Pedro 5th Inning.

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It was clear that Pedro released the shot after 50 second n the match against Jae H Cho. Anyone know if it was a penalty becuase it seemed like the point counted and Pedro got to shoot again. Or did i miss it??

It's great to see the shot clock being used...
 
It seemed to me, too, that it should have been a time clock foul. I have no idea how they decided otherwise. In Europe the penalty is the shot doesn't count and the opponent gets the break shot.
 
Does NOT matter about the 10 sec warning, he has eyes, he could of looked over at the clock and asked for an extension, very simple! IMO

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
 
exactly what happened

the above replyer is correct. the volunteer who was operating the shot clock had not been instructed that he was to say "10" out loud when the clock reached 10 seconds remaining. andrew janquitto, the usba president, had a short conference with the two players. sonny cho was asked to translate english to korean for jae cho. after about five minutes it was decided that the point would count.
this was the best match of the tournament. pedro: 40 (15)/jae: 30 (14).
 
no verbal warning

At the players' meeting, the use of the clock was discussed. It was agreed that a 10 second verbal warning would be issued. The timekeeper was just about to give Pedro the verbal 10 second warning, but he was told not to so, because Pedro was already down on the shot and was in the middle of his strokes.

This was a mistake on the part of the person who told the timekeeper not to issue the verbal warning. Pedro was not verbally warned. Therefore, the point counted. By the way, Pedro was losing the match at that moment...I believe the score was 16-24. The entire momentum of the match turned from that point onward.
 
Pedro 5th Inning

Didn't see this incident but I can see both sides.
From what I've seen in pro pool tourneys, they don't give the warning if the player is down for the shot even if the shot is taken a few seconds late. I can see that for common courtesy/concentration. If he/she stands back up, it was immediately given and player had to make quick decision. It does make it hard to draw the line if a player stays down for 20 seconds stroking and there was no warning.
I also see where the players have a responsibility to keep an eye on the clock.
Should it be made that all players get the warning no matter what stage of the shot they are in? That might annoy someone about to shoot but it would be the same for everybody. But then, what if the timekeeper fails to give the warning for any reason? Hopefully not because a vested interest in the outcome. I am not a real slow player and I do like the idea of a clock since waiting for a player to take 2 minutes for each shot in any type of game makes it a lot less fun/interesting.
Just my .02 that is worth .0002 due to inflation!
 
clock manager

three of the clock managers were volunteer teenagers from a local high school wrestling team. i could be wrong but i would have to believe that they didn't know anything about 3-cushion and were just instructed in how to work the clock. working the clock is by no means an easy task. one has to add each point as it is made, add innings, know when to reset the clock back to 50 seconds, know when to pause the clock when a player is not able to study a shot because a player at the adjacent table is in the way, know when to restart the clock when the player is once again able to study his shot and remember to say "10" when the shot clock is down to 10 seconds. the three kids did a great job.
 
Where I was sitting I couldn't see the clock so didn't realize it was getting close. Carlos Hallon thought the stroke was made prior to the alarm. Someone else claimed to see a replay and felt different. Looks like a coin toss and Pedro won.

It was a good game 2.+ average for both players.
 
r9ball said:
Should it be made that all players get the warning no matter what stage of the shot they are in? That might annoy someone about to shoot but it would be the same for everybody.
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It would be very annoying to give a loud 10 second warning when a player is about to shoot...but see what just happened???

Our 6 time national champion, Pedro, happens to be the slowest player in the states. His average shot clock is close to 40 seconds which is when the 10 sec warning is to be given. And don't expect Pedro to shoot when he's down and stroking because he sometimes get up and down two or three times before he actually does.

Im sure the Boards will figure out a solution. Eighter give the 10 sec warning everytime or Drop the rule and let the players be responsible for it. Or maybe some other solution...

I can see this happen again if an inexperience volunteer is to manage the shot clock.
 
The solution the World Cup has found is to have an automatic audible alarm that starts at 5 seconds.
 
The volunteers did an excellent job helping run the scoreboards and vacuum tables.

I was scoring the match next to the Pedro/Jae match. The volunteer did not give Pedro a 10 second warning. According to the rules the player must be given a 10 second warning.

I scored the Hugo/ Pedro final. I recollect giving Pedro roughly 5-6 10 second warnings and Hugo 1.

It is my opinion that time clocks must be used at least after the prelims. That is also the opinion of the majority of the USBA directors. I think the days of no shot clocks are behind us. However, I would shorten the shot clock time down to 40-45 seconds. Getting volunteers is the hard part. I'm glad Andy had the foresight to procure volunteers ahead of time.
 
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