Perfect aim - review

[SpiderWebComm]

Wow! Did you actually just say that you would do exactly what you are accusing PJ of doing, if you get something for it?



Steve

You guys need to read before mouthing. I accused PJ of posting INACCURATE INFO. That's how I left it. That's a fact. PJ wants to know what's inaccurate and it's not my place to OUT GENE further. In post 62 I said that'd be his move.

PJ was wrong to post the details of Gene's video in his review. I never said I was going to post the rest - ever--- PJ wanted that. So, I'm not going to wrong Gene further just to make PJ look stupid (which he is) unless there's something in it... I'd donate the $$$$ to Gene.

So, read the posts before clicking the lips

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Wow! Did you actually just say that you would do exactly what you are accusing PJ of doing, if you get something for it?



Steve

Yes he most certainly did.
But i'd be willing to bet that he'd do anything to try and diminish the memory of that whole "chucking of the cue" fiasco.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Yes he most certainly did.
But i'd be willing to bet that he'd do anything to try and diminish the memory of that whole "chucking of the cue" fiasco.

I know you're a superstar player... I've heard it from a lot of people. I'm sure we could make a fair game if I throw the cue on every shot that's possible... that's gotta be worth some weight. You can rob me and throw a cut back to your gf PJ.

 

[Clark_the_Shark]

Dave, you know I like you and we get along... but to a layman here, it's percieved as though you contradicted yourself... if you could clarify, that would be great...

In your post (#141) you said...

I never said I was going to post the rest - ever

And in post #139 (the one just before that) you say...

I will post the info if PJ wants to bet that his post was accurate.

Can you see how that could be construed?

 

[SUPERSTAR]

How can anyone believe any information, right or wrong, that comes out of the mouth of someone who advocates for chucking your cue during a shot.

When the videos get posted about how chucking your cue will revolutionize someones game, and clear examples of power draws are done in various REAL LIFE situations, where the cue doesn't crash into all the other balls on the table, and one has no fear of fouling as a result of this, maybe, just maybe, Spidey might gain back some of the credibility that was lost.

It's been over a year now, and still ZIP, ZILCH, NADA.

and i don't want to show up at the expo, i want the videos of real game play power draws with other balls on the table, POSTED.

Till then, everything Spidey says is tainted info.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Dave, you know I like you and we get along... but to a layman here, it's percieved as though you contradicted yourself... if you could clarify, that would be great...

In your very last post you said...


And in your second to last post (the one just before that) you say...


Can you see how that could be construed?

Sure the first quote meant ever in the thread previous. I never said PJ was inaccurate and I was gonna fill in the blanks. PJ responded asking to to fill it the blanks and I said no - then he got cocky - and then I said "how sure are you?"

Hope that brings the laymen up to speed.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I know you're a superstar player... I've heard it from a lot of people. I'm sure we could make a fair game if I throw the cue on every shot that's possible... that's gotta be worth some weight. You can rob me and throw a cut back to your gf PJ.

Nah man, it has nothing to do with who plays good or not or some game.

It has to do with no one in their right mind (right mind being the two key words), no one in their right mind is going to chuck a cue during match play or competition if they want to win.

To prove a point, yes, you can chuck away all you like, but in real life scenarios, NO ONE is going to do it.
If you are going to go on the road and chucking your cue is the gimmick that is gonna sucker everyone in, go to it.
When i hear of the legendary road player who chucked his cue and robbed everyone, then i might start to believe.

POST THE VIDEOS so you can get your credibility back, and you can proudly argue about theory unimpaired by us know nothings.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

How can anyone believe any information, right or wrong, that comes out of the mouth of someone who advocates for chucking your cue during a shot.

When the videos get posted about how chucking your cue will revolutionize someones game, and clear examples of power draws are done in various REAL LIFE situations, where the cue doesn't crash into all the other balls on the table, and one has no fear of fouling as a result of this, maybe, just maybe, Spidey might gain back some of the credibility that was lost.

It's been over a year now, and still ZIP, ZILCH, NADA.

and i don't want to show up at the expo, i want the videos of real game play power draws with other balls on the table, POSTED.

Till then, everything Spidey says is tainted info.

I throw my cue on almost every 14.1 break shot I shoot. I also throw on long straight-ins if I am able to. I don't throw if it's not feasible.

I can draw the length of the table with a throw. It's simple - if you don't think I can - make me prove it. Otherwise, stfu SuperScared

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Nah man, it has nothing to do with who plays good or not or some game.

It has to do with no one in their right mind (right mind being the two key words), no one in their right mind is going to chuck a cue during match play or competition if they want to win.

