I am sincerely interested in discussing or debating aiming and stance.

I have indeed been frustrated in speaking with people, including fellow instructors, regarding certain pool myths. One of them is chin over cue stick.

Conceptualize that some pros plant their chin as mentors told them or as they copied those they watched at play. Does that imply it is the optimum position for all players? A good example of this kind of reasoning is Willie Hoppe's famous stroking arm position. He wrote about locking in a childhood habit yet a whole generation of intermediate players emulated him to their detriment. I do stand pretty high myself, from reading Minnesota Fats' book when I started out! Sometimes I get way the heck down there. It's a pretty good come on for the cash, though... :)

See this from my perspective, if you would. I have been encouraging some of my students struggling with break shots to use lighter weight cues. We can discuss or debate that also and that would be fine. But someone had to be the first pro or teacher to move from 22- and 23-ounce monsters toward lighter break cues. (I bet there's a thread on that here at AZ--seeing who was the first.) Likewise, I'm not the only person to advocate against blindly putting one's chin over the stick but believe me, even though I'm not the first I take a lot of heat for it. That might mean I'm incorrect or it might mean that old habits die hard.

Dr. Dave posted even this week at AZ regarding vision center (which might be the chin coincidentally) over the cue stick in one of my threads and I posted likewise.

I also advocate a stance that is comfortable for players. There is an advantage for some shots in getting quite low as you wrote and demonstrated with photos. I'm not dense, I have seen photos and videos of pros and seen other pros in person.

But I have emphasized saving back, neck and shoulder muscles for some time now. It's been a (literal) relief for many players. Some of my students are in their 70s and 80s and have been playing for a very long time but still love to learn new shots and improve. I'm not asking them to get lower over the stick and for those who do--well, it works for some, yes. A little, especially if they're used to playing higher. I'd say you want your chin not more than about one foot above the stick and two is asking for trouble.

Normally in a one-on-one lesson or group clinic when someone bends way low and thrusts their chin over the stick I ask them where they learned to do so. Then I say something like, "But you don't hit shots with your chin, you use your shooting hand." Then they say, "Oh, that's right." Then I have them play for a few minutes way low and a few minutes higher and more comfortably (not every student, mind, some don't look awkward or leaned wrong when way low and can slice the eyes off a ball.)

Then I ask another question, "Any difference in eyesight or shot making between the two stances?"

I can see you are frustrated with the tone of my site. Some of it is tongue-in-cheek, yes. I have a lot of fun with it and the tone of About is supposed to be personal and friendly while giving good advice.

About has taken a lot heat on these forums and you're entitled to free speech. It is a subsidiary company of the New York Times and has some good standards to it.

By the way, I wasn't being aggressive or threatening you when I reminded you of the copyright law. You kept asking about back links. Even I am disallowed from reposting my About content on other sites.

My student "Bill" contacted me while quite frustrated about missing certain shots. I felt like I was talking him down from a ledge, he was badly burned by some of his past experiences. He presented a formidable challenge I couldn't resist, because I am competitive. Fix his problems. Would he be the first student I couldn't help? Not a boast, you seem knowledgable and I'm sure you help all of your students. Are you a teacher/coach?

The long and short is I listened to Bill for a long, long time, with pen and paper in hand, taking notes, to see if I could verify facts. I changed things on my site to hide teacher names and as much as I could, methods. But there are players here at AZ who know what I'm speaking of when I say some of these teachers want to fix all problems by changing your stance and stroke to their ideal single model. Changing stroke muscles or pausing on his backswing or taking a pinky finger off the stick wasn't correcting his issues but he was paying much to hear these things.

I fixed Bill's problem, and better, I told him how to self-correct it when we weren't in lessons. I don't know everything about billiards or even giving billiards lessons. On another visit, Bill tried a CueTrack with me and loved it and called up to order one the same day. I recommend fellow teachers and some playing aids. I am a good member of the community.

I will continue to discuss and debate pool with you and am enjoying it. I'd encourage you to take a deep breath and relax a little. I'm not evil or manipulative. I love pool and billiards but I have a lot of fun with my posts at About.

