PAY OR PLAY Introducing a new tournament format, need feedback

markpatrick said:
How much would it cost to just skip all the rounds and buy into the final 32 and go from there??? Just curious.

Thanks:cool:
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For the One Pocket the Level 6 entry was $160 for direct placement in the final 32. The 10-Ball was a Level 9 entry for $256, but the first 8 people to sign up for a Level 9 entry received a discount at $200.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I was wondering how things turned out.
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Bob,

Before I make any comments on the tournament I wanted to give John Henderson (JRHENDY on these forums) a chance to give his thoughts as he is doing a little write-up about it. I think he is reviving a cuesports journal.

I want people to hear an unbiased opinion before I chime in. I am also curious to see his write up for he played in the One Pocket tournament and had a first hand experience with the whole thing.

If you can't wait for his write up, you probably have his number so you can give him a call and ask.

I will also be posting a complete follow up with my thoughts after John's write up.

If you can't wait for that, then you can pm me and I will give you some info.

Thanks for following up,

Edward
 
fathomblue said:
How do I find out how this format worked out in a real tournament setting?
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I am going to give John Henderson a couple of more days to finish the write up. If it is not available then I will post my opinions about how the event went along with explanations of why. I learned a lot from the Reno events.
 
Thank you. I'm planning on being in Tunica for TSC and I'd like to know how the proposed format will work down there.
 
Love it

FASTEJ said:
This format is going to be used for the PAY OR PLAY ONE POCKET TOURNAMENT and the PAY OR PLAY 10 BALL TOURNAMENT during the USBTC in Reno Feb 12th-19th

The PAY OR PLAY format is one that puts the power in the players hands when it comes to deciding how much they are willing to pay for a chance to win a big payout. It is simple and complicated at the same time when it comes to describing how the format works. With your feedback I will be editing this first post often and hopefully it will be clear and understandable to everyone how this format works. Thank you in advance for your feedback!


PAY OR PLAY Tournament Format
This format is a multi-entry/multi-rebuy format. It uses a single elimination bracket. Size of the bracket depends on number of tables available, amount of time available, and the demand for entry.
A player can buy in as many times as they want until the bracket is full.
A player can buy their way all the way up to the Round of 32
The Level 1 entry fee is usually between $1-$10 dollars and doubles every Level until the Round of 32
Players can buy an entry of their choice at any Level and draw at random for their placement in the bracket.
Players are also allowed to enter in these manners:
1. They can choose who their opponent is in the first match if both players agree, and the winner will draw at random for their place in the bracket. The two players can split the entry fee for the level they want, or they can agree that the loser will pay for the entry fee.
2. Players can assemble their own mini tournament, numbering from 4,8,16,32 players and so on. Each player will pay their share of the entry fee and the winner will get entry at the Level determined by the group and draw at random for their place in the bracket.
These two entry methods is truly what makes this format unique, besides the multi entry/rebuy.

Look at the format below as an example
These are the initial parameters for the PAY OR PLAY ONE POCKET in Reno during the US Bar Table Championships (USBTC) from Feb 12th-19th

1024 player single elimination bracket (May be expanded to 2048 if high demand) Played on 9 ft Diamonds
Players can buy in at any level and/or rebuy as many times as they like until the bracket is full.

1st $1600
2nd $800
3rd/4th $300
With Full Bracket of 1024

Level----------Round of--------Race to-----Entry Fee
1------------------1024-------------1------------$5
2-------------------512--------------1-----------$10
3-------------------256--------------2-----------$20
4-------------------128--------------2-----------$40
5--------------------64--------------2------------$80
6--------------------32--------------3------------$160
7--------------------16--------------3--------------------------
8-------------8 (Quarter-final)-----3--------------------------
9-------------4 (Semi-final)--------4------------Loser 3rd/4th
10---------------2 (Final)-----------5------------Loser 2nd Winner 1st

So in this example a player has a shot at winning $1600 for as little as $5!

Please ask any questions about the format and I will answer them the best I can. This will provide clarity for others that are confused.
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Brilliant idea.I hope it catches on.
 
FASTEJ said:
Bob,

Before I make any comments on the tournament I wanted to give John Henderson (JRHENDY on these forums) a chance to give his thoughts as he is doing a little write-up about it. I think he is reviving a cuesports journal.

I want people to hear an unbiased opinion before I chime in. I am also curious to see his write up for he played in the One Pocket tournament and had a first hand experience with the whole thing.

If you can't wait for his write up, you probably have his number so you can give him a call and ask.

I will also be posting a complete follow up with my thoughts after John's write up.

If you can't wait for that, then you can pm me and I will give you some info.

Thanks for following up,

Edward
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So how did it work out, its been 5 months, So it seems to me how it worked out should be mentioned. I'm not going to call John and bug him,

thanks
Eric:smile:
 
fathomblue said:
Thank you. I'm planning on being in Tunica for TSC and I'd like to know how the proposed format will work down there.
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I'm thinking it will work a little better this time around because I have made some adjustments based on my experience at the RENO events.

Most of everything will be run just like the RENO events were run, just with tweaks to a couple of minor details. Like cutoff times to certain entries, a deadline to when lower level matches must be completed, and guaranteed first place prize money.
 
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There is something I need to do before I post in this thread again.

I would like to thank Mark Griffin and Cue Sports International for allowing me to introduce this new format at the USBTC in Reno earlier this year. He supported me because he saw something in this format that could possibly help the state of pool in the future. Even after the event he is still interested in getting feedback and trying to make this format work in the future.

Thank you to Bad Boys Billiard Productions and there staff, and also CSI staff for letting me work alongside them and making the PAY OR PLAY events happen.

Edward Asistin
 
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One of the things that kept happening in Reno was players asking how much money was in the prize pool. There were players that didn't enter because they were unsure of what they were playing for.

The remedy I came up for this is that hopefully in the future I can guarantee a minimum first place prize. This way players can make their decision on how much in entry fees they are willing to risk in order to try and win a guaranteed amount.

I was able to do this for the Tunica events in that there is a $1000 guaranteed first place for each of the 5 disciplines that are being offered, and that is thanks to KAMUI TIPS for being the main sponsor of the event.

Because of this, players now know that they can win $1000 with a entry fee from as low as $2.50 to $160.
 
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