Perception...what you see ain't always real

JB Cases said:
Well I am not a bird biologist or otherwise an expert in birds so I couldn't tell you if that is parrot or not. It might not be a real bird, could be a carving.

The aiming method I use puts me on the shot line without any illusions. Does it do it every time? No. That's the beauty of an objective method to use when perceiving the alignment. Please see below.

Really though what is it really if not a parrot? Don't tease us.
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That is basically a misnomer.

It's either an objective method & requires no perception or it is NOT & does require subjective perception.

From wisegeekhealth.com:

Subjective perception is the manner in which an individual views the physical world based on the workings of his own brain and sensory systems. Each individual has a brain, sensory systems, and cognitive structures that differ from those possessed by everyone else. As such, one cannot conclusively say that he hears or sees exactly what other people hear or see. The problem of subjective perception is very important in philosophy, brain science, and psychology, and is a significant barrier to establishing the conclusive objectivity of scientific findings. Perception can be shared only through communication, and no form of communication exists that can perfectly express one person's perception to another.

Best Wishes.
 
JB Cases said:
Thanks, those are really cool. I have seen other body paint illusions that were awesome.

Duckie is right that when using Ghost Ball type of aiming illusions can affect perception.

Luckily for me I have a method that takes all the illusions out.
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John,

I don't think Duckie Greg said that at all. You seem to be getting as bad as another member with putting words into the mouths of others that they did not say.

What 'illusion' does Ghost Ball present?

It presents no 'illusion'.

All you seem to want to do is go into threads & make inaccurate statements that pump up CTE to be more than it is & to put down other comparative methods.

Due to all of the inaccuracies about what you say or imply that others say or have said, to be quite honest, I'm starting to lose some respect for you. We ALL make mistakes, & those should certainly be forgiven, but when a pattern develops they should no longer be considered as innocent mistakes.

Maybe you should just slow down a bit & be more careful. I mean this with good intentions.

Best Wishes.
 
ENGLISH! said:
John,

I don't think Duckie Greg said that at all. You seem to be getting as bad as another member with putting words into the mouths of others that they did not say.

What 'illusion' does Ghost Ball present?

It presents no 'illusion'.

All you seem to want to do is go into threads & make inaccurate statements that pump up CTE to be more than it is & to put down other comparative methods.

Due to all of the inaccuracies about what you say or imply that others say or have said, to be quite honest, I'm starting to lose some respect for you. We ALL make mistakes, & those should certainly be forgiven, but when a pattern develops they should no longer be considered as innocent mistakes.

Maybe you should just slow down a bit & be more careful. I mean this with good intentions.

Best Wishes.
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John seems to be pretty honest on here and put out a lot of truthful info. Shame your reading comprehension of his posts are inferior to most others
 
ENGLISH! said:
John,

I don't think Duckie Greg said that at all. You seem to be getting as bad as another member with putting words into the mouths of others that they did not say.

What 'illusion' does Ghost Ball present?

It presents no 'illusion'.

All you seem to want to do is go into threads & make inaccurate statements that pump up CTE to be more than it is & to put down other comparative methods.

Due to all of the inaccuracies about what you say or imply that others say or have said, to be quite honest, I'm starting to lose some respect for you. We ALL make mistakes, & those should certainly be forgiven, but when a pattern develops they should no longer be considered as innocent mistakes.

Maybe you should just slow down a bit & be more careful. I mean this with good intentions.

Best Wishes.
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You're joking right? Imagining a ball where there is not isn't deliberately trying to create an illusion? Couple that with the shooter losing focus as the cut gets sharper and you have people consistently over or undercutting shots when they think they are dead on the right shot line.

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JB Cases said:
You're joking right? Imagining a ball where there is not isn't deliberately trying to create an illusion? Couple that with the shooter losing focus as the cut gets sharper and you have people consistently over or undercutting shots when they think they are dead on the right shot line.

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John,

Perhaps this type of thing is part of the ongoing issue.

You're mixing maters up.

Ghost ball, which is by 'definition' is where the cue ball needs pass through to make contact with the OB to pocket the ball presents & offers up no illusion. IT IS THE REALITY.

AND that was Duckie Greg's point.

Visualization is the process of representing abstract business or scientific data as images that can aid in understanding the meaning of the data.

If one's visualization is in accurate & THEY project the image incorrectly then they have made the error & not the Ghost Ball.

I guess one could then say the individual presented an illusion to themselves.

Best Wishes.
 
ENGLISH! said:
That is basically a misnomer.

It's either an objective method & requires no perception or it is NOT & does require subjective perception.

From wisegeekhealth.com:

Subjective perception is the manner in which an individual views the physical world based on the workings of his own brain and sensory systems. Each individual has a brain, sensory systems, and cognitive structures that differ from those possessed by everyone else. As such, one cannot conclusively say that he hears or sees exactly what other people hear or see. The problem of subjective perception is very important in philosophy, brain science, and psychology, and is a significant barrier to establishing the conclusive objectivity of scientific findings. Perception can be shared only through communication, and no form of communication exists that can perfectly express one person's perception to another.

Best Wishes.
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You can cut and paste. Is Wisegeek some kind of source for neuroscience research?

FYI we use language to convey instructions and concepts and we use imitation to learn movement.

