Perfect pool tournament story

[peteypooldude]

stuckart...Just curious, but what if the shooter has no dominant eye? Geno will state that that's impossible, but science backs up the fact that up to 20% of the population has no dominant eye.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

That is nitpicking. For real. A statistic. Do you verify all your teachings with science? Or are you taking a cheap shot ?

 

[genomachino]

Thanks Pete.....

For the record. Geno has helped many players with no cost at all.
He done a review just everybody else. His information is absolutely
valuable . Never heard anyone speak of it except Gene.
Stop trying to bash a man who dedicates himself to helping others.,
If it did not help you then so be it. That does not give you right to down play and harass the man. Would a refund make you happy? Because I will
donate if that's what your after

I really believe that Shank thinks that this is some scam and he decided a long time ago to expose and won't change his mind once it is set.

He won't even listen when I tried to help him a while back.

He asked me the question a long time ago , is the stick in between the eyes and I answer yes because it is for everyone. He won't even try to understand because he thinks he is so sure he is right and doesn't know he is 100% wrong.

I know he will really hate to see this but what it is, is what it is.

He should look up Jerry Stuckert, one of the most respected people we have in this pool world down there in Phoenix and take him up on his offer to help him try to understand this. Jerry is one of those guys that just wants to help players play this game better and have more fun. And he's a nice guy.

Thanks again Pete but I don't think that would make a bit of difference.

Have a great day. geno..............

 

[shankster8]

For the record. Geno has helped many players with no cost at all.
He done a review just everybody else. His information is absolutely
valuable . Never heard anyone speak of it except Gene.
Stop trying to bash a man who dedicates himself to helping others.,
If it did not help you then so be it. That does not give you right to down play and harass the man. Would a refund make you happy? Because I will
donate if that's what your after

Peetey, nice to see you jumping in again. I am just speaking the truth, why does that bother you? This is a pool forum where we try to exchange accurate information. If you, or Geno, or me, or anyone else willfully posts misleading information, hopefully someone will point that out. That is how we learn.

And that is what I'm doing. Petey, if I center the cue between my eyes, are my eyes then within 1/8 inch of that "perfect spot" Geno keeps referring to. I've many times asked you and the other diciples to answer this question, because Geno kept dodging it.

Peetey, your Guru recently, in this thread, said the answer is "No". I believe he is not being truthful. Is that your answer too? I suggest you read post 24, above, before answering.

I am looking forward to your timely answer. Thanks Petey

 

[shankster8]

I really believe that Shank thinks that this is some scam and he decided a long time ago to expose and won't change his mind once it is set.

He won't even listen when I tried to help him a while back.

He asked me the question a long time ago , is the stick in between the eyes and I answer yes because it is for everyone. He won't even try to understand because he thinks he is so sure he is right and doesn't know he is 100% wrong.

I know he will really hate to see this but what it is, is what it is.

He should look up Jerry Stuckert, one of the most respected people we have in this pool world down there in Phoenix and take him up on his offer to help him try to understand this. Jerry is one of those guys that just wants to help players play this game better and have more fun. And he's a nice guy.

Thanks again Pete but I don't think that would make a bit of difference.

Have a great day. geno..............

Geno, read Post 24, above, and tell everyone where I am in error. TIA

 

[peteypooldude]

Peetey, nice to see you jumping in again. I am just speaking the truth, why does that bother you? This is a pool forum where we try to exchange accurate information. If you, or Geno, or me, or anyone else willfully posts misleading information, hopefully someone will point that out. That is how we learn.

And that is what I'm doing. Petey, if I center the cue between my eyes, are my eyes then within 1/8 inch of that "perfect spot" Geno keeps referring to. I've many times asked you and the other diciples to answer this question, because Geno kept dodging it.

Peetey, your Guru recently, in this thread, said the answer is "No". I believe he is not being truthful. Is that your answer too? I suggest you read post 24, above, before answering.

I am looking forward to your timely answer. Thanks Petey

I hope this is timely enough. It is according to the player

 

[cookie man]

Mojoe, thanks for your input; I can tell that you mean well. You are wrong about the answer being "No", however. And for your information, Geno knows the answer is "Yes", but is purposely misleading you and others by answering "No".

