Pivoting and CTE

Once again you misinterpreted my statement and asked me if I agreed with your rewrite. The answer is no I do not agree with your interpretation of my statement.


Your original accusations were (quote):

"No actually you didn't use my words. You didn't quote me and then ask if we agreed on what I said. You wrote your own interpretation (spin) of what I said..."

Now, I just "misinterpreted" your statement.

lol. You are a piece of work, John. And this is exactly why discussing anything with you is like wrestling with a pig (you get dirty and the pig still enjoys it.)

So -- who's "spinning it" now ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
CTE can be used on 100% of shots that go directly to a pocket without anything blocking the cue ball.

And when you make shots like THIS ONE in a ring game as I did last night night

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And subsequently run out where running out pays double, then everyone claps and hates you at the same time.

Thank you CTE.

John:

That is a V-E-R-Y sweet shot, and one of my favorite one pocket shots when my opponent leaves me uptable in the kitchen like this, thinking he's "safe." (Think of this shot from the opposite end of the table [i.e. the head end], without the balls in the middle of the table area as you show them.) Kudos to you on making this sweet game-winner shot.

This shot is not a "gimme" no matter what aiming system you use -- which includes pivot-aiming or ghostball. You pivot just a hair too much (or too little), or if you imagine the ghostball in slightly the wrong location, or if your stroke is just a wee bit off and you don't deliver the cue ball where you think you're aiming at, and you sell out. This is definitely a confidence shot -- make it, and you're out. Miss it, and your opponent is out.

Nice one!
-Sean
 
Your original accusations were (quote):

"No actually you didn't use my words. You didn't quote me and then ask if we agreed on what I said. You wrote your own interpretation (spin) of what I said..."

Now, I just "misinterpreted" your statement.

lol. You are a piece of work, John. And this is exactly why discussing anything with you is like wrestling with a pig (you get dirty and the pig still enjoys it.)

So -- who's "spinning it" now ;-)

Lou Figueroa

You are.

You quoted some parts of my post #25. Then you asked me if we agree and added on your interpretation and then said you were glad we cleared that up. As if that's it.

So if you consider quoting out of context, tacking on your own ideas and then making a statement of finality to be considered building consensus then I guess we have widely differing concepts of what being in "agreement" means.

As for the wrestling with a pig comment - it goes both ways Lou. You don't get to impose your concept of how to play pool onto me and you certainly can not get me to agree with you with your word games.

You play good and you have formed your ideas about how to play. Fine stick with it. But don't think that you have the right to tell other people what they can and cannot try. If you detailed your method of "just feeling it" then I would tell everyone to try it. Why not? If it works for them and they are making all the shots then the "just feel it" method is awesome. What pisses me off though is when you work SO HARD to discredit something that you have no interest in trying and frankly no need as you seem to be perfectly content at your level. I really don't understand why you can't just let it be and let other people try out the things that interest them without the critiques on their intelligence and gullibility.

That shit doesn't fly around me. And as long as you try it here you will have an opponent on the other side.

I personally don't care if CTE works or Perfect Aim or Joe Tucker's Aiming by the Numbers. I figure it will all come out in the wash. But when people like you are telling people like me that I am stupid and gullible for even TRYING these things then that is just pointless and mean spirited.

LET ME lose as much money as I want to betting on CTE. Let me take it to tournaments and go two and out. Just leave me and others alone unless you want to TRY IT and be part of the conversation on why it does or does not work from the standpoint of someone who has experience with it.
 
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John:

That is a V-E-R-Y sweet shot, and one of my favorite one pocket shots when my opponent leaves me uptable in the kitchen like this, thinking he's "safe." (Think of this shot from the opposite end of the table [i.e. the head end], without the balls in the middle of the table area as you show them.) Kudos to you on making this sweet game-winner shot.