The test is results oriented. CTE users own the top ranks of pocketing tests done on AZB.

Results trump assumptions. The goal is make as many of these shots as possible and CTE users outscore just about everyone.

So why should anyone care if in fact there was some trigger to the subconscious which automaticallycorrect forces the shooter into the shot shot line. If that's really your big issue you should be delivering carloads of players to Stan's door because those who mastered CTE outshoot just about everyone at the same skill level based on the tests iirc.

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JB Cases said:
You can cut and paste. Is Wisegeek some kind of source for neuroscience research?

FYI we use language to convey instructions and concepts and we use imitation to learn movement.

The test is results oriented. CTE users own the top ranks of pocketing tests done on AZB.

Results trump assumptions. The goal is make as many of these shots as possible and CTE users outscore just about everyone.

So why should anyone care if in fact there was some trigger to the subconscious which automaticallycorrect forces the shooter into the shot shot line. If that's really your big issue you should be delivering carloads of players to Stan's door because those who mastered CTE outshoot just about everyone at the same skill level based on the tests iirc.

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A long reply cut down to following as most of it was about you & Mr. Wilson would not like that.

So, because I can cut & paste a few items means that I have an 'auto copy generator'? Okay, if you say so.

One does not need imitation to learn movement. There are many books that use text to instruct one how to perform certain movements.

We've been through this test shot thing before with defined shots.

What if it was only CTE users that took those shot tests? They would hold every spot both top & bottom. What if those same shooters could have & probably would have held the top spots way before they ever heard of CTE.

Statistics can be made to imply what ever a person using them wants them to imply especially when certain aspects are left out.

The reason one should care is because people should be told THE TRUTH for them to then make their own determinations.

It seems that you want to entice individuals to try a method which is not what it is asserted to be & your, "so why would anyone care" argument seems to imply that you know that.

Best Wishes.
 
JB Cases said:
It is everything as claimed.

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No it's not.

Prove that 'it is every thing as claimed' with a rational logical explanation.

If it is as claimed, that should be a very easy thing to do, but it is not because the advocates start with a false premise & hence can not reach a valid conclusion through rational logical critical thinking & explanation.

It must then be taken on faith & that's really the issue.

Best Wishes.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
No it's not.

Prove that 'it is every thing as claimed' with a rational logical explanation.

If it is as claimed, that should be a very easy thing to do, but it is not because the advocates start with a false premise & hence can not reach a valid conclusion through rational logical critical thinking & explanation.

It must then be taken on faith & that's really the issue.

Best Wishes.
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In your opinion. However
CTE is everything that it is claimed to be and more.
More equals More confidence, and money made.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
lol

Maybe in that other dimension.

pj <- far away and long ago...
chgo
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And for the record, It's totally true.

CTE is completely and totally different than conventional methods for aiming.

And anytime that you want to take your naysayer position about that at a table with general onlookers I will be happy to advance my position. And I will put my money where my mouth is.......will you?

Stan Shuffett
 
JB Cases said:
In every dimension it is all that it is claimed to be.

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IF it is... then give a rational, logical, cognitive, sensible, reasonable, objective, description & explanation of how so.

You won't... because you can't... because it is NOT.

Best Wishes.

PS Science governs EVERY dimension, 2D, 3D, & 4D.
 
stan shuffett said:
...anytime that you want to take your naysayer position about that at a table with general onlookers I will be happy to advance my position. And I will put my money where my mouth is.......will you?

Stan Shuffett
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As you've heard many times, nothing we can do at a table can prove anything one way or the other about the CTE claims I say are mistaken. So the big bet and other theatrics would just be meaningless stunts - kinda like your repeated "challenges".

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
As you've heard many times, nothing we can do at a table can prove anything one way or the other about the CTE claims I say are mistaken. So the big bet and other theatrics would just be meaningless stunts - kinda like your repeated "challenges".

pj
chgo
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CTE is just as I have presented it.

I did not mention "big bet". A recent offer was that I put up $$ and you up nothing. So, do not twist things.

Theatrics! Lol . You are the only one engaged in theater, acting and pretending as if youare knowledgeable about CTE. If you are not pretending, then let's see just a little CTE on video.

Stan Shuffett
 
Patrick Johnson said:
As you've heard many times, nothing we can do at a table can prove anything one way or the other about the CTE claims I say are mistaken. So the big bet and other theatrics would just be meaningless stunts - kinda like your repeated "challenges".

pj
chgo
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"Nothing we can do at a table can prove anything one way or the other about CTE claims"..."Videos prove nothing about CTE claims or balls going into pockets"..."Successful users claims and videos about CTE working as taught prove nothing...

I guess there's only one thing that proves or disproves CTE claims...YOUR OWN PAT JOHNSON BIG MOUTH AND THE GARBAGE THAT PUKES OUT OF IT AS IT HAS FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES.

Only that can be the gospel truth!
 
Patrick Johnson said:
lol

Must be past your nap time.

pj <- maybe a sippy cup of juice?
chgo
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It's past your time of being an anti-CTE hating troll. You now qualify for retirement with your number of years served. Too bad you can't get a pension for all the hard work. Go sip your on cup of juice or soup. I'd like to suggest Kool Aid.
 
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