Oh stop, or you'll be called a hugger too....
Thanks for the post. Just reinforces what I've thought all along about Geno, never having met the man. Hopefully someday!
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Oh stop, or you'll be called a hugger too....
Thanks for the post. Just reinforces what I've thought all along about Geno, never having met the man. Hopefully someday!
Oh stop, or you'll be called a hugger too....
Thanks for the post. Just reinforces what I've thought all along about Geno, never having met the man. Hopefully someday!
You'll just have to travel to the "Great White Tundra" and visit us all out here in fly-over land (aka Minneapolis)...
From everything I've read here about the tourneys out there, it'd be a blast. Of course I'd just be donating, but I'd have fun nonetheless.
Some day... travelling around to play pool would be so cool.
A question of right and wrong, not whether someone is a nice guy or not
Actually Joey, concerning the first part I bolded in your post above, Geno got in trouble precisely because he was bashing -- in the "Ask the Instructor" forum, no less -- other instructors. I won't go into details, because it doesn't help to bring back the past, but let's just say that Geno wasn't the most "team-oriented fellow" of the instructor bunch. And that's putting it lightly!
Also, here are some more things that I think are the root cause for what attracts negative attention to Geno:
Hopefully this sheds a little light on the matter,
-Sean
P.S.: I said it before, and I'll say it again as part of this postscript: I'm sure Geno is a nice guy, and one that anyone would love to share a brew with. But again, that's not the issue here. The basic issue of right and wrong is.
Actually Joey, concerning the first part I bolded in your post above, Geno got in trouble precisely because he was bashing -- in the "Ask the Instructor" forum, no less -- other instructors. I won't go into details, because it doesn't help to bring back the past, but let's just say that Geno wasn't the most "team-oriented fellow" of the instructor bunch. And that's putting it lightly!
Also, here are some more things that I think are the root cause for what attracts negative attention to Geno:
- His notion that what he teaches is so unique, and so earth-shattering, and so "nobody ever thought of this before," that he actually (and often) likens himself to Christopher Columbus. Yep, Christopher Columbus -- that wasn't a typo or exaggeration. I'll quote three links to previous posts from him where he actually compares himself to Christopher Columbus, both directly and indirectly:
The lead-in (or, the "set up"):
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=2021608&post2021608
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=2141302&post2141302
And then the kicker:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=2425264#post2425264
- His refusal to admit that what he teaches is NOT NEW and NOT UNIQUE, nor will he give credit or attribution (or even acknowledge the existence of) a previous work that covered the same topic. We won't even mention the fact that head/eye placement over the cue is a fundamental principle in the exacting-precision cueing sport of snooker, and has been so for decades. (It's taught in Day 1 when you engage in snooker instruction.) Let's not go there, and instead just focus on pool itself. Many years ago, the very topic of head/eye placement over the cue in pool, and what we see / are supposed to see, was documented by Richard Kranicki in his great work, Answers to a Pool Player's Prayers. You won't see any acknowledgments, shout-outs, kudos, nor any bibliographical mention of Richard Kranicki's work in Geno's Perfect Aim, because as demonstrated by Geno here on these boards, "Perfect Aim is such a 100% unique product that noone ever thought of it before," except, of course, by Geno himself. By virtue of the continued disconnection from, and refusal to acknowledge Richard Kranicki's work, by way of deduction, it can be said that if it were up to Geno, Richard Kranicki's work should fade into obscurity, and Geno's "Perfect Aim" should completely take its place as being the original, authoritative, and de-facto work on head/eye placement. The consumers of his product may or may not mind or care. But others in the industry -- instructors, publishers, authors, et al. (basically anyone with a writing/publishing/copyright background) certainly DO. It's called plagiarism, and is actually against the law. So it's not cool to "let him do his thing" (the second part I bolded in your post above) especially when it comes down to the most basic principle of "right" and "wrong."
- Geno-marketing-machino -- ie. the continued stream of marketing disguised as "stories." I'm sure you noticed in these stories that every time Geno uses the word "perfect," it's ALWAYS spelled with a capital "P" (i.e. "Perfect"), even when the word occurs in the middle of a sentence, or otherwise in a situation where capitalization of the letter "p" is inappropriate. This is by design -- it's a marketing technique. The problem is that this technique is only supposed to be used with registered trademarks, which "perfect aim" is not.
- Geno's nice and helpful nature to his students and/or the public which supplies him with students (which includes those who got a "freebie lesson") is no excuse, nor a let-off, for plagiarism, dissing/admonishing other instructors or techniques, or comparing himself with persona that've established or changed the course of history. In fact, it BEHOOVES Geno to be nice and present himself in the most helpful manner to his prospects, because that's what customer service is all about. That's how you build a pipeline of business. There's the old adage, "you buy from the person first, the product second, and the company third." It's as true today as it was back then. But again, it's not an excuse or a hallway pass.
Hopefully this sheds a little light on the matter,
-Sean
P.S.: I said it before, and I'll say it again as part of this postscript: I'm sure Geno is a nice guy, and one that anyone would love to share a brew with. But again, that's not the issue here. The basic issue of right and wrong is.
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Hi there Shank,
Please be sure before you say something that you remember what you heard right. This statement is so rediculous I almost can't believe that you believe it or that I actually said something that would lead you to believe that this is what I said.
He did say apologetically at one point that "Perfect Aim" was meant for lower level players than me - players who didn't know one end of the cue from the other - or words very similar to that - like players who hardly knew which end of the stick to use (I do not remember his exact words, but they were very similar to what I've said.).
Perfect Aim has helped everyone that has grasped the knowledge and understands it at every level. I understand it does and so do all the other huggers, as you stated, that have learned this.
For crying out loud, open your eyes and read and see all the players that this has helped and are shooting better than ever.
Do you think these players are just all stupid.
Please don't say I said things I didn't. I can assure you that that statement could not be further from the truth.
Have a great day geno.............
PS Joey had no idea that you bought the DVD. You see it kind of hurts when people accuse you or make false claims that you know are not true.
Okay, Geno, that is your version. It is not the truth IMO, but I can't change that.
If you really wish to demonstrate that I am wrong, I'll make it very easy: Simply explain where I have erred in post 24, regarding eye location. Specifically, I said: ". . . our eyespan is nearly equal to the cueball diameter. Stukart, go look into a mirror and measure the distance between your pupils (I call that "eyespan"). I just did, and my eyespan is 2 3/8 inches. Also realize that the cueball diameter is 2 1/4 inches.
Remember how Geno told you to aim? When you cut left, you sight along the left side of the cueball with the left eye and see it overlap the object ball the proper fractional amount. On right cuts, you sight along the right side of the cue ball with the right eye and see it overlap the object ball the proper fractional amount.
Now, if you put your cue to the center vertical axis of the cueball and center your eyes above it, your left eye is aligned with the left edge of the cueball and your right eye is aligned with the right side of the cueball (within 1/8 inch, probably within 1/16 inch). That is why the answer to my question is "yes" - if you simply center the cue between your eyes, your eyes are naturally aligned with the cueball edges. It is not rocket-science, is it? In fact, it is very simple. "
So Geno, here's your opportunity to resolve this matter. The question I've posed for over a year is: "If I center the cue beneath my eyes, are my eyes then within 1/8 inch of that "perfect spot" you refer to?" In post 21, above, you finally answered that question as follows: "The answer is a flat NO !" I say you are being insincere, and that the answer is "Yes", for the reasons expressed in the three paragraphs above this - show me where I am in error therein.
This asks for a substantive answer - not one that again avoids the issue by alluding to my need to be right blah, blah, blah. The ball is in your court, Geno, and all you have to do is debunk the content of three short paragraphs. This is the second time I've asked this.
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The thread in the ask the instructor section was frustration over the bashing that I had taken for months about what I teach.
I think all the instructor are trying to help players and they are. They are all people persons and enjoy helping. That's why they teach.
I just couldn't understand why some of them would try to keep players from even looking at something that they know nothing about.
I still stand by my statement that nobody teaches Perfect aim. I'm talking about the meat of it. Sure, there are bits and pieces of other things in my lesson that other teachers teach but the meat of Perfect Aim stands by itself.
I hope I can run into you someday and really help you understand the whole thing.
The players that have learned this know the value and there is no way that anyone can change their minds. They know what it has done for their games.
And many of them, if someone wanted to go back through the old thread, were pretty negative about what I taught until they really understood it.
Poor Shankster doesn't understand it and I feel helpless to help him. He wants to tell me how it is when his questions has nothing to do with it at all.
Someday we will meet and I would like to work with you. After we get done I'm sure you'ld understand. You sound like a pretty sharp guy.
And it sounds like you play pretty good also. We might even be able to hit some balls around together.
Until then I'll keep on teaching and helping players everywhere.
Have a great day geno.........
The thread in the ask the instructor section was frustration over the bashing that I had taken for months about what I teach.
I think all the instructor are trying to help players and they are. They are all people persons and enjoy helping. That's why they teach.
I just couldn't understand why some of them would try to keep players from even looking at something that they know nothing about.
I still stand by my statement that nobody teaches Perfect aim. I'm talking about the meat of it. Sure, there are bits and pieces of other things in my lesson that other teachers teach but the meat of Perfect Aim stands by itself.
I hope I can run into you someday and really help you understand the whole thing.
The players that have learned this know the value and there is no way that anyone can change their minds. They know what it has done for their games.
And many of them, if someone wanted to go back through the old thread, were pretty negative about what I taught until they really understood it.
Poor Shankster doesn't understand it and I feel helpless to help him. He wants to tell me how it is when his questions has nothing to do with it at all.
Someday we will meet and I would like to work with you. After we get done I'm sure you'ld understand. You sound like a pretty sharp guy.
And it sounds like you play pretty good also. We might even be able to hit some balls around together.
Until then I'll keep on teaching and helping players everywhere.
Have a great day geno.........
Hey guys this is David (played Geno in tournament story). I don't post often but, I wanted to chime in and support Geno. He showed me a few things that have helped me out a lot with my eyes. Now I'm more aware of the problem when I can't see the ball correctly. He's always been kind and helpful when I ask questions. It's tough not to learn something from a champ like Gene.
You continue to miss -- or worse, ignore -- the point
Geno:
For the love of Christmas, let's get some things straight:
1. Your nice guy routine is not going to work with me. Offering to give me lessons and to play is not going to cause me to back off the issue of the rights and wrongs of how you're doing your business. I *know* you're a nice guy -- that's not the issue here! It doesn't give you a free pass.
2. Do you always think that if someone disagrees with the way you're conducting your business, that it's merely because "they haven't been given a lesson but once they are exposed to your material, that they'll all of a sudden 'see the light' and 'see the brilliance' and therefore give you a free pass henceforth"? Are you really that full of yourself?
3. You seem -- no, I'll commit -- you *do* dance around the topic of how you're doing your business. I.e. the "capital P in the word 'perfect'" thing -- never touched upon by you. Conveniently skipped. The fact that you continue to make believe Richard Kranicki's work, which paved the way for yours, doesn't exist? Conveniently skipped by you. You continue to frame and sell us how "oh-my-god-this-has-never-been-thought-of-before-and-is-so-unique-and-so-game-changing."
Look, Geno, the *content* of your material is not what is at issue here. The folks giving you negative attention do not have an issue, nor are they "non-believers" in, the importance of head/eye placement over the cue. No, the way you're doing business *IS*.
Continuing to compare yourself with historical figures the likes of Christopher Columbus, completely dissing those that offered the content of your material before you (i.e. your predecessors) by ignoring their very existence (if even the material is a variation); dissing those that call you out on your sly and questionable business tactics (i.e. those very instructors who you claim you lashed out at because "they picked on you"); and last but not least, using this forum as your cherry-picking field, without compensation to the forum itself (i.e. purchasing a banner) *IS* what is attracting the ire. It is not, and I repeat not, the content of your material. It is NOT that we're "non-believers" in your "game revolutionizing" material. Please stop flattering yourself.
Giving free lessons to those giving you negative attention [to your business practices] is not going to "convince" them that the value of your material "overrides" the basic issue of right and wrong. It is not a free pass.
It's one thing to believe that you have a product of value. It is quite another to frame it and sell it as a "holy grail." Geno, it is NOT. Important, perhaps. (In fact, other cueing sports like snooker teach it as "Day 1" house-foundation, and have for decades.) But "holy grail" -- or even "those that've purchased it are in a completely different secret society than the rest of the world"? Heck NO!
When are you going to "get" this?
-Sean
Geno:
For the love of Christmas, let's get some things straight:
1. Your nice guy routine is not going to work with me. Offering to give me lessons and to play is not going to cause me to back off the issue of the rights and wrongs of how you're doing your business. I *know* you're a nice guy -- that's not the issue here! It doesn't give you a free pass.
2. Do you always think that if someone disagrees with the way you're conducting your business, that it's merely because "they haven't been given a lesson but once they are exposed to your material, that they'll all of a sudden 'see the light' and 'see the brilliance' and therefore give you a free pass henceforth"? Are you really that full of yourself?
