i have read on here about a drill that some posters are referring to as "Piling Rocks" and was just curious what it is, what its used for, what are the benefits of this drill, etc, etc?
DCP
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Piling Rocks
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Pile Rocks
Get a big bucket, and go collect a bunch of rocks. When you get home put them in a pile.
You have just piled rocks!
It helps to build strength in your arms, and also when you are piling them it helps your mental focus.
Good luck with piling rocks, I hope that none of the rocks give you a bad roll and fall out of your pile!
Get a big bucket, and go collect a bunch of rocks. When you get home put them in a pile.
You have just piled rocks!
It helps to build strength in your arms, and also when you are piling them it helps your mental focus.
Good luck with piling rocks, I hope that none of the rocks give you a bad roll and fall out of your pile!
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Piling Rocks...
I seem to remember this drill as shooting all 15 balls from behind the foot line to the same spot behind the headline. It didn't matter where the spot was, the object was to consistently shoot the balls into that area without touching the other balls that arrived there previously.
Another good drill.
DCP, I've got a copy of Joe Tucker's Garanteed Improvement Drill Book is you're interested.
Barbara
I seem to remember this drill as shooting all 15 balls from behind the foot line to the same spot behind the headline. It didn't matter where the spot was, the object was to consistently shoot the balls into that area without touching the other balls that arrived there previously.
Another good drill.
DCP, I've got a copy of Joe Tucker's Garanteed Improvement Drill Book is you're interested.
Barbara
The Woim
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I have an idea!
DCP,
Ping pong is a great game! Why don't you give that a try because, well, to quote Bert Gordon "Pool's not your game."
Imagine the scene... DCP just had a bunch of bad rolls at the pool table and he sits at the bar. Behind him is Bert Gordon. DCP orders his favorite. "Give me a tall glass of milk with a straw."
"Make that two, I'm buying." says Bert Gordon with a smile.
"I thought you only drank toilet water?" says a mean spirited and thoroughly dejected DCP.
"Only when I'm suffering. Besides, drinking water keeps my mind clear. How did you do at the pool table?"
"I'm the greatest," says DCP "except for those damn rolls."
"Pools not your game." says Bert.
"Yeah, what is?" asks a defeated DCP.
"Ping pong."
"You trying to be cute?" demands DCP.
"There isn't a better ping pong player alive then what I saw from you a few nights ago at Loser's. Ping pong is your game."
So, DCP, I'll bet there are some ping pong forums out there. Take up that game. It's played on a table also.
Yours Very Truly,
The Woim
DCP,
Ping pong is a great game! Why don't you give that a try because, well, to quote Bert Gordon "Pool's not your game."
Imagine the scene... DCP just had a bunch of bad rolls at the pool table and he sits at the bar. Behind him is Bert Gordon. DCP orders his favorite. "Give me a tall glass of milk with a straw."
"Make that two, I'm buying." says Bert Gordon with a smile.
"I thought you only drank toilet water?" says a mean spirited and thoroughly dejected DCP.
"Only when I'm suffering. Besides, drinking water keeps my mind clear. How did you do at the pool table?"
"I'm the greatest," says DCP "except for those damn rolls."
"Pools not your game." says Bert.
"Yeah, what is?" asks a defeated DCP.
"Ping pong."
"You trying to be cute?" demands DCP.
"There isn't a better ping pong player alive then what I saw from you a few nights ago at Loser's. Ping pong is your game."
So, DCP, I'll bet there are some ping pong forums out there. Take up that game. It's played on a table also.
Yours Very Truly,
The Woim
Put 10 balls out on the table along with the cue ball. Start shooting. Every time you miss a shot, pick up that ball and set it aside. Do that 10 times, keeping track of how many you missed (or made) each time. At the end of the session you will have had 100 opportunities to make a shot, and you will also have your percentage made. Track your progress over time to see your improvement, or lack there of.
Steve
Steve
Piling rocks is mentioned by the monk on one of his videos as just putting all 15 balls on the table in ramdom order. Take cue ball in hand and try to run all 15 without a miss. Some people suggest using only 10 balls. You are practicing moving the cue ball for position. It is suggested by some that you shoot the balls in sections such as half the table at a time. I use it as a warm up drill.
It is from the Monk. He uses it as an analogy to Bhuddist monks in a monastery being told to pile rocks on one side of the road, then the other. Once the pile is finished on one side, they start piling them on the other, supposedly to gain insight into their higher selves. What he means relative to pool is to shoot thousands of shots, over and over and over again. I haven't read Tim's stuff for years, but I was once a Bhuddist and remember this analogy.
DCP:
This is probably another drill that won't help you a bit. From the sound of your frustration, to me, it sounds like your stroke is incapable of delivering the results you're seeking.
From the bottom of my heart, here's your solution:
Find a copy of Bert Kinister's 60-Minute Workout... his very first tape. Don't watch anything beyond "SHOT #1."
