Pattern Racking 9-Ball With Soft Breaking Video

[realkingcobra]

Happy bday, you olde fart.

I believe pov pool has more than a few vids of people beating the 10b ghost on the tight hard times tables. Triangle rack.

I also believe none of them are azb members.

Dennis O beat it playing 10 ball on the TV table at hardtimes....but he did it with ball in had to begin. It's not impossible to be the 9 ball ghost in a race to 10, I'd say most upper level players can with out a doubt. But, my challenge was for anyone to beat it with no racing aids or BIH to start out with.

 

[jasonlaus]

Jason....untwist' your panties or put on a bigger pair that fit....I never 9nce called you out with bs high package runs.....so, what's your problem, or have you stayed up past your bed time again....LMAO

Maybe an hour or 2 past my bedtime

 

[realkingcobra]

Maybe an hour or 2 past my bedtime

I know the difference between probabilities and impossibility, I've been involved with pool for most of my life. One thing I've learned is that what I once did in the past means nothing today. I've had high runs playing 14.1....ran lots of racks playing 8 ball....and 9 ball. But the racks I'm most proud of winning, are the ones I had no chance to win, and yet one mistake from my opponent changed the endings. The kind of racks ran, that I WISH I could have stood back and watched for myself as they were so unreal no one in the world could have beaten me at that moment in time. I remember one time I was playing David Rhoades from Oregon, the best player in the state at the time. He came up to my pool room to play some 14.1 for a $100 a game, I player everyone and anyone for a $100 a game back then. We were playing to a 100 points and I think we were.up around 50 points each or so, I was shooting.....with the cue ball about centered and 6" or so off the head rail....I was aiming at a 2/5 frozen ball combination about a foot or so from the side if the rack....almost a full rack mind you....and I called the 8 ball in the right foot corner pocket. Before I shot....David corrected me telling me I wasn't shooting at the 8 ball....it was in the middle of the rack.....it said I know!!!....I'm calling the 8!!!!....He jumped up out of his chair and said I've heard of your reputation for pulling off shots like this.....but I can't see the shot....SHOW ME. I said ok...and don't showed him that the first combo was going to hit the rack right here....and did pointed to the hit....and did do that's going to cause these balls to hit these balls and move out of the way of the 8 going in the pocket....and do you see the 3 balls lined up on the 8....I'm going to force follow the cue ball into this ball right here after these balls move out of the way.....pointing to the shot.....and the cue ball is going Rogue hit right here....causing the 8 ball to go in the pocket......Piece of cake.....LOL....I'm lined up, shot the cue into the frozen combo....and everything happened just like I said it would....to which David paid me the $100 without even finishing the game....and said let's play some ONE POCKET INSTEAD!!!!!....I declined....LOL

 

[Poolmanis]

Not for some of the AZB members, from what I've read about their high package runs.....they could SPOT the GHOST 5 games on the wire and still win....LMAO

I did put my records on topic where they were asked. I also practice nowadays normally against pro-ghost without BIH. I have beaten it 7-1 and have at least 7-4 win on video( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7J34vckWQY&t ). I always stopped playing when reached 7 so I can´t tell if I could beat it to 10. tight pockets also. Side Pocket plays sporty against ghost also. So I am confident he could beat it too but noone at whole planet can bet against pro ghost.

 

[Poolmanis]

Funny to notice but I remember now.... I was mad at that match because it was 4th match against Ghost same day and I made every time 4 pack and got unlucky break after that. *warning* video contains Swearing in Finnish and bad manners

 

[AtLarge]

They racked the 9-ball on the spot at the US Open 9-Ball Championship the last 3 years (2014-2016).

 

[BeiberLvr]

I did put my records on topic where they were asked. I also practice nowadays normally against pro-ghost without BIH. I have beaten it 7-1 and have at least 7-4 win on video( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7J34vckWQY&t ). I always stopped playing when reached 7 so I can´t tell if I could beat it to 10. tight pockets also. Side Pocket plays sporty against ghost also. So I am confident he could beat it too but noone at whole planet can bet against pro ghost.

Not too shabby for a crappy AZ player :thumbup:

 

[realkingcobra]

Funny to notice but I remember now.... I was mad at that match because it was 4th match against Ghost same day and I made every time 4 pack and got unlucky break after that. *warning* video contains Swearing in Finnish and bad manners

What are you racking the balls with?

 

[realkingcobra]

I did put my records on topic where they were asked. I also practice nowadays normally against pro-ghost without BIH. I have beaten it 7-1 and have at least 7-4 win on video( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7J34vckWQY&t ). I always stopped playing when reached 7 so I can´t tell if I could beat it to 10. tight pockets also. Side Pocket plays sporty against ghost also. So I am confident he could beat it too but noone at whole planet can bet against pro ghost.

And what's your record against the ghost with no magic rack and no BIH after the break? That's the point of my complaints about how much pool has changed today....racking aids are killing pool, jump cues are killing pool, all the changes in the rules to play pool....are killing pool. If a player can break the balls with any kind of consistency using a wooden or plastic triangle to rack the balls with.....it's because the player has put in a ton of hours studying the break and it's effects....not hours watching how the break is effected by a racking aid, and the repeatable break it provides!

 

[realkingcobra]

I mean hell, why not allow angle finder apps to determine where to bank a ball off a rail to pocket the ball that can be calibrated to a table that's banking short or even long....so it takes all the guess work....or practice out of the game? Are racking aids really any different?