Thank you.
 
To my knowledge, this information has never before appeared elsewhere."

Ah, I see the source of your confusion and (some of your frustration). I was the first in print to write regarding the two schools of awkward/non-optimum stances and the third, blended stance which many (not all pros) use. The eight-page article you cited does have guidance in it only in my book and at About.com, to this current date.

I haven't read everything on pool, though I feel like I've read everything online or in print there is to be said about stance, aim and stroke, and a technical advisor with hundreds of pool books corrected my materials. I wrote in my book draft that I was the first to show pool shots from a particular angle in print, and he identified three books from the early 1900s that beat me to the punch, so I changed my text before it went to print, of course.

Try to understand. I could be a little more blasé about certain things. And I can see where you're reading me as boasting. People who know me in person know better. But if I'm the very first to put something in print or online, I mark it so that no one can bottle it and sell it for cash. Again, most of my teaching is available free of cost to the public so I protect my intellectual property.

'Nuff said.
 
I am tired. I think I have said my piece on this and it could go on forever given the amount of content you have up.

For what it's worth you can't protect a method of standing at the table. So there is no need to tell everyone that you are the first to describe a method because if someone wants to take your method and "bottle it and sell it" they can with zero recourse on your end.

To me your writing style and your tone is grating. Sorry that's how I see it. At least you were gracious enough to post a link back to AZB. Let's hope you continue and become a part of the billiard community at large and they might start linking to your articles as well.

I will do my best to ignore my urge to speak up about this in the future. I am sure you do love pool and feel that you are doing a lot of good. And in the end I will say that you have put up a tremendous amount of articles about pool and to that end it should count for something. I personally would be using the platform at About.com in a completely different way as my love of pool goes more in the direction of getting people to play more pool. To that end I would be writing a lot more about why pool is such a great pastime and a great sport and less about why I am a great instructor.
 
Ah, I see the source of your confusion and (some of your frustration). I was the first in print to write regarding the two schools of awkward/non-optimum stances and the third, blended stance which many (not all pros) use. The eight-page article you cited does have guidance in it only in my book and at About.com, to this current date.

I haven't read everything on pool, though I feel like I've read everything online or in print there is to be said about stance, aim and stroke, and a technical advisor with hundreds of pool books corrected my materials. I wrote in my book draft that I was the first to show pool shots from a particular angle in print, and he identified three books from the early 1900s that beat me to the punch, so I changed my text before it went to print, of course.

Try to understand. I could be a little more blasé about certain things. And I can see where you're reading me as boasting. People who know me in person know better. But if I'm the very first to put something in print or online, I mark it so that no one can bottle it and sell it for cash. Again, most of my teaching is available free of cost to the public so I protect my intellectual property.

'Nuff said.

Matt:

Unfortunately, I have a day job that has nothing to do with pool, and I can only hit up the AZB forums between breaks at work.

However, Roadie did an EXCELLENT job at lucidly describing what others (e.g. PJ, myself) have been trying to get through to you, but were unsuccessful due to your "certifications and affiliations shield" raising up like some sort of Transformer device, that we had to spend our [break] time trying to knock out of the way.

The problem we see is that, while a high opinion of oneself is almost always a good thing, yours bends into the extreme. Examples, you ask? What you wrote just above -- in the bolded part -- is Exhibit A.

You have a tendency to write something, perhaps admire it a little (you *are* a very creative writer), and then want to immediately go to print without doing your due diligence to see if the wheel you had invented had already been done by someone before you. It's only if someone CATCHES you before you go to press -- with proof that you can't deny or otherwise try to defensively poke holes in -- that you'll relent and modify your verbiage to couch it such that it doesn't appear you invented it. Yes, yes, we know, "but Sean, I verified my information with a not-to-be-named BCA instructor who happened to be looking over my shoulder as I was typing it." :rolleyes:

Concerning this I.P. issue -- that's very arrogant (messianic?) of you to think, with the demonstrated lack of due diligence on your part thus far, that you can "come up with an idea" and put your trademark stamp on it. You are NOT a pool messiah. Yet you couch and portray yourself as one, and THIS is what is getting you into trouble here.