I don't question that he has helped you and others, but that does not change the fact he is teaching nothing more than fractional ball aiming with the cue centered beneath the eyes. That is nothing new. He just presents that old information in such a convoluted manner that most people remain confused by what he is saying. As a result, he can continue giving lessons - and I guess he plans to put out another DVD (hillarious IMO).

Mojoe, how do you think I know that Geno is lying when he answers the question "No"? The reason is that I did call him about a year ago. He initially probed me about my level of play. Once he ascertained that I was a "fair" shooter, and that I centered the cue between my eyes, he stated that I shouldn't have to move move my eyes more than 1/8 inch from the center position. I promptly told him that that was exactly what I had repeatedly been saying on AZB. He fell silent, and did not respond to that. Our conversation was generally uninformative. He did say apologetically at one point that "Perfect Aim" was meant for lower level players than me - players who didn't know one end of the cue from the other - or words very similar to that - like players who hardly knew which end of the stick to use (I do not remember his exact words, but they were very similar to what I've said.).

I respected that candor, mentally wrote off the money I spent on his DVD as a bad investmen, and decided to let the matter lie.

Subsequently, however, he posted how glad he was to have been able to help me, and other such hogwash. That he coopted my name as a reference rekindled my angst. I was tired of his spam, frustrated by his avoidance of answering my question, and unhappy about his misleading of others.

I posted the above information long ago, but Geno simply denied it. That frustrated me, but I really didn't know how to compete with outright lying -especially since Geno's huggers repeatedly jumped in and together with Geno, Geno), burried my posts. I'm sure there are many AZBr's who remember that era.

Mojoe, please understand that I am trying to share good information here, and am not attacking you. I feel that you are sincere about improving your game - the same as most of us, but I need to point out how shallow and distracting our words can be sometime, despite the fact we mean well. You said "I understand that you think the answer is "yes" to your question but actually it is not.. We have many different pupillary distances so there is no cookie cutter answer."

Honestly, I don't have a clue what you're saying here (and I suggest you don't try to explain it), but it distracts people from the points I'm trying to make. Please read the information I presented above, again, and also read my reply to Stuckart in post 24 (which unequivocably proves that the answer is "yes"). I believe you will then better understand your mentor, Geno.

That Geno is now brazen enough to openly lie in answer to my question tells me he must be confident he and his huggers can again bury my posts. IMO, he's overconfident this time, though, but I can see his work - he's got hugger JoeyA implying I didn't pay for the DVD - an obvious effort to derail the focus on himself and "Perfect Aim". I guess I'll ask hugger JoeyA to produce his evidence, and move that issue toward resolution.

This sounds nothing like Gene. His teachings help everyone of all skill levels. I've met Gene in person a couple of times and he is a well respected player and teacher of perfect aim.

 

[Scott Lee]

peteypooldude...Yes, I can back up all my teaching with scientific evidence...not speculation.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

That is nitpicking. For real. A statistic. Do you verify all your teachings with science? Or are you taking a cheap shot ?

 

[peteypooldude]

peteypooldude...Yes, I can back up all my teaching with scientific evidence...not speculation.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What Aiming methods do you teach? I have got some questions for you to scientifically prove

 

[Scott Lee]

peteypooldude...I know where you're going with this, and I'm not gonna bite. I teach 7 different aiming methods...I use mostly CTE myself. Any of those methods will work pretty well, with an accurate and repeatable stroke process. Without that, none of them will be very consistent pocketing balls.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What Aiming methods do you teach? I have got some questions for you to scientifically prove

 

[peteypooldude]

peteypooldude...I know where you're going with this, and I'm not gonna bite. I teach 7 different aiming methods...I use mostly CTE myself. Any of those methods will work pretty well, with an accurate and repeatable stroke process. Without that, none of them will be very consistent pocketing balls.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Fair Enuff, Lets not say it ALL can b scientifically proven

 

[stuckart]

stuckart...Just curious, but what if the shooter has no dominant eye? Geno will state that that's impossible, but science backs up the fact that up to 20% of the population has no dominant eye.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Having no dominant eye doesn't mean that you can't learn from Perfect Aim. In that case when the player gets down a routine shot the Right Eye might take dominance over a certain shot. And if you line up the mirror version of the same shot the other eye might dominate. (ie. 60 degree cue to the left vs 60 degree cut to the right).

