Perfect Aim Video and Lesson Phoenix

SpiderWebComm said:
TOP LEFT: *** Kill road runner by ramming balls down his throat
BOTTOM: *** If road runner wins last set and I can't cover, CTE-my-ass out of Dodge!

I can't wait to see the video and report back. I agree with the premise completely as I do something similar with CTE/ETE - I'm eager to see the technique.
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Joey, I just took the time to study the CTE you sent me. I kind of glanced before and I could see that it is nothing like Perfect Aim. Some of it is just common knowledge and the pivoting will allow people to get their eyes in the proper position if they work hard at it but they need to know where perfect is. Center to edge is in many books. If your eye aimed throught the center of the ball it would be good. But it doesn't on most shots. I said enough. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what Perfect Aim will do for your game and the ease at which you will understand it. I wish I was there in person to work with you. You seem like a real nice guy. Good Luck and I'll talk to you later. Geno..............

And I had a change in plans. I'm not going to Denver on the 1st. I'm going to Reno to play in the big 10 ball 8-ball tourny Aug 14-23. Give the boys a little taste of perfect aim. I can spend about a week giving the Perfect Aim lesson to the local and who knows I might even win one of those tournaments.
 
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PAMike said:
I received my Perfect Aim video and I have to say, I immediately started missing the easiest shots

Kidding, just kidding

I got it SUPER FAST, Thank You very much, I'll be watching it tonight and working with it over the weekend, will certainly report my results!
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Mr Mike, I get excited every time I get a message like yours. I want to be right there helping you learn. It's simple but still work at it really hard. Concentrate harder than you ever did before because now you have something to concentrate on. Before you would give up on a shot. You had it aimed the best that you could. Now you don't have to give up on any shot. You can line the eyes up perfect. That will be your biggest challenge. Not to give up on any shot. Have fun with your new toy. PERFECT AIM Geno.
 
genomachino said:
Joey, I just took the time to study the CTE you sent me. I kind of glanced before and I could see that it is nothing like Perfect Aim. Some of it is just common knowledge and the pivoting will allow people to get their eyes in the proper position if they work hard at it but they need to know where perfect is. Center to edge is in many books. If your eye aimed throught the center of the ball it would be good. But it doesn't on most shots. I said enough. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what Perfect Aim will do for your game and the ease at which you will understand it. I wish I was there in person to work with you. You seem like a real nice guy. Good Luck and I'll talk to you later. Geno..............

And I had a change in plans. I'm not going to Denver on the 1st. I'm going to Reno to play in the big 10 ball 8-ball tourny Aug 14-23. Give the boys a little taste of perfect aim. I can spend about a week giving the Perfect Aim lesson to the local and who knows I might even win one of those tournaments.
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That SpiderWebComm didn't have enough with Dave as his name. Now he's gone and taken mine too.

BTW Geno, Where will you be from now until August 14th?
JoeyA
 
Aiming

Gene i have a couple of freinds that took lessons from you maybe year and half 2 years ago when you was in Missouri.I dont remember either one of these guys talking about your perfect aim system.I was wondering did you teach it back then ?

I do remeber them telling me that you had a real good system for balls that are real close.Do you go over that in your dvd?

Also are you ever comimng back to Mo ?wouldnt mind get some lessons from
you.
 
The problem is, every year, some body new, comes out with the latest greatest super duper aim system that will turn you into Mosconi overnight.

And they were all snakeoil. Hal ran around for a decade giving his system away, and he had 3, and if one was best, why did he have 3?

These guys are a sucker for a new aim system. They will buy anything that promises a fast cure, just like a bottle of snake oil.

And they all have been burned. Over and over they have been burned. Like the man say, one is born, every minute.

One guy a few years ago had a vhs tape out for $39, that ran 6 minutes. It was a total rip off.

$250 sounds like a lot for a lesson that should take 40 minutes. Are not most lesson fees, 50 to 75 an hour, rarely over 100. If you can get it in 40 minutes, why do you have to spend 2 hours on it. Then should not your DVD be 2 hours?

And $69 sound like way too much for a video that should sell for $29 to $35. It sounds like to me, your high price is scaring most off.

If you lowered the price of your video perhaps you would sell twice as many, and if your product is as great as you say it is, and I would assume it is, then you will generate more sales, from those referrals player to player.
 
shawnbarley said:
The problem is, every year, some body new, comes out with the latest greatest super duper aim system that will turn you into Mosconi overnight.

And they were all snakeoil. Hal ran around for a decade giving his system away, and he had 3, and if one was best, why did he have 3?

These guys are a sucker for a new aim system. They will buy anything that promises a fast cure, just like a bottle of snake oil.

And they all have been burned. Over and over they have been burned. Like the man say, one is born, every minute.

One guy a few years ago had a vhs tape out for $39, that ran 6 minutes. It was a total rip off.

$250 sounds like a lot for a lesson that should take 40 minutes. Are not most lesson fees, 50 to 75 an hour, rarely over 100. If you can get it in 40 minutes, why do you have to spend 2 hours on it. Then should not your DVD be 2 hours?

And $69 sound like way too much for a video that should sell for $29 to $35. It sounds like to me, your high price is scaring most off.

If you lowered the price of your video perhaps you would sell twice as many, and if your product is as great as you say it is, and I would assume it is, then you will generate more sales, from those referrals player to player.
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So you want to buy the snake oil but think the price is to high?
 
shawnbarley said:
The problem is, every year, some body new, comes out with the latest greatest super duper aim system that will turn you into Mosconi overnight.

And they were all snakeoil. Hal ran around for a decade giving his system away, and he had 3, and if one was best, why did he have 3?

These guys are a sucker for a new aim system. They will buy anything that promises a fast cure, just like a bottle of snake oil.

And they all have been burned. Over and over they have been burned. Like the man say, one is born, every minute.

One guy a few years ago had a vhs tape out for $39, that ran 6 minutes. It was a total rip off.



$250 sounds like a lot for a lesson that should take 40 minutes. Are not most lesson fees, 50 to 75 an hour, rarely over 100. If you can get it in 40 minutes, why do you have to spend 2 hours on it. Then should not your DVD be 2 hours?

And $69 sound like way too much for a video that should sell for $29 to $35. It sounds like to me, your high price is scaring most off.

If you lowered the price of your video perhaps you would sell twice as many, and if your product is as great as you say it is, and I would assume it is, then you will generate more sales, from those referrals player to player.
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Totally respect your post. I disagree on the pricing, however, but time will tell. The testimonials, taken at face value are good. A bad cold and sinus infection has delayed my working with the video, but I plan to give my honest review.
 
For those interested in another pro player's view on sighting that hasn't been mentioned yet, Joe Tucker has posted a free 5 part video series online. He clearly discusses his approach to sighting as it relates to varying degrees of eye dominance, and how to balance your sight picture and straighten your stick:

Joe Tucker Sighting Part 1

Joe Tucker Sighting Part 2

I pointed the first link to skip past the 2 minute music intro :) Parts 3-5 are posted as well, but are more about applying the info to practice with his 3rd Eye Stroke Trainer (a useful device, btw, especially with larger carom balls).

I'm very skeptical of any method that claims to be simple and to work for everyone. Testimonials are not evidence because there are too many other psychological factors involved. As they say, the plural of anecdote is not data! That's why scientists invented controlled double-blind experiments. :)

Visual perception is a very complicated subject thanks to issues of binocular vision like stereopsis, depth perception, parallax, eye dominance, etc as well as further cognitive processing of received images. There are no simple models, and I'd be suspicious of anyone that claimed to have one. I've found Joe Tucker's advice useful, but even he admits imperfect understanding and the possibility of a placebo effect at work.

Robert

"The truth is rarely pure and never simple." - Oscar Wilde

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard Feynman
 
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I don't know what the rush is, every sight system that has came out, all the secrets to it, were up here in detail within 2 weeks. This ploce has more leaks in it than the Titanic and more big mouths than Bass pro outlet.