To prove a point, yes, you can chuck away all you like, but in real life scenarios, NO ONE is going to do it.
If you are going to go on the road and chucking your cue is the gimmick that is gonna sucker everyone in, go to it.
When i hear of the legendary road player who chucked his cue and robbed everyone, then i might start to believe.

POST THE VIDEOS so you can get your credibility back, and you can proudly argue about theory unimpaired by us know nothings.

Gene Nagy isn't legendary?? I don't need to get credibility back cause i never lost it. You don't like it - don't do it. If I was out of my mind to do it- I'd never do it. I could care less what you believe... nor do I care what you say. For me - it's strong. If we ever played 14.1 and the breakshots start exploding like 9-ball breaks- you'd figure it out pretty fast.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

It's quite simple.
You OFFERED to post the videos of you doing a table length draw shot, and you never did. This was when you were advocating for throwing the cue, and defending it.
Yet now that it is brought up again, NOW, you need to be paid or win a bet for that video. LOL. The word NIT comes to mind.

You have the solution.
It's not that hard.
If you want credibility, post up a nice 30 ball run where you are throwing your cue in 14.1

Till you post the videos like you claimed you would, EVERYTHING you say, is taken with a grain of salt.

I don't care if PJ is the wrongest wrong in the universe, YOU can't criticize cause you haven't backed up what you said you would.
Your whole opinion is tainted by this, to those of us that remember, and we can't take what you say seriously.

It all ends with you posting the video and settling it.
Till then, PJ wins by default as your credibility is shot.

 

[Pete]

I obtained a Perfect Aim dvd so that I could review it for AZB. It’s apparently the second Perfect Aim dvd, which Gene Albrecht, its author, says contains some new and/or updated info – I haven’t seen the first one. The dvd is almost exactly one hour in length and features Gene at a pool table with his cue stick, a cue ball and an object ball describing and demonstrating the Perfect Aim method. I watched it all the way through carefully.

My opinion: it’s so bad that it doesn’t really deserve a serious review, and I wouldn't bother except for the fact that Gene continues to promote it heavily on AZB, makes extraordinary claims for its uniqueness and effectiveness, and asks an outrageous price for it ($80!).

My advice: save your money and instead reread some AZB threads on the topic.

Perfect Aim is nothing more than Gene’s opinion that we should sight all pool shots by aligning the “inside” edge of the CB with the place on the OB where it should overlap for the cut angle we want, and that we should position the eye nearest that side of the CB directly over this line to get the truest picture of it. For instance:

- for a 30-degree cut to the left (a 1/2 ball hit), sight from the CB’s left edge to the exact center of the OB by positioning the left eye over that line

- for a 49-degree cut to the right (a 1/4 ball hit), sight from the CB’s right edge to the point 1/2 radius in from the OB’s left edge by positioning the right eye over that line

- for a straight shot, sight from the CB’s edge to the OB’s edge by positioning the dominant eye over that line (obviously, using the edges on the dominant eye side)

That’s really all there is to the technique, and it’s obviously nothing new to AZB (and not proprietary intellectual property). Aligning the CB’s edge with the overlap point on the OB is simply the well known “double overlap” or “double offset” system, and positioning the eye directly over this line is one of several possible eye positions that have been extensively discussed and debated here. Gene seems to think that his opinion about the correct answer to this narrow question is worth $80 - I don’t think it’s worth very much at all, but maybe that’s just me.

I don’t know why Gene thinks this small topic should take an hour to explain and demonstrate – there’s really no more than ten or fifteen minutes worth of basic information (which, again, we’ve all heard before). I’m not counting his description of his technique for measuring cut angles and judging CB/OB overlap because, frankly, it’s not real information – it’s poorly conceived, imprecise and geometrically inaccurate.

I’m also not counting his description of his supposedly improved method of finding the dominant eye because, frankly, it’s not real information either – it’s vague and unreliable (literally “move your head until the shot looks good”), and in the end it doesn’t matter anyway because half the shots use the non-dominant eye (even though the first thing Gene emphasizes at the beginning of the dvd is that finding and knowing your dominant eye is the most important part of the Perfect Aim technique… ?).

As for Gene’s presentation style, organization and ability to communicate - well, let’s just say he shouldn’t quit his day job. Some blaring examples are (1) his non-description of how to find the dominant eye, (2) his insistence on the dominant eye's importance followed by his immediate abandonment of that idea, and (3) the fact that he describes how to sight a straight shot first, but doesn’t reveal until near the end of the dvd that you’re supposed to sight that shot from edge to edge and not from center to center. In general he’s much less articulate when speaking on camera than when writing on AZB - maybe because he’s more of a salesman than an instructor.

