Phenolic Poolball Sets Converted To Ring Billets !

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Pics. Of Phenolic Poolballs Converted To Ring Billets !

After posting this response in Mason's phenolic thread regarding the infamous JoeyinCali's typical retort... I felt I should start a thread about this interesting application and see if any of you fellow cuesmiths/cuemakers have done this before and if so what other clever "stock" have you came up with ???

Alot of know that most pool balls are phenolic, but you can also cut and machine down used sets and have all the colors of the rainbow to make ring billets with, as I have done and you can get white phenolic ferrules from the cueball too !!!

For example: 6-ball is large rings and 14-ball is small rings.

You are only as limited as your resourcefulness !!!

I would love to hear about your opinions on this as well as see pics of your interesting concepts and resourcefulness too !


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat "wannabe cuemaker"


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I bought a strange set of pool balls at the BCA expo when it was in Houston (moved because of Katrina). The company was , I think, from Australia. Palko was the company's name.

The set has 29 regular size balls and a diamond shape rack that holds 16 balls. The colors (they are all solid color w/ no numbers) are :

(5) yellow
(5) blue
(5) red
(4) green
(3) orange
(2) pink
(2) brown
(2) black
(1) white

there was instructions for playing a strange variety of games, too.

my intention was and still is to cut and machine them down for rings and ferrules. I just haven't gotten around to doing anything with them yet.

...........d
 
After posting this response in Mason's phenolic thread regarding the infamous JoeyinCali's typical retort... I felt I should start a thread about this interesting application and see if any of you fellow cuesmiths/cuemakers have done this before and if so what other clever "stock" have you came up with ???
Well after reading this slander on me, I felt I should response to your typical holier than thou post.
Pool balls used a ferrules and joints have been done since the age of ivory balls.
Cueballs as ferrules is a nice novelty . I had Judd make me one, one time.
Soon I found out they scratch easily and make funny sound. And they break easily that thin. Balls don't break b/c the compress upon impact.

Cueballs as ferrules and collars are not a wise choice imo. Why bother?
They have no binder like linen or paper or canvas phenolics.
Balls are also MOLDED.
The phenolics we use for collars are ROLLED. Resin mix applied to sheets of linen or canvas and then wound. Much more durable, virtually indestructible for pool cue use unless really abused.
But, if you wanna cut up cueballs as ferrules then super glue them to your shaft, all the best to you.
If like sixball C rings in the A-joint area where there is a ton of stress, all the best to you.
For white collars I like seasoned threaded stags. Taught to me by Kerry Zeiler who was inspired by Bill Hagan.
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Professor Eddie Wheat

JoeyInCali said:
After posting this response in Mason's phenolic thread regarding the infamous JoeyinCali's typical retort...

Well after reading this slander on me, I felt I should response to your typical holier than thou post.
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Joey-go a little easy on Professor Wheat. Its hard to not sound holier than thou when you are making "unique contributions to cuemaking" and a future legend.

His phenolic idea could well go the way of the those Minnesota Fats/Wal Mart wraps he was touting a couple of weeks ago.

Did you know that is Eddie is a PHD!
 
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WheatCues said:
After posting this response in Mason's phenolic thread regarding the infamous JoeyinCali's typical retort... I felt I should start a thread about this interesting application and see if any of you fellow cuesmiths/cuemakers have done this before and if so what other clever "stock" have you came up with ???

Alot of know that most pool balls are phenolic, but you can also cut and machine down used sets and have all the colors of the rainbow to make ring billets with, as I have done and you can get white phenolic ferrules from the cueball too !!!

For example: 6-ball is large rings and 14-ball is small rings.

You are only as limited as your resourcefulness !!!

I would love to hear about your opinions on this as well as see pics of your interesting concepts and resourcefulness too !


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat "wannabe cuemaker"


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I have made things from pool balls but although they are phenolic it is a resin and power mix and any edges can crumble and chip pretty easy. It is not like a resin and cloth mix.
 
I have to reply here to reassure one of my customers who told me about this thread. He was worried that the cueball ferrule on his 8 yr old jump/break cue was not up to the task.