All those systems that came out. Did not each one of them, have the answer to it all. Let me see, if all 10 of them, had the answer, then why do we have 10 of them? Why don't we have just one now? Pool & Billiards has been played worldwide now and studied in detail since the 1700's. And in over 350 years, somebody now, finally figures out how to aim right? Think about that one for a while please. Nobody figured it out, before him?

Here is another question, P&B did a survey a few years ago with 35 male and female pros on what aiming system they used, and they all said, they did not have one. They just saw the shot using visualation. But they tell you guys, they use one.

So my question is, does only a beginner or intermediate need one, and should he lose it and stop using it when he becomes advanced.

Aim perfect, but if your grip and stroke are crooked, and your stance is bad, you still miss. This is just one component, of many that have to all be in sinc.

And one final question, You can go in a pool magazine and see top pros with the cue shaft right down their nose like Jeanette Lee, some right over their right eye, some over their left, and most champions had the shaft across the nose at a 45 degree angle, 4 different ways. Which one is right? Every one see's different?

Yes Joe Tucker is right, nobody can see the center of the cue ball, 99% of you can't find it. You think you do, but you don't. The only ones who are on it, are the one's who have been trained on how to find it. Joe has some good things.

Or at least that's my story and I'm stickin to it. Wadda do I no? All I know, is I no nuttin. nuk nuk nuk.
 
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you got your wish gene!

Well Gene, you finally got the negative feed back that you were expecting. The only thing is that it came from people that haven't seen your DVD and are very close minded.

OK AZ, here goes, I am finally going to give the whole picture on this deal. I live in MN, and I have worked with Gene and own his DVD. I may not have the reputation on AZ that some others have, but I can say that I am very skeptical, and I understand where these other posters are coming from. For example, in the million and one aiming threads that have been posted with CTE, fractional aiming, double the distance, etc, etc, I have had not one post and have been a bit close minded myself.

See, when I am playing well I have no problem making all of the shots, and play at a very competitive level. Therefor I felt that I knew all I needed to know, and just needed to practice more to get to the next level. The problem is that I have a family and job, and don't get to compete with world class players regularly. I was getting frustrated and thought that maybe I had reached the end of the road as far as skill level until I was willing to give up everything I had to play pool full time (that won't happen).

I am glad that I spoke with Gene. Gene's techniques ARE NOT ANOTHER AIMING SYSTEM. I am more open minded to his instructions because it really doesn't require that I make any major changes in what I am already using to aim (I don't use an aiming system, if I do it would be mainly ghost ball, some contact point to contact point, not big on fractional aiming). His instructions simply show you how to consistently and predictably do what you do the same things that you currently do now when you are in dead stroke and seeing the shots well.

In addition to his perfect aim technique, he does also show you the aiming systems that he does use, but again, this is optional as his methods work with all systems. He also shows some incredible practice tools and methods that have helped me out tremendously with some trouble shots.

Finally, for those of you that haven't seen him play, let me tell you this. I have read the books- playing off the rail, hustlin days, etc. Every book has stories about guys in the glory days that would catch an unbelievable gear and not miss a ball, ever. Kieth McCready, Louie Roberts, Big Train Stevens, etc, were rumored to have caught gears so unbelievable that if they could see the ball it was in the hole.

I didn't use to believe this. I though, BS, I have seen SVB and Earl play perfect, even the best miss balls, I'm sure that these old timers played great but I have seen pool at it's best, these stories were just exaggerations from the pre-accustats days.

Well, let me tell you, last time I played Gene I suddenly knew what they were talking about. Don't get me wrong- Gene's break didn't rival SVBs, his patterns and speed control weren't as solid as Sigel's. He probably isn't a threat in a world championship (I said probably). But let me assure you this- on a 9 foot diamond table with very tight pockets and used cloth he made every damn thing that he shot at for quite a while. His confidence in his pocketing abilities allowed him to take what the table gave him and accept shots that I would be 10-20% to make and then calmly lag them in to the hole.