3. You seem -- no, I'll commit -- you *do* dance around the topic of how you're doing your business. I.e. the "capital P in the word 'perfect'" thing -- never touched upon by you. Conveniently skipped. The fact that you continue to make believe Richard Kranicki's work, which paved the way for yours, doesn't exist? Conveniently skipped by you. You continue to frame and sell us how "oh-my-god-this-has-never-been-thought-of-before-and-is-so-unique-and-so-game-changing."
Look, Geno, the *content* of your material is not what is at issue here. The folks giving you negative attention do not have an issue, nor are they "non-believers" in, the importance of head/eye placement over the cue. No, the way you're doing business *IS*.
Continuing to compare yourself with historical figures the likes of Christopher Columbus, completely dissing those that offered the content of your material before you (i.e. your predecessors) by ignoring their very existence (if even the material is a variation); dissing those that call you out on your sly and questionable business tactics (i.e. those very instructors who you claim you lashed out at because "they picked on you"); and last but not least, using this forum as your cherry-picking field, without compensation to the forum itself (i.e. purchasing a banner) *IS* what is attracting the ire. It is not, and I repeat not, the content of your material. It is NOT that we're "non-believers" in your "game revolutionizing" material. Please stop flattering yourself.
Giving free lessons to those giving you negative attention [to your business practices] is not going to "convince" them that the value of your material "overrides" the basic issue of right and wrong. It is not a free pass.
It's one thing to believe that you have a product of value. It is quite another to frame it and sell it as a "holy grail." Geno, it is NOT. Important, perhaps. (In fact, other cueing sports like snooker teach it as "Day 1" house-foundation, and have for decades.) But "holy grail" -- or even "those that've purchased it are in a completely different secret society than the rest of the world"? Heck NO!
When are you going to "get" this?
-Sean
Slow down guys...........
I think this guy is going to have a nervous breakdown. Please stop telling everyone that I might have helped you with your aiming or your pool game.
I'm just a simple guy that learned a simple way to aim very easily and beat alot of players and won alot of tournaments. I have never ran into anyone that actually understood the meat of what I teach.
After my stroke in Jan of 2009 I decided to dedicate the rest of my life to showing this to the world and teach as many players as possible how to improve their game with this technique I call Perfect Aim.
I'm also diabetic and am just thankful that I can get up everyday and do something I really enjoy. My days are numbered on this earth but I feel what I do is important because of the amazing results players are having that really learn what I teach.
Sorry if I offend some people for wanting to tell as many players as possible. Just trying to help.
Got to go. I need to help some players today.
This really did start out as a good story though.
Have a great weekend everyone. Go packers. I mean go Packers. I hope you have a Perfect game..........................
I think this guy is going to have a nervous breakdown. Please stop telling everyone that I might have helped you with your aiming or your pool game.
I'm just a simple guy that learned a simple way to aim very easily and beat alot of players and won alot of tournaments. I have never ran into anyone that actually understood the meat of what I teach.
After my stroke in Jan of 2009 I decided to dedicate the rest of my life to showing this to the world and teach as many players as possible how to improve their game with this technique I call Perfect Aim.
I'm also diabetic and am just thankful that I can get up everyday and do something I really enjoy. My days are numbered on this earth but I feel what I do is important because of the amazing results players are having that really learn what I teach.
Sorry if I offend some people for wanting to tell as many players as possible. Just trying to help.
Got to go. I need to help some players today.
This really did start out as a good story though.
Have a great weekend everyone. Go packers. I mean go Packers. I hope you have a Perfect game..........................
Geno, this is rediculous. Don't feel sorry for me because poor shankster doesn't understand Perfect Aim I said long ago I believe I understand it as well as you. The fact is, perfect aim is simple to comprehend if one doesn't attempt to learn it from you. Perfect aim is simply fractional ball aiming with the cue centered beneath the eyes. You were successful in not publicly admitting that for a year, but I believe most objective readers are now seeing through your insincere words. I believe you will be dethroned by the end of this post.
First let me say that I've got no problem with the method you call perfect aim. It just bugs me that you continue to imply it's something different than it is. The fact is, I center the cue beneath my eyes. I don't fractional ball aim like your DVD teaches; I just see the shot rather than a ball fraction - I don't know how else to explain it. I'll be the first to admit, though, that I believe consistent, proper eye position is critical to consistent shot making.