Production quality is amateur – every segment is done in one still-camera take with very little editing, Gene’s voice is cut off mid sentence at the end of some segments, etc., but this is a minor drawback that could have been overlooked if the dvd’s content was new or valuable (and it didn’t cost $80!).

Although Gene probably won’t appreciate me saying so at this point, I think he’s a likable and sincere guy who honestly thinks he has a uniquely beneficial technique to teach – I just think he’s wrong about the technique and the wrong guy to teach it. I also acknowledge that Gene is a very good player with many high-level tournament notches on his belt – I just don’t think that matters here.

pj
chgo

Now I got the DVD. I will say it seems pricey, but I got a lot from it.

I didn't get what you got:

"for a 30-degree cut to the left (a 1/2 ball hit), sight from the CB’s left edge to the exact center of the OB by positioning the left eye over that line

- for a 49-degree cut to the right (a 1/4 ball hit), sight from the CB’s right edge to the point 1/2 radius in from the OB’s left edge by positioning the right eye over that line

- for a straight shot, sight from the CB’s edge to the OB’s edge by positioning the dominant eye over that line (obviously, using the edges on the dominant eye side)"

I precevied what Gene said quite a bit diffrently. What I mean is the way you're explaining isn't what I understood from it.

I'm not a good player so I won't debate it with any one, but now I will need to watch it again, and call Gene...

Pete

 

[SpiderWebComm]

It's quite simple.
You OFFERED to post the videos of you doing a table length draw shot, and you never did. This was when you were advocating for throwing the cue, and defending it.
Yet now that it is brought up again, NOW, you need to be paid or win a bet for that video. LOL. The word NIT comes to mind.

You have the solution.
It's not that hard.
If you want credibility, post up a nice 30 ball run where you are throwing your cue in 14.1

Till you post the videos like you claimed you would, EVERYTHING you say, is taken with a grain of salt.

I don't care if PJ is the wrongest wrong in the universe, YOU can't criticize cause you haven't backed up what you said you would.
Your whole opinion is tainted by this, to those of us that remember, and we can't take what you say seriously.

It all ends with you posting the video and settling it.
Till then, PJ wins by default as your credibility is shot.

I think I lost interest because at the time, I had already posted 2 videos of cue throwing within a week. I also posted a bunch of 30+ ball runs. I've run over 30 so many times I've lost count. In fact, I've posted a lot of runs. How about you post a video of you running 30+ balls?

Otherwise, you're a nit non-player with a superstar name. I can produce yet another 30+ video at will. Can you?

 

[Clark_the_Shark]

You know what Pete... you are correct, after re-reading his points 1 & 2 I do see the discrepancies...

PJ... SpiderWebbComm has a point... you are posting up information that is inaccurate and the review is based falsely on that.

 

[Pete]

You know what Pete... you are correct, after re-reading his points 1 & 2 I do see the discrepancies...

PJ, Spider has a point... you are posting up information that is inaccurate and the review is based falsely on that.

Thanks, I will re watch it and call Gene still. Maybe I only got what I thought I got, like so many others in life...

Pete

 

[pooltchr]

Now I got the DVD. I will say it seems pricey, but I got a lot from it.

I didn't get what you got:

"for a 30-degree cut to the left (a 1/2 ball hit), sight from the CB’s left edge to the exact center of the OB by positioning the left eye over that line

- for a 49-degree cut to the right (a 1/4 ball hit), sight from the CB’s right edge to the point 1/2 radius in from the OB’s left edge by positioning the right eye over that line

- for a straight shot, sight from the CB’s edge to the OB’s edge by positioning the dominant eye over that line (obviously, using the edges on the dominant eye side)"

I precevied what Gene said quite a bit diffrently. What I mean is the way you're explaining isn't what I understood from it.

I'm not a good player so I won't debate it with any one, but now I will need to watch it again, and call Gene...

Pete

Be careful there, Pete. Someone might accuse you of divulging privileged information from the DVD!
:grin:

Steve

 

[cookie man]

Spider;

"So Dave Nelson hated the video..."

Where did I say That?

Here is what I have said; To begin, I stated to Gene that I was skeptical but would buy the dvd anyway, I did. I then stated, after watching the dvd twice and taking it to the table and trying to work with it, that I was disappointed but not surprised, that I had been there before. I said that if I had seen the dvd before buying it I wouldn't have paid 5 bucks for it.