I dare say there are some HEAVYWEIGHTS here on the AZB forums (knowledgebase-wise) that know more than you about the topics you speak. The old line, "Walk softly, for here there be dragons that will eat you in a single bite" definitely applies here. I consider myself to be a fairly knowledgeable person who can play a scrap. Yet I learn something new here just about EVERY DAY. Just when you're comfortable with your knowledge of things, someone comes by and blows your mind.

-Sean
 
Conceptualize that some pros plant their chin as mentors told them or as they copied those they watched at play. Does that imply it is the optimum position for all players? A good example of this kind of reasoning is Willie Hoppe's famous stroking arm position. He wrote about locking in a childhood habit yet a whole generation of intermediate players emulated him to their detriment. I do stand pretty high myself, from reading Minnesota Fats' book when I started out! Sometimes I get way the heck down there. It's a pretty good come on for the cash, though... :)

I am sorry but this caught my eye. Do you play for money? If so where can you be found and how much will you play for? I think I'd like to see where you stand on the pecking order and I like to play for cash to determine that.
 
I am tired. I think I have said my piece on this and it could go on forever given the amount of content you have up.

For what it's worth you can't protect a method of standing at the table. So there is no need to tell everyone that you are the first to describe a method because if someone wants to take your method and "bottle it and sell it" they can with zero recourse on your end.

To me your writing style and your tone is grating. Sorry that's how I see it. At least you were gracious enough to post a link back to AZB. Let's hope you continue and become a part of the billiard community at large and they might start linking to your articles as well.

I will do my best to ignore my urge to speak up about this in the future. I am sure you do love pool and feel that you are doing a lot of good. And in the end I will say that you have put up a tremendous amount of articles about pool and to that end it should count for something. I personally would be using the platform at About.com in a completely different way as my love of pool goes more in the direction of getting people to play more pool. To that end I would be writing a lot more about why pool is such a great pastime and a great sport and less about why I am a great instructor.
I wrote I'm protecting my intellectual property, not my fiscal property. Google and I are both keen to know where certain items appear first. That's not a big deal.

The main thrust of About is "how to" articles.

To that end I would be writing a lot more about why pool is such a great pastime and a great sport and less about why I am a great instructor.

I have wonderful stories about our great game. I just did a great piece with Mickey Holiday about a week ago as posted to The Miz remembrance forum. I have poetry about pool and pool fiction, product reviews, pro and celebrity player bios and etc. And editorials on why pool is cool and the game for a lifetime, which you can play long after your back won't let you swing at golf (I teach golf also.) I have had guest pros and teachers in for regular columns, debates and articles.

I stand accused of being narrow-minded and insular when I did a year at InsidePool called The 8-Ball Debates.

At a rough estimate I have in print or online 500,000 words about pool. You can find a few sentences in all of that where I protect my discoveries and tell people I am an effective and helpful instructor--and I am.

I never said I hate any other teachers, even the bad ones. :) I've never written I'm the best teacher in the world or that the BCA stinks. I have articles online praising their work in organizing our sport and in an excellent rule set, besides keeping the Hall of Fame, etc. But when they and others ask me to cover up the bad stuff, I tell them the same thing as you, I have an opportunity to present truth to readers.
 
I am sorry but this caught my eye. Do you play for money? If so where can you be found and how much will you play for? I think I'd like to see where you stand on the pecking order and I like to play for cash to determine that.

Yeah, good point. I'd be willing to put some cash on the line to find that out as well. Oh, in a gentleman's way, of course. ;)

-Sean
 
Yes, yes, we know, "but Sean, I verified my information with a not-to-be-named BCA instructor who happened to be looking over my shoulder as I was typing it."

Huh? I am not BCA-certified. My publisher requested a Master Instructor to read my manuscript and review my diagrams--all of them--and suggest any changes or corrections--to check on my work. We didn't stop there, we made several rounds of corrections across all of the manuscript and had frequent correspondence. I walked my work to a number of teachers and players in addition.