Now let me prove again that perfect aim is fractional ball aiming with the cue centered beneath the eyes. First, let's recall that your DVD repeatedly emphasizes that there is a single, perfect eye location, which is the same for all of us, where we see the shot accurately. That's what Kranicki says - actually he says there are two eye positions where we can see the shot accurately. One is with the cue centered beneath the eyes (like your DVD teaches), and the other is with the cue beneath an eye. All intermediate eye positions require compensation in the aim, such as not sighting thru the center of the tip. I've got no problem with this aspect of perfect aim, either. I realize that most other instructors disagree with you here, however. Randy etal, for example, espouse the concept of a vision center, unique to an individual, which can be located anywhere - and which is that eye position from which an individual can accurately perceive a straight line projecting from the cue (my words). I am uncertain about the vision center concept. The point of this paragraph is to affirm that you teach that there is a single perfect location for all of us.
Next, your DVD informs us that our eyes take turns being dominant. When we cut left our left eye is dominant and we want it located such that it sights along the left edge of the cueball and sees that cueball edge fractionally overlapping the object ball. Similarly, for right cuts, the right eye is dominant and sights along the right edge of the cueball and sees the proper object ball overlap for the shot. Later in the DVD you re-emphasize this using your Walmart laser device. You place it on the table and project a laser line along the left edge of the cueball onto the object ball and show us what our left eye will see for 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4 ball overlaps. Then you do the same thing at the other end of the table showing us what the right eye will see when it sights along the right edge of the cueball for the same fractional ball overlaps.
I've got no problem with this part of your teaching, either, though I think alot of us cannot bend low enough to project the cue ball edge onto the object ball. I also think you use the word "dominant" in an unusual fashion here, but you get the point across.
The above, I believe, is a fair synopsis of the aiming system presented in your DVD. I've avoided your instructions about how we should get our left eye in position to sight along the left edge of the cueball and, similarly, your instructions regarding the right eye, because I believe that is what confuses people.
Now that we agree on the mechanics of perfect aim, and understand that it is a fractional ball aiming system, let me prove that it is also a cue centered system.
We all have about the same eyespan, and it is nearly equal to the cue ball diameter, which is 2 1/4 inch. I use the word eyespan in reference to the distance between our pupils, or the little holes we see through. My eyespan is 2 3/8 inches. I measured a number of people's eyespans previously, and discovered they generally range from 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 inches. Certainly there are some very narrow and some very wide faces that are exceptions to this, but 2 3/8 is probably close to average.
I invite everyone reading this including you, Geno, to stand in front of a mirror and hold a cue ball between your eyes. You will discover that your eyes are very nearly aligned with the cueball edges. Now remember, that Geno's aiming system requires us to sight along the left edge of the cue ball with the left eye for left cuts, and along the right side of the cue ball with the right eye for right cuts. Voila! If we simply center the cueball between our eyes, each eye is naturally aligned with a cue ball edge (within 1/8 inch if your eyespan is 2 1/2 inch). This is irrefutable,
This means that if we center the cue ball beneath our eyes our eyes are in that "perfect" spot Geno preaches about, within 1/8 inch. (Centering the cueball beneath our eyes is the same as saying center the cue beneath our eyes since this aiming systems contemplates center ball hits,) Geno, I have asked you to affirm that probably 20 times, over the past year, in this forum, and you have repeatedly avoided the question - till two days ago Two days ago you answered ("Geno, if I center the cue beneath my eyes, are they then within 1/8 inch of that perfect spot you continually refer to?) with "The answer is a flat NO!" which everyone now realizes is erroneous. You knew that, Geno, but apparently thought you could get away with one more misrepresentation. It is clear to me you didn't want everyone to figure this out, and lied. Truly, it would be very difficult to sell DVD's for $70 if people understood you're only teaching fractional ball aiming with the cue centered.
Now that you've finally exposed yourself, I feel a little sorry for you. I believe there is a lot of good in you, and you just got carried away as a result of the easy riches that came to you by accident. I truly I believe your DVD was so bad that nobody could even understand it; but, because you were a notoriously good shooter everyone kept digging for the magic they believed must be hidden in there somewhere - and you played it like a pro. Easily $200,000, I figure.
I think you really ought to get a membership with AZB, and, no, you really don't need to find a backer to play Bartrum for $5,000 - what a joke.