Shot #1 (the replacement shot) is the ONLY drill you need to practice. Forget any other drill on planet earth... they won't help you. If you can't successfully execute this shot with a high %, you can't move on with your education.
I remember years ago I moved to Idaho (which was a total mistake, pool-wise) so I had a lot of time to shoot and practice in my home. I believe I shot "SHOT #1" literally 10,000x and probably a TON more than that.
Some people hate Bert, some people swear by him... I believe I'm in the middle. What I can say is that shot changed my life when I was pulling my hair out like you. The thing is... I had the drive and passion to shoot that shot until my arm fell off. Do you???
If you can't execute that shot properly, forget about progressing in this game.
EDIT: Do you have the 3rd Eye Trainer? If you do, use it with that drill. If I had that back in the day, I probably wouldn't have needed to shoot it for months straight!
This is probably another drill that won't help you a bit. From the sound of your frustration, to me, it sounds like your stroke is incapable of delivering the results you're seeking.
From the bottom of my heart, here's your solution:
Find a copy of Bert Kinister's 60-Minute Workout... his very first tape. Don't watch anything beyond "SHOT #1."
Shot #1 (the replacement shot) is the ONLY drill you need to practice. Forget any other drill on planet earth... they won't help you. If you can't successfully execute this shot with a high %, you can't move on with your education.
I remember years ago I moved to Idaho (which was a total mistake, pool-wise) so I had a lot of time to shoot and practice in my home. I believe I shot "SHOT #1" literally 10,000x and probably a TON more than that.
Some people hate Bert, some people swear by him... I believe I'm in the middle. What I can say is that shot changed my life when I was pulling my hair out like you. The thing is... I had the drive and passion to shoot that shot until my arm fell off. Do you???
If you can't execute that shot properly, forget about progressing in this game.
EDIT: Do you have the 3rd Eye Trainer? If you do, use it with that drill. If I had that back in the day, I probably wouldn't have needed to shoot it for months straight!
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shot #1
I'm a big fan of Bert Kinister, for what it's worth. I say this from a standpoint of only owning
about 20 or so of his videos, and mostly the older ones.
OK, as far as shot #1, I agree that it is extremely useful. But, remember he is shooting this
shot on a 7-foot table and using Simonis cloth (maybe 760). When I tried to get the cue ball
to slide all the way up to the object ball on a 9-foot table with poorer quality cloth, before just
starting to roll, I found it impossible.
I remember speaking to Bert about this, and he suggested hitting the cue ball a little lower.
So, I'm not sure the shot is possible, if you hit the cue ball in the "exact" center. And of course
since I'm hitting it below center, it is not sliding all the way to the object ball. In this case the
backspin is wearing off just before it hits the object ball.
I just thought I'd mention this, and perhaps it warrants its own thread.
EDIT: Is anyone here able to hit the cue ball almost the entire length of the table
with no rolling/spinning at all? (I used a non-solid-white practice ball so I could tell.)
I'm a big fan of Bert Kinister, for what it's worth. I say this from a standpoint of only owning
about 20 or so of his videos, and mostly the older ones.
OK, as far as shot #1, I agree that it is extremely useful. But, remember he is shooting this
shot on a 7-foot table and using Simonis cloth (maybe 760). When I tried to get the cue ball
to slide all the way up to the object ball on a 9-foot table with poorer quality cloth, before just
starting to roll, I found it impossible.
I remember speaking to Bert about this, and he suggested hitting the cue ball a little lower.
So, I'm not sure the shot is possible, if you hit the cue ball in the "exact" center. And of course
since I'm hitting it below center, it is not sliding all the way to the object ball. In this case the
backspin is wearing off just before it hits the object ball.
I just thought I'd mention this, and perhaps it warrants its own thread.
EDIT: Is anyone here able to hit the cue ball almost the entire length of the table
with no rolling/spinning at all? (I used a non-solid-white practice ball so I could tell.)
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Neil said:
Actually, it's not only how low you contact the cue, but how much speed is used on the shot. Back spin is increased by increasing the distance you hit below center, or the speed of the stroke, or a combination of the two. You can hit way below center without the speed, and the distance the cue ball travels before is starts it's slide is reduced. It takes both speed and spin to move the "skid zone" further down the table.
Steve
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pooltchr said:
I only practiced it on a 9' table - you're correct. You have to hit that shot w/ conviction. Stopping the CB is a failure..and doesn't count, on any table. If you hit the CB w/ about 1/4 tip low to overcome the friction, you will replace the OB.
1/4" won't work on any table or for any speed. How low you hit must be adjusted for how hard you hit, how long the shot is and how fast the cloth is. They're all a matched set - if one changes one or all of the others must change in order to make the shot.SpiderWebComm said:
Patrick Johnson said:
I agree. I assume everyone is playing on 860 simonis w/ clean balls... normal humidity. Not looking to write a "shot#1 book" - I'm just pointing out it's probably the best thing to do for a stroke, on any table or any conditions.
My original point was if DCP couldn't do that shot, who cares about the other drills. Why teach him to play a symphony if he can't play a single note?