The BCA reviewer was for the publisher's benefit and mine, so that a certified instructor could say, "This is solid" or at least "This is not highly inaccurate." :)

I read and study a lot. A LOT. I understand you find it appalling that I say I understand some about pool as a result, but helping hundreds of students by e-mails a year and giving over 100 lessons a year--I'm sorry, I guess when I say I feel like I've been there, done that, you take it wrong.

I dare say there are some HEAVYWEIGHTS here on the AZB forums (knowledgebase-wise) that know more than you about the topics you speak.

I'm certain there are those people on these forums. I agree with you. I like Dr. Dave's stuff but do not have his physics background, for one example. I think he's brilliant.

I get it, Sean. You're repeating yourself because when I answer questions and attacks honestly or God forbid, actually defend myself from the haters (not including you in that list, I appreciate you) you think I'm trenchcoat-ing my inadequacies.

But I hear you. "There's a giant braintrust at AZ," and I get some of the brain from the forum, but not the trust!

You are correct when you write that forums have a way of revealing things. That is highly perceptive of you. I'm an outspoken Christian, and I'm used to being attacked and hassled for telling people horrible truths like "Jesus loves you and I do too."

I'm used to the nonsense of people not coming with facts, and I'm not going away from the forums, although I will try to limit my posts to productive items.

This thread supports my thesis that:

1. experienced players
2. who have reached a plateau in their games
3. after using ghost ball (classic g.b. pointing through center c.b. at center g.b.)
4. and reading materials that emphasize geometric aim without even mentioning "CIT"
5. would benefit from a more direct attack on the contact point with eyes and "cue pointing" (though we all know this undercuts)

Either argue that with me or don't. If you want to start a "Matt Sherman is arrogant and a crummy teacher rant," do it on another thread, please.

If you want to talk about facts about aiming, get to it, please.

Jesus loves you, and I do also. God bless you.
 
I am sorry but this caught my eye. Do you play for money? If so where can you be found and how much will you play for? I think I'd like to see where you stand on the pecking order and I like to play for cash to determine that.
Heh-heh. I told you I read Fats early on. You're not ticked off enough yet to give me the spot I need from big old Roadie for little old me.

I don't gamble, I cash you with mortal locks. :)

Nah, seriously. I'd be happy to play anytime with you, Sean or pj, and I'm sure I'd learn a lot from all of you in person as well.

Specifics aside, I think, though, you'd attack any teacher who said on these forums he's a really good teacher!
 
Heh-heh. I told you I read Fats early on. You're not ticked off enough yet to give me the spot I need from big old Roadie for little old me.

I don't gamble, I cash you with mortal locks. :)

Nah, seriously. I'd be happy to play anytime with you, Sean or pj, and I'm sure I'd learn a lot from all of you in person as well.

Specifics aside, I think, though, you'd attack any teacher who said on these forums he's a really good teacher!

Spot died. When I play big-time authors I am the one who gets the spot because they have a way of sharking me with timed comments about my technique.

Most teachers on here don't say that they are really good teachers. When they speak they give their perspective and allow their students to talk about how good they are as teachers.

Normally at this point in a thread where an instructor is being questioned about his street cred would be the point where many students would chime in with their testimonials. Surprisingly this has not yet happened with you. We would expect that an instructor of your caliber would have a lot of students who are also AZB members. Normally people can't wait to show support for someone who has helped them out.

So not only do we not get the list of professionals that you claim to have to taught we also are lacking any testimony from any of the membership here on AZB. Perhaps you could put a call out to your students and get them in here to back you up?

And to be clear Mr. Sherman I really have no idea how good of an instructor you are. All I know is the sense I get of your opinion of yourself through reading your articles and some of the statements you have made here. That impression is of a man who feels that he is the equal of or better than most other instructors out there. You may very well be but the content of your articles and the way you teach through them does not convey that very well. I say this as a person like your "Bill" who has had the fortune to travel the world and get time with the elite players and coaches on the planet.

So no, I don't take exception to people who claim to be good instructors. I take exception to the ones who can't back it up.
 
I wrote I'm protecting my intellectual property, not my fiscal property. Google and I are both keen to know where certain items appear first. That's not a big deal.