One final comment for everyone still confused by perfect aim. I suggest you ignore what Geno says about eye dominance and about moving your head inches left or right till you "lose the shot", then moving it back till it looks right (my words). If you simply drop onto the shot with the cue centered beneath your eyes, your eyes will be within 1/8 inch of that perfect spot Geno preaches about. Understand that the cue ball is about 25 to 30 inches from your eyes (depending on your arm and bridge lengths). When your eyes are that far from the cue ball, how much difference in your sight picture do you think a 1/16 or 1/8 inch head movement is going to make? Not much!. Hell, some of us shake that much. Geno often alludes to head movements in the order of an inch. Look at the explanation he gave to Mojoe in this thread - it is unnecessarily confusing (intentionally?). If Geno really wanted to help Mojoe all he had to say was to look down at the cue and verify that your eyes are centered above it.
It takes practice to consistently drop into a cue-centered eye position. Kranicki suggests placing a mirror on the table and looking back at yourself to ascertain your eye position relative to the cue.
Finally, I'm not angry with Geno for making money - it's how he went about it.
Sorry Shank but your not even warm..........
If I fly down there to Phoenix to show how this really works will you promise not to try to explain it on the internet. Right now your not even warm and Jerry Stuckert tried to tell you this in an earlier thread a while back.
You'ld have to pick me up and I'd buy lunch. Then after we get done you would have to take me back to the airport. I know your really sincere about what you think you have exposed but it's a little more complicated than that I assure you.
And the other part. You should try making some money in this pool business. You would get a rude wakening. Others are trying and I know they understand first hand. it's tough to just stay even.
And if you find out that you didn't really understand Perfect Aim you would need to tell our fellow AZers.
Plus it would be kind of fun.
Anyway let me know. Have a great Superbowl. Go Greenbay.
If I fly down there to Phoenix to show how this really works will you promise not to try to explain it on the internet. Right now your not even warm and Jerry Stuckert tried to tell you this in an earlier thread a while back.
You'ld have to pick me up and I'd buy lunch. Then after we get done you would have to take me back to the airport. I know your really sincere about what you think you have exposed but it's a little more complicated than that I assure you.
And the other part. You should try making some money in this pool business. You would get a rude wakening. Others are trying and I know they understand first hand. it's tough to just stay even.
And if you find out that you didn't really understand Perfect Aim you would need to tell our fellow AZers.
Plus it would be kind of fun.
Anyway let me know. Have a great Superbowl. Go Greenbay.
You cant do no more then what you just offered,fly to the mans home,to help him understant what you are teaching,that shows what kind of man you are right there,standing up tall and proud of your product.i really hope you guys do meet up and everything goes just right for both of you guys.
Geno, you are truly amazing. I believe what I said above is ironclad proof that perfect aim is simply fractional ball aiming with an eye-centered cue. You, nor any of your diciples have ever even made an effort to show where I am in error (for over a year), and that includes your posts of the past two days when all eyes are on you. My posts have only elicited comments like poor shankster you don't understand, or you're a hater (thanks Petey for your serious discussion of the issues), or other misleading or irrelevant words.
Geno, if you really believe that personally showing me perfect aim is going to turn my lights on, and you are willing to do that at your own expense, I will be happy to meet with you - I am not one to kick a man when he is down. My name is Hank, and I live in Apple Valley, California, not Phoenix. Phoenix is about nine hours from me. If you fly into the Ontario, California airport, that is an hour and one half away. Vegas is three and one half hours from me. I will be happy to meet with you but I don't wish to drive 18 hours to and from Phoenix.
Regarding your request that, after we meet, I not try to explain it on the internet: I agree to that. I feel free to discuss your DVD's because their content seems borrowed from Kranicki or, otherwise, common knowledge. If I purchased content which was uniquely yours, I would respect your rights to it.
Regarding your request that if I find out that I didn't really understand Perfect Aim, I would tell our fellow AZers: I would be overjoyed to do that but, seriously, I believe that could only come about if you present material apart from the content of your two DVD's. I will try to keep an open mind, though; I was once very excited about ordering your DVD.
I don't think you are remotely comprehending what Gene is trying to tell you...You keep wanting for him to expain it in writing on here & He is telling you he can show you better than tell you...How is that avoiding the question ? Even if he said...Hey you right I think you still wouldn't see the forest through the tree's & still would argue.
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Houma, I look forward to meeting with Gene. I probably used too many words to say that. I believe he would not go to that trouble if he was not certain of the outcome, so I will keep an open mind. Thanks for your input.
I just try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt till they prove otherwise...I've never seen his tape so I don't know 1st hand but it seems like he's not trying to shy away from the question...I know he's quick to throw in a plug here & there but he does seem passionate about what he does & if it helps even half the people that use it then i would say it's a good thing.