FWIW, I've offered cueball and/or colored ball ferrules, shaft & joint collars for 15 yrs. NEVER has one broken. NEVER has an edge crumbled. Rarely have I seen one with scratches. I submit that the high grade phenolic used in balls is more resistant to scratches than 95% of the ferrule materials in use. Linen or paper binders do nothing to inhibit scratching - quite the opposite, in fact. And I suspect the phenolic resin used in rolled tubing is not the same high quality as that used for balls. The whites will yellow with age & the colors will darken in time but they have been bulletproof. If yours (Joey) is making a funny sound, I would suspect an installation problem. Your reference to a thin ferrule leads me to believe yours was a sleeve configuration. Mine are all capped & installed on a full-threaded tenon (live tooling vs. compression die) in 5/16-18 with a 1/8" long x .320 diameter register diameter at the shoulder.

Don't write off a ferrule made from a cueball. It will squirt more than the lighter reinforced phenolics but it will remain chalk-free with a beautiful shine.

I realize that Eddie can be as abrasive as Ivorine4 but please let's not allow a personality conflict to inject more misleading information into this forum. Lord knows there's enough already.
 
JoeyInCali said:
After posting this response in Mason's phenolic thread regarding the infamous JoeyinCali's typical retort... I felt I should start a thread about this interesting application and see if any of you fellow cuesmiths/cuemakers have done this before and if so what other clever "stock" have you came up with ???
Well after reading this slander on me, I felt I should response to your typical holier than thou post.
Pool balls used a ferrules and joints have been done since the age of ivory balls.
Cueballs as ferrules is a nice novelty . I had Judd make me one, one time.
Soon I found out they scratch easily and make funny sound. And they break easily that thin. Balls don't break b/c the compress upon impact.

Cueballs as ferrules and collars are not a wise choice imo. Why bother?
They have no binder like linen or paper or canvas phenolics.
Balls are also MOLDED.
The phenolics we use for collars are ROLLED. Resin mix applied to sheets of linen or canvas and then wound. Much more durable, virtually indestructible for pool cue use unless really abused.
But, if you wanna cut up cueballs as ferrules then super glue them to your shaft, all the best to you.
If like sixball C rings in the A-joint area where there is a ton of stress, all the best to you.
For white collars I like seasoned threaded stags. Taught to me by Kerry Zeiler who was inspired by Bill Hagan.
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Thanks for sharing !!!

You make some really good points of interest...

I personally have had ZERO problem with any of the converted phenolics chip or break in any of the applications I have used them on which includes ferrules and decorative rings... as you can see in the photo. my slots are't too deep and I have the O.D. down to a finishable size....



Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
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Here's a pic of a phenolic poolball 8-slot ring installed !

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Just thought I 'd share this with all of you, so you could see the finished result !

Oh by the way... I didn't have the clearcoat on yet when I shot the photo on the top left....


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
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i haven't tried it before,but i would think that the good balls are stronger than the phenolic we use,like DZ said.


you have to think,how long wouls a cueball made of LBM last on a pool table.i would assume not near as long as a regular cue ball.they take tones of abuse.
 
i have seen joint protectors made of old pool balls i cant remeber who told that they sold tons of them ....lee
 
Murray Tucker said:
I don't care who you are. Thats funny right there.
Lord I apologise and bless the pygmies............
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Troublemaker!!! :D Bad Murray!
 
Is the typical billiard ball, like the 6 ball for instance...green all the way through...or just on the surface? If you cut one in half is it the same color all the way through?
 
just made a ferrule out of the 2 ball....the ball i used was blue all the way thru. the white part where the number is at, only went a little bit into the ball...picture the first slice on the side of a tomato.
 
Interesting. Would it be possible to make a ferule, joint, butt...etc with the number still entact on the surface? That'd be REALLY interesting. I don't know if the curved surface of the ball would enable that...but I'm curious nonetheless.
 
Retail1LO said:
Is the typical billiard ball, like the 6 ball for instance...green all the way through...or just on the surface? If you cut one in half is it the same color all the way through?
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The "6" ball is green all the way through... so this will be large enough for the buttplate area....

The 14" is as well and so is the white... this would be used for upper joint material..etc..

scroll down and view the raw materials on my post and you will see exactly what I'm talking about ! 14 ball -billet is on the right and the 6 ball billet is on the left !!!


- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
The "6" ball is green all the way through... so this will be large enough for the buttplate area....

The 14" is as well and so is the white... this would be used for upper joint material..etc..

scroll down and view the raw materials on my post and you will see exactly what I'm talking about ! 14 ball -billet is on the right and the 6 ball billet is on the left !!!


- Eddie Wheat
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Wow, wow, wow !!!
 
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