It's not the first one and it probably won't be the last. I fact, if
Gene happened to be real close by some time I would even pay $150.00 for a personal lesson. Hope springs eternal.

Dave Nelson

It would be 150 dollars well spent.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I think I lost interest because at the time, I had already posted 2 videos of cue throwing within a week. I also posted a bunch of 30+ ball runs. I've run over 30 so many times I've lost count. In fact, I've posted a lot of runs. How about you post a video of you running 30+ balls?

Otherwise, you're a nit non-player with a superstar name. I can produce yet another 30+ video at will. Can you?

First off, i never made any mention of my ability. You on the other hand, did.
In this thread, i also never made any claims about being able to do something. You on the other hand, did.

We all know that when you look past these things, these are simply there to veil your true intention, which is for me to identify myself to you.
Otherwise, the whole meet and greet at the expo wouldn't even have come up, and you would have posted the video like you said you would originally.
Sorry to say, it's not going to happen. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
It doesn't mean that i don't like you, but it's not gonna happen.

You can say anything you'd like about how much i suck, how i am a nit, how much i'm not like my handle, but the fact remains, that in this thread, i have made no claims about myself at all.

You on the other hand, HAVE made claims. And when your cue chucking prowess came into question, you went off about it.

If you are claiming to be able to run 30 balls, i am not questioning that. Not in the least. Surely someone who has a table in their house, who is as passionate about pool as you are, has run 30+ balls.
What i AM questioning is if you are running 30 balls AT WILL, chucking your cue.
This is what you claimed, isn't it?

Why should i do anything when i haven't claimed it?

As i said before, till you back up the claim that YOU made (not some claim that you somehow think that I made) you have no credibility.

For all PJ's wit, sarcasm, belligerence, contempt, etc. etc. He has yet to say something on par with your "chucking of the cue" that would bring EVERYTHING he has to say, into question.
People might not like what he has to say, but they aren't dismissing him simply because he promoted something completely preposterous like your "chucking of the cue", and then failed to back it up when people questioned it as being knowledge from the gods.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

You know what Pete... you are correct, after re-reading his points 1 & 2 I do see the discrepancies...

PJ... SpiderWebbComm has a point... you are posting up information that is inaccurate and the review is based falsely on that.

If you think there's something inaccurate in my description, please point out what it is - otherwise I can't respond.

Anyway, my review isn't based on the detailed accuracy of that description (although I think it's accurate); it's based on the fact that the video teaches only one of a variety of already well known techniques, insists that it's the only valid technique, and teaches it pretty poorly. The very fact that you're uncertain whether my simple description is accurate or not shows the lack of clarity in the presentation.

pj
chgo

 

[SpiderWebComm]

First off, i never made any mention of my ability. You on the other hand, did.
In this thread, i also never made any claims about being able to do something. You on the other hand, did.

We all know that when you look past these things, these are simply there to veil your true intention, which is for me to identify myself to you.
Otherwise, the whole meet and greet at the expo wouldn't even have come up, and you would have posted the video like you said you would originally.
Sorry to say, it's not going to happen. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
It doesn't mean that i don't like you, but it's not gonna happen.

You can say anything you'd like about how much i suck, how i am a nit, how much i'm not like my handle, but the fact remains, that in this thread, i have made no claims about myself at all.

You on the other hand, HAVE made claims. And when your cue chucking prowess came into question, you went off about it.

If you are claiming to be able to run 30 balls, i am not questioning that. Not in the least. Surely someone who has a table in their house, who is as passionate about pool as you are, has run 30+ balls.
What i AM questioning is if you are running 30 balls AT WILL, chucking your cue.
This is what you claimed, isn't it?

Why should i do anything when i haven't claimed it?

As i said before, till you back up the claim that YOU made (not some claim that you somehow think that I made) you have no credibility.

For all PJ's wit, sarcasm, belligerence, contempt, etc. etc. He has yet to say something on par with your "chucking of the cue" that would bring EVERYTHING he has to say, into question.
People might not like what he has to say, but they aren't dismissing him simply because he promoted something completely preposterous like your "chucking of the cue", and then failed to back it up when people questioned it as being knowledge from the gods.

Fair enough. Stand by.... youtube is processing the video. I was gonna shoot 10 shots but I liked my 2nd shot. And quote me where I said I can run 30 at will chucking my cue. I said I can make a video of me running 30 at will. It wouldn't take long to get on tape. I said I can draw the length of the table throwing the cue. That's what you're calling me out on - so I made a video cause, I like you too.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I drew it 15 diamonds to be exact (while throwing the cue)