So if you don't want to spend the $150 or whatever to buy the DVD and lesson, try playing him a set for $150. I'm guessing you'll end up spending your second shell on his DVD, and, even if you don't do everything that he does exactly, I can't imaging that you'll be disappointed.

OK, Gene, I'm practicing, you're going to have to earn the Shooting Star title...
 
This is Gene's thread. He has been posting in a very positive and helpful sense. Why come on his thread and blast everything with a negative attitude.

Ask youself: What have I contributed to the world today that will help the world be a better place?

shawnbarley... you should start your own thread and leave Gene's thread alone. That's how it's done. You don't bash a man in his own living room. What you are doing is rude and disrespectful, especially for a newcomer to the forums.
 
This is not Gene's thread that nobody can ask questions and everyone has to go yo baby. This thread, belongs to us all, does it not? We can't have any free speech here, that is what you are saying?

He is pitching a new product, when questions hit, he calls you to go beat up on me to run me off this topic. That is how this works?

I did not bash him, no way. I just asked questions, he is refusing to answer. When you sell anything new, you have to answer questions, or people will think you are hiding something.

I think it would be wonderful he has hit on something new. If he has, I will be his best supporter and cheer leader. If he lowers the price on it, I will even buy one. I think we should support any new idea, that actually works.

But if he is only going to allow staged praise and not answer solid resonable questions, this, I will have a problem with. All I have seen is 12 pages where he goes on this is the greatest and explains nothing. Did I miss something?
Sorry, did not want to toss water on the hall le lew ya parade here. But can we slow down and have a debate.

First off, $69 for a 40 minute DVD, is ridiculous. Lets begin there. Debate that one first. Show me any other pool DVD selling for that. :D

Or at least that's my story and I'm stickin to it. Wadda do I no? All I know, is I no nuttin. I am not the brightest candle in this church. But you have already figured that one out by now. nuk nuk nuk.
 
shawnbarley said:
First off, $69 for a 40 minute DVD, is ridiculous. Lets begin there. Debate that one first. Show me any other pool DVD selling for that. :D
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http://home.comcast.net/~nenenews/kinister/bert_kinister_pool_videos.html

That is Bert Kinisters $100 DVD. :p

I think Gene has done a great job selling his product. He has even sent a copy to Spidey for a review. I think it's a bit premature to debate anything until we know what exactly is on the DVD. I don't expect Gene to come on here and just give the information away. If the info is 40 minutes of information that will give you the ability to win one tournament this year it's worth what you paid for it. JMO
 
eezbank said:
http://home.comcast.net/~nenenews/kinister/bert_kinister_pool_videos.html

That is Bert Kinisters $100 DVD. :p


That is for five DVD's. Look again, its $31.

That is what his should be, $31, not $69, back to that debate, since you tried to con me on that one.

When you win a championship, when you actually go up a full level, which will take months to occur, talk to me then. So far, this is all hype and hysteria. The hysteria is somebody is asking questions. Man am I beginning to smell snake oil now, red flags are hitting the tops of all my flag poles.

Look, it was just said, you gotta be some great player to know about this, meaning what do i know. Right, I cant play a lick, hell my high run is 4 and I lied about that. Since Gene is not a world champion, then how about I bring in a big bunch of world champions, who will discuss in detail, honestly and frankly how they aim and what their secrets are:

Lets get me out of that loop real quick. You debate what they have to say, how about that one?

http://www.sfbilliards.com/PnB_aiming.pdf

:thumbup:

I understand how this works, you have to bang the drum, bring them up to the wagon, then convince them you have a problem, then you sell them a bottle of snake oil that cures all of what they may have.