Google knows where strings of text appeared first without your actually writing that you were first. The implication for the READER is that you are claiming to be the first person to ever reveal some amazing information about the stance in a printed and visual form. I.e. NO ONE before you ever wrote about (or demonstrated) this information. That is patently untrue in the first place and incredibly hubristic in the second.

In fact you write quite often that you are revealing amazing tips and secrets that no one ever dared to put out there. Let me ask you how you heard about Carabo (sp) english? Did you travel to the Phillipines and study under the old masters who only revealed this ancient billiard technique to you after determining that you were worthy to receive it? Or did you glean it through information on the web? I bet the latter.

The main thrust of About is "how to" articles.

Really, then perhaps they should scrap the name of the site and change it to howto.com. When I search for things about.com articles come up often. For example yesterday I searched for "traditional marriage" and came across an article explaining the history of marriage. It wasn't an instructional containing six amazing tips on how to get tradtionally married. Maybe you should spend a little more time browsing the site you work for.


I have wonderful stories about our great game. I just did a great piece with Mickey Holiday about a week ago as posted to The Miz remembrance forum. I have poetry about pool and pool fiction, product reviews, pro and celebrity player bios and etc. And editorials on why pool is cool and the game for a lifetime, which you can play long after your back won't let you swing at golf (I teach golf also.) I have had guest pros and teachers in for regular columns, debates and articles.

Well then perhaps you should look up some instructionals on about.com teaching you how to organize your section because frankly, it's a mess.


I stand accused of being narrow-minded and insular when I did a year at InsidePool called The 8-Ball Debates.

That accusation didn't come from me. I accused you of being arrogant and uncool to your fellow instructors.

At a rough estimate I have in print or online 500,000 words about pool. You can find a few sentences in all of that where I protect my discoveries and tell people I am an effective and helpful instructor--and I am.

Again, accolades are best received when they are given by people other than yourself about yourself.

I never said I hate any other teachers, even the bad ones. :) I've never written I'm the best teacher in the world or that the BCA stinks. I have articles online praising their work in organizing our sport and in an excellent rule set, besides keeping the Hall of Fame, etc. But when they and others ask me to cover up the bad stuff, I tell them the same thing as you, I have an opportunity to present truth to readers.

You said you won't get certified because the BCA program has things you can't sign off on. If that's not saying the BCA program stinks then I don't know what is. As far as know it's a pretty basic program where certfication is pretty easy to obtain with each level getting prgressively harder. So if you don't think that the BCA instructor program is harmful to to pool why would you be opposed to becoming a certficed instructor?

You are saying that "they" asked you cover up the "bad stuff"? Seriously? You're going to really make a claim that the BCA Instructors are involved in a conspiracy to cover up information about their program? Pool is not that important Mr. Sherman. There is nothing to cover up.

And I suppose being the reformer that you act like you have exposed this "bad stuff"? Where have you done this, please post the links. And no one was talking about the BCA here, only the BCA Instructor Program.

And for the sake of accuracy, it was the BCAPL who banned phenolic tips on break cues for the national competition a few years ago. You should know the difference in the two organizations. Those tips were not banned for jump cues. And as far as I know that ban has been lifted because the problem was with poor quality cue balls and not the phenolic tips. Perhaps a little more research before publication would be good to adhere to the standard of the New York Times since you wanted to make that connection. If we were to start giong through your articles you will be printing weeks of retractions and corrections. Who can we complain to about inaccuracies in your work?
 
In fact you write quite often that you are revealing amazing tips and secrets that no one ever dared to put out there. Let me ask you how you heard about Carabo (sp) english? Did you travel to the Phillipines and study under the old masters who only revealed this ancient billiard technique to you after determining that you were worthy to receive it?

That's sort of how I learned the "Five Point Palm Exploding Break Shot", up on a mountain for 3 years studying under the Dali Efren.
 
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Spot died. When I play big-time authors I am the one who gets the spot because they have a way of sharking me with timed comments about my technique.

Most teachers on here don't say that they are really good teachers. When they speak they give their perspective and allow their students to talk about how good they are as teachers.