I think people that have one very distinct dominant eye on every shot have a much easier time understanding Perfect Aim. The ones that have trouble understanding are either trying too hard to prove some other point or they have a weak dominant eye and therefore have a harder time figuring out how to get aligned correctly from one shot to another.

I'm right eye dominant, but I do have some shots that I'm able to shift to have my left eye take over and that allows me to have the same accuracy on shots I'm cutting to the left as I do to the right.

 

[Scott Lee]

Jerry...Thanks for your explaination. I would agree with what you stated.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Having no dominant eye doesn't mean that you can't learn from Perfect Aim. In that case when the player gets down a routine shot the Right Eye might take dominance over a certain shot. And if you lines up the mirror version of the same shot the other eye might dominate. (ie. 60 degree cue to the left vs 60 degree cut to the right).

I think people that have one very distinct dominant eye on every shot have a much easier time understanding Perfect Aim. The ones that have trouble understanding are either trying too hard to prove some other point or they have a weak dominant eye and therefore have a harder time figuring out how to get aligned correctly from one shot to another.

I'm right eye dominant, but I do have some shots that I'm able to shift to have my left eye take over and that allows me to have the same accuracy on shots I'm cutting to the left as I do to the right.

 

[peteypooldude]

peteypooldude...Yes, I can back up all my teaching with scientific evidence...not speculation.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I was going to let this go but I cant . You jumped on here to discredit Geno
and when asked to prove your own aiming method scientifically you turned
tail and run. You were wrong and it was a cheap shot. Hypercritical
describes it best .Just to set the record straight

 

[Scott Lee]

peteypooldude...Well to be totally accurate, NOTHING can be proven (including Perfect Aim). However, there are several schools of thought, backed up by some scientific research, that some ways are easier than others, to accomplish a goal. For example, taking professional lessons to lessen the learning curve vs. years of trial and error. Both will work...which one is easier? That's subjective to the individual...though many choose to take the quicker path. That said, there is no magic bullit...which we all can agree on! :grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Fair Enuff, Lets not say it ALL can b scientifically proven

 

[MOJOE]

I've worked with a few different instructors, Scott and Gene being a couple of them. I've learned something from each of them and all have helped me further my game.

I may be mistaken but I have don't recall Gene bashing or discrediting what others are teaching. What he is teaching, often for free, is very helpful to many from the posts that I have read. Gene has never asked me for a dime for walking me through some of my misunderstandings on the phone. I did purchase the video on my own will. I honestly got more from our phone conversation but that's fine. The $80 has earned me that multiple times over.

What I don't understand is why folks can't just let him do his thing. Not one person is forced to use his aiming methods, buy his DVD nor are they forced to read threads pertaining to Perfect Aim..

I've spent a lot more money and learned a lot less from some other instructor. That is not a dig on Scott, I felt my time and money with him was well spent by the way.

As far as scientifically proven, who cares? It works for me and has helped my game..

I'd thank Scott Lee, Stan Shuffett, Joe Villalpando and Geno for they have all helped further my game in different ways.. I hate to see the bickering but have yet to see Geno retaliate against anyone that has attacked or villified him. I certainly cannot say that about many others on the forum.. If I am wrong, no need to point it out folks, I'm just saying if you ain't interested in buying, that's fine.

By the way Shankster, I am far from a "fair shooter".. I've worked hard on my game for many years and continue to for my love of the game. Not patting myself on the back but I'd consider my game to be quite advanced, but always willing to improve and learn. I hope I take this train of thought to my grave.