I think we have trouble, right here in River city?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI



Or at least that's my story and I'm stickin to it. Wadda do I no? All I know, is I no nuttin. nuk nuk nuk.
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shawnbarley said:
eezbank said:
http://home.comcast.net/~nenenews/kinister/bert_kinister_pool_videos.html

That is Bert Kinisters $100 DVD. :p


That is for five DVD's. Look again, its $31.

That is what his should be, $31, not $69, back to that debate, since you tried to con me on that one.

When you win a championship, when you actually go up a full level, which will take months to occur, talk to me then. So far, this is all hype and hysteria. The hysteria is somebody is asking questions. Man and I beginning to smell snake oil now, red flags are hitting the tops of all my flag poles.

Look, it was just said, you gotta be some great player to know about this, meaning what do i know. Right, I cant play a lick, hell my high run is 4 and I lied about that. Since Gene is not a world champion, then how about I bring in a big bunch of world champions, who will discuss in detail, honestly and frankly how they aim and what their secrets are:

Lets get me out of that loop real quick. You debate what they have to say, how about that one?

http://www.sfbilliards.com/PnB_aiming.pdf

:thumbup:

Or at least that's my story and I'm stickin to it. Wadda do I no? All I know, is I no nuttin. nuk nuk nuk.
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Look again. Volume 60
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shawnbarley said:
This is not Gene's thread that nobody can ask questions and everyone has to go yo baby. This thread, belongs to us all, does it not? We can't have any free speech here, that is what you are saying?

He is pitching a new product, when questions hit, he calls you to go beat up on me to run me off this topic. That is how this works?

I did not bash him, no way. I just asked questions, he is refusing to answer. When you sell anything new, you have to answer questions, or people will think you are hiding something.

I think it would be wonderful he has hit on something new. If he has, I will be his best supporter and cheer leader. If he lowers the price on it, I will even buy one. I think we should support any new idea, that actually works.

But if he is only going to allow staged praise and not answer solid resonable questions, this, I will have a problem with. All I have seen is 12 pages where he goes on this is the greatest and explains nothing. Did I miss something?
Sorry, did not want to toss water on the hall le lew ya parade here. But can we slow down and have a debate.

First off, $69 for a 40 minute DVD, is ridiculous. Lets begin there. Debate that one first. Show me any other pool DVD selling for that. :D

Or at least that's my story and I'm stickin to it. Wadda do I no? All I know, is I no nuttin. I am not the brightest candle in this church. But you have already figured that one out by now. nuk nuk nuk.
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Shawn,
You insinuated that aiming systems are a dime a dozen and you included Gene's Perfect Aiming System in it. That is bashing his product and you haven't even seen it.

You insinuated that if it was known it would already be in print.

I have already received private PM's that some people from AZ WHO ARE NOT "STAGED PRAISE" as you suggest, have already received the product and haven't even called Gene and they are excited about the product and see almost instant results.

The world is full of spoilers. While you may not need the Perfect Aim system, others may benefit from it greatly and if a man makes a dollar in the process, what right is it for you to say that the price is too high. Others have said that the price is fair for what they received and they are just noobs with the DVD or lessons.

Going to pool tournaments, especially one which you've never been to before and getting a pool lesson, learning something that you never knew before is kind of like a wrapped Christmas present and while I haven't spent the dough for the DVD, I wouldn't want to insinuate that Gene's product is just the same old, same old without having even seen it.

When AZBers who I know have made comments about Perfect Aim and said they think it is properly valued, I take notice.

I have paid $100 for more pool lessons than I care to mention. In almost every case, I learned more than a hundred dollars worth, even though some barely made the grade. I don't want to count the $100 sets that I only learned who and how I shouldn't play so and so.

Don't get me wrong. My only hesitation in buying the DVD is that it may be something that I already am doing and that would be embarassing to pay for something I already do. So you see, you can be reluctant to purchase because YOU feel the price is too high for you but to insinuate that if it were the real deal, it would already be in print.

I can assure you that there are MANY, MANY things out there that aren't in print that would help your game and mine. Knocking them before you have a chance to try them isn't fair to the creator or yourself, imo.

JoeyA
 
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