 

[jasonlaus]

I did put my records on topic where they were asked. I also practice nowadays normally against pro-ghost without BIH. I have beaten it 7-1 and have at least 7-4 win on video( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7J34vckWQY&t ). I always stopped playing when reached 7 so I can´t tell if I could beat it to 10. tight pockets also. Side Pocket plays sporty against ghost also. So I am confident he could beat it too but noone at whole planet can bet against pro ghost.

Nice shooting!
Jason

 

[jasonlaus]

And what's your record against the ghost with no magic rack and no BIH after the break? That's the point of my complaints about how much pool has changed today....racking aids are killing pool, jump cues are killing pool, all the changes in the rules to play pool....are killing pool. If a player can break the balls with any kind of consistency using a wooden or plastic triangle to rack the balls with.....it's because the player has put in a ton of hours studying the break and it's effects....not hours watching how the break is effected by a racking aid, and the repeatable break it provides!

He didnt take BIH

 

[realkingcobra]

He didnt take BIH

He still used a magic rack....a racking aid....do you understand how that effects the break? That proves my point, no racking aid....and it's a whole different challenge to beat the ghost without BIH to begin with....no predictable or repeatable break shot anymore!

 

[jasonlaus]

He still used a magic rack....a racking aid....do you understand how that effects the break? That proves my point, no racking aid....and it's a whole different challenge to beat the ghost without BIH to begin with....no predictable or repeatable break shot anymore!

We cant say for sure.......he didn't try it:thumbup:
Jason

When I tried the soft break with a wooden rack I got the same results everytime till the temp and humidity changed

 

[Poolmanis]

And what's your record against the ghost with no magic rack and no BIH after the break? That's the point of my complaints about how much pool has changed today....racking aids are killing pool, jump cues are killing pool, all the changes in the rules to play pool....are killing pool. If a player can break the balls with any kind of consistency using a wooden or plastic triangle to rack the balls with.....it's because the player has put in a ton of hours studying the break and it's effects....not hours watching how the break is effected by a racking aid, and the repeatable break it provides!

My record against realkingcobra-ghost without magic rack and without ball in hand is now 5-10 loss.
I never played against ghost without magic rack. Made couple really nice run outs and I was playing strong even I was tired.
What really made me lose was same thing that do it with magic rack. I could not hit one ball consistent way. It was not because racking, my break was faulty today. I was hitting too thin cut and when i tried get it right I started hit full in face.
Probably because i went shoot some pool after 15 hour shift after work. It was my first try without magic rack.
My 9-ball all time run out record is 7 run outs. That was made with small bet winner stays table 2 different opponents racking for me with triangle long time ago. Nowadays in Finland nobody uses triangle if there is magic rack possibility. We always rack 9-on spot in Europe.

My rheumatism on back does not like triangles also. :frown: That is why I racked fast on that match.

 

[realkingcobra]

My record against realkingcobra-ghost without magic rack and without ball in hand is now 5-10 loss.
I never played against ghost without magic rack. Made couple really nice run outs and I was playing strong even I was tired.
What really made me lose was same thing that do it with magic rack. I could not hit one ball consistent way. It was not because racking, my break was faulty today. I was hitting too thin cut and when i tried get it right I started hit full in face.
Probably because i went shoot some pool after 15 hour shift after work. It was my first try without magic rack.
My 9-ball all time run out record is 7 run outs. That was made with small bet winner stays table 2 different opponents racking for me with triangle long time ago. Nowadays in Finland nobody uses triangle if there is magic rack possibility. We always rack 9-on spot in Europe.

My rheumatism on back does not like triangles also. :frown: That is why I racked fast on that match.

That puts your break and run at 33%, which is still pretty good. But I think you can see my point about the assistance of racking aid which present a perfect rack to the breaker. Put human error and table conditions back into racking playing 9 or 10 ball...and you're off to an old school start to any tournament you're playing in, and so is the opponent your playing. With less wins coming by way of the break, players will have to play better after the break to get those wins in order to win their match.

 

[Bob Jewett]

.... Put human error and table conditions back into racking playing 9 or 10 ball...and you're off to an old school start to any tournament you're playing in, ....

And will that be rack your own or rack for your opponent?

 

[realkingcobra]

And will that be rack your own or rack for your opponent?

Under my rules of tournament play, each player would rack their own rack, opposing player can not object. Racking pattern would be set the same for everyone. Player racking would have 30 seconds to accept the rack, or face a 1 game penalty loss for stalling. The one game forfeiture would be deducted from their score, for every 30 second delay in accepting the rack as is.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Under my rules of tournament play, each player would rack their own rack, opposing player can not object. Racking pattern would be set the same for everyone. Player racking would have 30 seconds to accept the rack, or face a 1 game penalty loss for stalling. The one game forfeiture would be deducted from their score, for every 30 second delay in accepting the rack as is.

And what do you do when the breaker racks a ball dead? What if that ball is the nine ball? There are players who know how to do both of those from a nine ball rack.

 

[realkingcobra]

And what do you do when the breaker racks a ball dead? What if that ball is the nine ball? There are players who know how to do both of those from a nine ball rack.

First off, if the opponent was doing the complaining, I'd tell the player....GUESS YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO RACK LIKE YOUR OPPONENT! Second, in my rules a 9 on the break counts as a win, but spots back up and is still in play. If the breaker fails to run the rack out and lets the opponent finish out the rack, then making the 9 last also counts as a win, which then would be considered to be a push for push for both players. Third, in my tournaments, all 9ft pool tables would have Championship Titan, non worsted wool cloth installed on them....as in no Simonis, Championship Tour Edition, no Andy cloth, no Granito....back to old school cloth....and I don't mean no IPT' shaggy carpet shit either.