Normally at this point in a thread where an instructor is being questioned about his street cred would be the point where many students would chime in with their testimonials. Surprisingly this has not yet happened with you. We would expect that an instructor of your caliber would have a lot of students who are also AZB members. Normally people can't wait to show support for someone who has helped them out.

So not only do we not get the list of professionals that you claim to have to taught we also are lacking any testimony from any of the membership here on AZB. Perhaps you could put a call out to your students and get them in here to back you up?

And to be clear Mr. Sherman I really have no idea how good of an instructor you are. All I know is the sense I get of your opinion of yourself through reading your articles and some of the statements you have made here. That impression is of a man who feels that he is the equal of or better than most other instructors out there. You may very well be but the content of your articles and the way you teach through them does not convey that very well. I say this as a person like your "Bill" who has had the fortune to travel the world and get time with the elite players and coaches on the planet.

So no, I don't take exception to people who claim to be good instructors. I take exception to the ones who can't back it up.
I've had private emails from AZ Billiards who are in my boxing corner and can see how mean and rude posters are to them and/or would be if they speak up here. God forbid they'd even say they read my book or found me through About because you'd say they were a weak player to begin because all good students must come to AZ.

Forums tend to have small blocks of people who post over and again. AZ is number one but is a drop in the billiards bucket and my bucket.

Feel free to debate aim, stance and stroke with me and stop hijacking the thread.
 
Well then perhaps you should look up some instructionals on about.com teaching you how to organize your section because frankly, it's a mess.

Is this Instruction Outline representative of the "chaos" of my GuideSite? :) It's for beginners but is hard to find, being linked to every page of my site...

And I suppose being the reformer that you act like you have exposed this "bad stuff"? Where have you done this, please post the links. And no one was talking about the BCA here, only the BCA Instructor Program.

This is not the gentlemanly way to behave, sir. Dozens of editions of the BCA's basic primer show photos of stance that you disagree with and rudely attacked me for, not deigning to answer my responses to your comments on stance. By your own comments, you could not or would not certify as an instructor.

I've said my piece and showed you the courtesy of an almost 1000-word reply yesterday, which is longer than most of my articles! Discuss stance, aim and stroke with me and confine yourself or leave the thread, please.
 
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That's sort of how I learned the "Five Point Palm Exploding Break Shot", up on a mountain for 3 years studying under the Dali Efren.
Hi, Dogs:

Are you one of Roadie's followers or pool students? I never wrote anything close to "no one ever dared to put out there".

Roadie is using hyperbole so that instead of just calling me on the phone to talk pool or ask about my lessons, he can attack me for saying I'm a skilled instructor.

As if he's met a lot of pool teachers who advertise, "I'm a bad instructor! Come pay me for lessons!" :)
 
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I've said my piece and showed you the courtesy of an almost 1000-word reply yesterday, which is longer than most of my articles! Discuss stance, aim and stroke with me and confine yourself or leave the thread, please.

Matt:

(Apologies for my quiescence, and then suddenly coming back in "out of the blue" -- 'tis just the travails of a working man and his day job.)

I do have to ask you one question, and it relates to a recurring theme I see in how you post and reply to posts. You keep bringing up this "<insert a number in the thousands> words" thing when related to your responses, or your posts, or anything involving writing.

I'm a published writer. Other than fulfilling the contract of a book engagement (where it is expected that content be of a particular size or length), I've NEVER seen an author or writer so focused (obsessed?) with "word count" of his content.

When I or any other helpful person compose a communique for the purposes of addressing a question or issue, we are never cognizant of the "word count" needed to do so. In fact, when I personally write, it's in "stream of consciousness" fashion; I do proofread myself to make sure there are no typos, grammatical errors, and that I've used language that is clear, but I NEVER count the number of words, or even *think* about the "word count" of the communique.

I have to ask you -- what is the deal with this? Are you this way because you get paid by the word or something? (You have to admit that the question and the observation are logical, from the readership [and authorship] here who are not focused on "word count.")

Thoughts?
-Sean F. Leinen
 
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