Also, I'm far from a @@@Hugger as Shankster tends to call supporters of Geno. I am thankful for he time and his help. Our conversations have been several, and at no time did we ever have a similar conversation that he and Shankster supposedly had.

No disrespect or malice towards Shankster, we are all entitled to our opinions.

Peace, JoeyK

 

[Underclocked]

Gene, your story was great but left me curious. Did "Doc" split the calcutta money with you? :grin:

 

[btoneill]

Why must people turn this thread into an arguement about aiming/science/etc?

It's a cool story about someone playing people he taught in a tournament. Take out all the use of "Perfect Aim" and it's still just as decent of a story about a teacher seeing his students succeeding.

I have no dog in this race. I've met Gene briefly once and watched him play for a little bit. Never seen his video, never been taught by him. I'm also a very skeptical person when it comes to things like "Perfect Aim"/CTE/etc/etc/etc, but I also don't discredit them as I honestly don't know enough about them to do so.

So, how about we go back to "Hey Gene, that is soo cool that you got to play your students like that!"

Brian

 

[MN Kid]

Why must people turn this thread into an arguement about aiming/science/etc?

It's a cool story about someone playing people he taught in a tournament. Take out all the use of "Perfect Aim" and it's still just as decent of a story about a teacher seeing his students succeeding.

I have no dog in this race. I've met Gene briefly once and watched him play for a little bit. Never seen his video, never been taught by him. I'm also a very skeptical person when it comes to things like "Perfect Aim"/CTE/etc/etc/etc, but I also don't discredit them as I honestly don't know enough about them to do so.

So, how about we go back to "Hey Gene, that is soo cool that you got to play your students like that!"

Brian

Tap, tap, tap

 

[dynamicmad]

I feel this is whats wrong with the pool world. Everybody complains when someone tries to do good. I think its great that someone can make money from something they teach and make a video out of it. I have met Geno many times and he has never pushed his lessons on me but offered to help me out when I did ask him about it. Didnt have enough money at that time and he said pay me latter. WOW now who would do that if it was some BS hed never get his money. What he is saying about the tournament is correct I was there. As I have met him and many of the players before. I travel alot over the midwest for work. Now when it comes to teaching and learning not everyone learns the same and not all methods work for everyone. Now im not just talking pool but for any sport or even something like sales. I may have to teach 3 people 3 different ways to achive the same goal. Do you blame the guy for repping his aiming system I dont I would do the same thing if I had something great. Geno I wish you the best of luck in all your travels dont let any one get you down I think your great for the game. Just so everyone knows I never have taken a lesson from geno that was paid or for free nor seen his video. Just have been able to see some of the people who have and shoot very well and say his lessons helped.

 

[genomachino]

Yes, we split the calcutta money but not the tourny money.

Gene, your story was great but left me curious. Did "Doc" split the calcutta money with you? :grin:

Ya, I told Doc that I'm not splitting any money from the prize money with anyone ever because they never paid for the hours I practiced and paid table time to get ready for each and every tournament.

The calcutta is gambling and that's fine. Sometimes when I go for too much I hate to buy myself.

We didn't even get 3 to 1 on the money we spent in the calcutta because I went for too much in relation to how much was in the calcutta.

Not complaining but that's the way it is.

Bottom line though it was just a fun deal to see these young students of mine tear up the field like that and almost tear my up to.

And I was totally caught off guard when I saw dave Wiebelhaus was the winner of the hot seat. I was so involved with trying to get there that I never looked at the chart. They just kept telling me your on this table or that table after each match.

That's why it was such a shock. but after I thought a few seconds I know this is happening all over the world with Perfect Aim students at all levels. I have 100's of PMs and emails telling the stories. I just have not had the opportunity to experience such a dramatic improvement in too young players plus fight for my pool life to beat them.

What a wonderful reward for a teacher.

It just happened again at shooters handicap tourny in Burnsville. @ more student knocked me out in 2 straight matches.

They are going to have to bump up their handicaps. Terry and molly are playing awful good. It's ok for me but it's just kind of not fair to the other players in this handicap tourny.

Maybe the others should learn Perfect aim...............I think that would solve the problem.:grin: