Perfect Aim

So did you buy the DVD, and if so is it great? or are you just guessing. Plus BTW I did talk personally to a Phoenix Student who took a lesson, and bought the DVD that after 20 minute on the telephone said "he saw shots differently". Guess I was not impressed.


Here is a LINK to a BCA Instructor on U-tube. He even teaches his Aiming System.
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IF YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ, I SAID I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DVD AND I'M NOT GUESSING ABOUT ANYTHING DOUCH BAG.

IF YOU WEREN'T IMPRESSED, THEN WHY ALL THE NEGATIVE CRAP ABOUT GENE'S PRODUCT? I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THIS THREAD THAT DISLIKES YOUR IGNORANT, STUPID, WITHOUT MERIT COMMENTS.

KEEP WRITING REPLYS AND FLAMES, YOU JUST CONFIRM YOUR IGNORANT, DUMB THINKING, PLUS IT'S VERY AMUSING FOR THE REST OF US.

OH, SINCE THE ONLY THING YOU KNOW ABOUT GENE'S DVD IS WHAT A PERSON TOLD YOU, AND YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES, HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO YOU ACTUALLY HAVING AN EDUCATED OPINION TO OFFER THIS FORUM ABOUT HIS DVD???? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT!!!!
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Go read post # 14 I was wrong GENO was like 60 days plus behind the pool101.
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Man, your queerness knows no bounds. I guess everyone should trip over each other to support your little project? The fact Gene wanted to donate ANYTHING at all to your cause should have you humbled and honored. Instead, you throw it in his face like you did above and rub his nose it in for not being first in line. How long have you been volunteering for the Boys and Girls Club? WHY THE HELL WEREN'T YOU DOING IT SOONER?

The best thing you can do is just apologize to Gene for your condescending BS and ask him nicely for his donation to the Boys and Girls Club. Your queerness is working against them, not for them. I hope you can grow up a little and take the higher road.

Someone who has the rank of a 5 on a scale to 10 (well, 12 if you consider 10-2) better be watching every video that comes out, imo. You're not even QUALIFIED to knock it.
 
Dave, I agree with everyone that you say but I'm going to go out on a limb here.. I'm pretty sure CocoPuffs will never see it any other way.. He appears to be a complete moron and proud of it..

I cannot believe someone can bee-yotch and moan about someone that offers to give a donation because they were not FIRST.. He is so full of pi$$ and vinegar I'd bet he is a real treat to be around..

Looks like any sort of criticism thrown in his direction only fuels his fire of ignorance & stupidity. He is officially on my forever ignored list and I'd bet he's pretty popular on that list for many posters on AZ..

Have a happy turkey day my friend, Joe
 
This is crazy!

I have not seen the video, but my interest is piqued.

I do think $80 is pricey for a dvd.

But, I know enough to know I do NOT know enough to make ANY kind of judgement on the value of information that I do not currently have or undestand!

A statement that is used often and applies here is : YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW!

How can ANYONE make a judgement about something they admit that they have no knowledge about?

I have taken lessons from a few respected instructors. Some were better than others, and some cost more than others. I have not felt that any of that time or money was not well spent.

I will say that IF the dvd makes good on its claim it is worth it.


I remember a conversation with my non pool playing brother about the cost of a lesson I was taking. He thought the price was a bit high. I explained to him that I have spent much more on a cue that DOES NOT make me any better of a player, so why not invest some $$ into something that may actually improve my game?

To the guys who are knocking the dvd:

If improving your game is NOT worth some $$ then keep that $$ in your pocket and stay at the same level. I am willing to bet you carry more than $80 worth of equipment with you to play. That means you spent more than $80 on things that absolutely will NOT make you a better player. You spent your hard earned money on a cue, case, etc that are CERTAIN to NOT improve your level of play at all! Why would you not spend some money on something that MAY improve your actual play and enjoyment of this game?

If you have been playing for more than 5 years and are not a champion, than I am willing to bet you do not have enough natural ability alone to get there, That means that, like the rest of us, you will need some more help to improve.

I am more than willing to admit this and take some responsiblity to improve my own game. Are you?

This has already helped many players, why criticize it without trying it out? If you had seed this dvd, and stated your opinion, it would be one thing. What you are doing is quite another.


Jw
 
Okay; I did buy the dvd. I even expressed skepticism to Gene before I bought it but I bought it. I have spent a consideral sum of money, as many of you have on lessons etc. Another 80 bucks didn't amount to much.

My opinion? I think Gene is a prefectly honest and sincere person. I doubt that he is getting rich from this dvd or his teaching.

Mark Twain said something like "It's not the things you don't know that hurt you so much as the things you know that aren't so". I think Gene knows some things that aren't so. I am confused by his manner of explanation. The first few steps sound to me as though he is saying, on a thin cut to the left you line up with your right eye, to the right you line up with your left eye.

Part of the confusion arises from the fact that Gene is right handed but left eye dominant. This adds some murkiness to his explanations.

I am right handed and strongly right eye dominant. I tried lining up cuts to the right with my left eye with poor results.

When Gene gets into the geometry, using two cues lying on the table and measuring the gap between them he loses me completely. I cannot imagine what application this has in practice. This is what I mean when I say Gene knows some things that aren't so. I think these things are subjective to Gene but he believes them to be actual knowlege.

Tell you what I'll do. If any instructor or any well qualified person will promise to write a critique of this dvd and post it here, if that person will pm me his/her mailing address I will send them the dvd, free, gratis. You can keep is or send it back when you are through, or send it to Cocobola.

Dave Nelson
 
I have seen the video many times. I am a big supporter of it. To read my reviews of it, go to Gene's big thread and search for my username. I think I have about 10 posts in it.

I am not a better player. But I have a hurt back and only play a couple times a month or so now, I can't stay in stroke. If it wasn't for that, I am confident I would be able to reach A level status in a year, after being stuck on C+ to B- for the past 10 years.

To me the information was a revelation. I went from knowing I was going to miss a long shot, to BETTING people 100 that I will make it, and opening my mouth to offer the bet WHILE I'm down on the shot. How strong is that?

I also think we are putting too much emphasis on chicken and egg type stuff. Meaning that you have to "master" things in a certain order before going onto the next:
1. Stance
2. Stroke
3. Center ball
4. Position
5. English
6. Kicking
7. Strategy

etc.

Any of us who have played many years know our game is constantly evolving. You learn something new and it might force you to revisit the rest of your game. You might completely change your style for the better, after learning just one new thing. I know I have reinvented my gave several times over the past 10 years.

Gene's video is mostly about head positioning. Try this: Get down on a shot as you normally would. Remember the picture your eyes see. Then move your head to the left and to the right. The picture will be much different. How do you know which picture is correct? How do you know if you should use the same head position on all shots? This is the type of stuff no one knew before. You have so many conflicting ideas on this: cue under dominate eye, cue under chin, cue somewhere else. Gene's video covers this very clearly, and gives firm guidance on where to have your head, and how to get it there. The other advices on this topic over the years has been few and far between, and also non-standard among the people who give the advice. Its mostly been "whatever works best for your eyes". Gene's stuff tells you exactly where to put your eyes for each type of shot.

Truly new information on the pool scene, and well worth 80 if you are a student of the game. AND of course you have to PRACTICE the information!

BTW, I have only seen the original version. I've been too lazy to mail it back to Gene for the updated version (free to people who bought the first version).

Unfortunately for me, I've actually lost about 2k since I've had this information. The reason is I was so excited about my improved shotmaking, and went out and gambled when my back was bad and I was way out of stroke. Even though I lost money doing it, I knew I was making shots during those sets that I would have never made before. And I KNEW they were going to go it. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind. that's the danger with learning something that helps you. You want to go out and take on the world (at least I do, being a gambler). My body just can't handle that now. This information gave me a new passion for the game, that I had lost over the past 5 years of no real improvement.

I also had my friend by the dvd. It did not do the same for him, but I really believe he just didn't grasp the information as well as I had. I see him missing shots by a diamond when he is a solid B player. I am confident its his eyes. So the success on this won't be 100% of course. But it is never 100%. I think the risk is well worth the $80. Because if you were like me and it does help you, you just won't believe it. No bull.
 
Hi Dave. I don't know if you have the original version or the new one. I have the original version. I also had trouble understanding it at first. What I did is make notes on the video. I watched the video several times, and wrote a summary just for me. I wrote what times (minutes and seconds) each topic was discussed. Then I wrote the head position for each of those sections.

So in the beginning when I would be confused, I'd consult my notes and go right to the exact time in the video to watch it again. It did take a few tries, but I got it.

From what you wrote, you actually have it backwards, or you are not writing accurately what you are doing. I'd suggest keep watching the video, and even call Gene. The good part about taking the notes, is the meat of the video is only a 3 or 4 minutes long. So its not like you have to watch 60 minute of video every time you get confused and need a refresher.

Good luck.
 
What system would someone be using to aim if they weren't shooting and were instead, adjusting someone who had a bag over their head who was shooting for them?
 
SUPERSTAR said:
What system would someone be using to aim if they weren't shooting and were instead, adjusting someone who had a bag over their head who was shooting for them?
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AH, thats the old Bag "Over the Head" system, I think it was first introduced in one of Oyster's videos :indecisive:
 
i guess my problem with the dvd is this,

He's vague in describing whats on the DVD.
(for $80 i want to know exactly whats on the DVD)

i dont want to read some cut and paste roger ebert comments like:

"best pool vid ever"
"very valuble make you shoot like god shot making info revealed for the first time ever in this video"

not saying this stuff was said word for word but things are said in this style.

stuff like that makes me skeptical, especially when hes not telling people exactly and i mean exactly whats on the video when it cost $80...if this video just covers getting your eyes into position, then i dont need it, it would not benifit me.....and im being completely honest Here.

i was BSing slightly in my other posts hoping you all would beable to sift throu what i was really getting at.

for 20 or 40 dollars i wouldnt mind buying a dvd and then finding out its not going to help me.....
But for $80 i got a problem....i want to know whats on the disc before i buy it. thats just the way i am, i'm a blue blooded Belgian and im tighter than a jew with my coin.

i would be mad if i didnt know anything about the video.....and read some of the comments on his sight because i stumbled on it, and
not knowing what was on the video, bought the video for $80 to find out the whole thing is about Head position, and seeing the shot a certain way.

But even then the video could still help, too me most pool videos help people play better because they make them want to play the game after you watch them.....and not just play but play with intention, focus, you key into what exactly your doing more...basically they can respark the fire that you should be putting into your practice session.

and practicing with intentions are what makes a shooter get better. it doesnt really matter what the content of the vid is.

Oh and
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone
 
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I understand what you are saying RD3P, but I can also understand Gene not being able to post exactly what is on the DVD. I would imagine if he did, people wouldnt need to buy the dvd.

Im sure in time it will be like everything else, the price will start to drop and more and more information will be "leaked" so to speak. In fact Gene has said he feels teachers will start using his method. I know at least one that probably will.

I know a lot of people are hung up on an $80 dvd that is not very long, hell $80 is a lot of money to most of us. But to me it doesnt matter how long it is, its what information is contained.

I can buy several videos for less than $40, and I have. But is 20 to 40 a value if it doesnt give me anything that I didnt already know? Most of the things I have read and watched over the last several years has been with the goal to learn ONE new thing, as most material is based on the same knowledge. Often I do learn that one new thing, sometimes I dont. I wont mind spending $80 for material that I know I havent seen before.
 
woody_968 said:
I understand what you are saying RD3P, but I can also understand Gene not being able to post exactly what is on the DVD. I would imagine if he did, people wouldnt need to buy the dvd.

Im sure in time it will be like everything else, the price will start to drop and more and more information will be "leaked" so to speak. In fact Gene has said he feels teachers will start using his method. I know at least one that probably will.
I know a lot of people are hung up on an $80 dvd that is not very long, hell $80 is a lot of money to most of us. But to me it doesnt matter how long it is, its what information is contained.

I can buy several videos for less than $40, and I have. But is 20 to 40 a value if it doesnt give me anything that I didnt already know? Most of the things I have read and watched over the last several years has been with the goal to learn ONE new thing, as most material is based on the same knowledge. Often I do learn that one new thing, sometimes I dont. I wont mind spending $80 for material that I know I havent seen before.
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I know six instructors who have been teaching similar for several years....randyg
 
80 - 90 degree cuts

If you aren't really good at making 80-90 degree cuts, Gene's video will show you precisely how to make these shots. It is how I make difficult cut shots and how I think most pro players make extreme cut shots.

That is just one of the items that is in Gene's video that is PERFECT.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
If you aren't really good at making 80-90 degree cuts, Gene's video will show you precisely how to make these shots. It is how I make difficult cut shots and how I think most pro players make extreme cut shots.

That is just one of the items that is in Gene's video that is PERFECT.
JoeyA
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whats that??? lining your eyes up with the edge of the cueball to the edge of the ball your cutting....instead of lining up over the center of the cue like you should on a fuller shot.
 
JoeyA said:
If you aren't really good at making 80-90 degree cuts, Gene's video will show you precisely how to make these shots. It is how I make difficult cut shots and how I think most pro players make extreme cut shots.

That is just one of the items that is in Gene's video that is PERFECT.
JoeyA
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I can do 90 DEGREE Cuts already.:wink:
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
I can do 90 DEGREE Cuts already.:wink:
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Next time I see you... you have action on this. I don't think you can. I'll give you a chance to break me in front of a crowd. We can start out at $20 / shot until you start to loosen up and stroke them in sweet... then we can do $50/$100 a shot.

Happy Thanksgiving, btw.
 
randyg said:
I know six instructors who have been teaching similar for several years....randyg
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Thats strange, I have had lessons from several of people that are considered top instructors and have not heard anything similar ever explained.
 
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