This shot is not a "gimme" no matter what aiming system you use -- which includes pivot-aiming or ghostball. You pivot just a hair too much (or too little), or if you imagine the ghostball in slightly the wrong location, or if your stroke is just a wee bit off and you don't deliver the cue ball where you think you're aiming at, and you sell out. This is definitely a confidence shot -- make it, and you're out. Miss it, and your opponent is out.

Nice one!
-Sean

Thanks. These are the kind of shots that I am pulling off now using the CTE method of aiming. You're right though about it being a confidence shot. For me when trying to aim it without CTE my confidence is lower and my make percentage is a lot lower.

For me it's really about trusting the line. It's on shots like these where I am not sure about the line just by looking at it that CTE works best for me. Once I get that line given by CTE then I focus on my stroke and delivery.
 
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Does anyone know if there are any videos online that show you how to use CTE in detail? I came across one guy on Youtube talking about it, but he wasn't explaining how to do it.
 
CTE can be used on 100% of shots that go directly to a pocket without anything blocking the cue ball.

And when you make shots like THIS ONE in a ring game as I did last night night

CueTable Help



And subsequently run out where running out pays double, then everyone claps and hates you at the same time.

Thank you CTE.

Thanks. These are the kind of shots that I am pulling off now using the CTE method of aiming. You're right though about it being a confidence shot. For me when trying to aim it without CTE my confidence is lower and my make percentage is a lot lower.

For me it's really about trusting the line. It's on shots like these where I am not sure about the line just by looking at it that CTE works best for me. Once I get that line given by CTE then I focus on my stroke and delivery.

John,

You and Sean are both right about how this shot requires confidence and trusting the line.

One of the many things that CTE Pro One has taught me is to see shots differently. When using CTE and pivoting, often times it looks like on shots like the one you illustrated, that you are overcutting the ball when in fact you are cutting it perfectly.

This is where some of the euphoria of CTE aiming comes from. The ball often splits the pocket cleaner than at any other time and cleaner than using any other aiming system or lack of official system.

With this particular shot, using other types of aiming, you often "see" the shot differently and often cut the shot less than is needed.

This is one of the incredible things about aiming with CTE. Sometimes you see the shot so differently and when your aiming turns out spot on, you get excited about making a shot so cleanly, you can barely stand it.

I genuinely like the fact that learning CTE has allowed me to "see" some shots better. I guess in the past, I have had limited abilitity to see how cleanly some shots can be hit because of some inate visualization imperfection. I still don't split the pocket on every shot no matter what aiming system I am using or not but at least CTE has given me a different perspective to visualize shots.

In complete fairness, I can't say that this is always the case. Sometimes when I have used CTE aiming I miss simple, very simple shots and it perplexes me severely.


JoeyA
 
John,

You and Sean are both right about how this shot requires confidence and trusting the line.

One of the many things that CTE Pro One has taught me is to see shots differently. When using CTE and pivoting, often times it looks like on shots like the one you illustrated, that you are overcutting the ball when in fact you are cutting it perfectly.

This is where some of the euphoria of CTE aiming comes from. The ball often splits the pocket cleaner than at any other time and cleaner than using any other aiming system or lack of official system.

With this particular shot, using other types of aiming, you often "see" the shot differently and often cut the shot less than is needed.

This is one of the incredible things about aiming with CTE. Sometimes you see the shot so differently and when your aiming turns out spot on, you get excited about making a shot so cleanly, you can barely stand it.

I genuinely like the fact that learning CTE has allowed me to "see" some shots better. I guess in the past, I have had limited abilitity to see how cleanly some shots can be hit because of some inate visualization imperfection. I still don't split the pocket on every shot no matter what aiming system I am using or not but at least CTE has given me a different perspective to visualize shots.

In complete fairness, I can't say that this is always the case. Sometimes when I have used CTE aiming I miss simple, very simple shots and it perplexes me severely.


JoeyA


I could not have said this better.

Regarding missing shots here is what I found. I have a tendency to play quickly and get faster and faster towards the end of the rack. I have found that I will take the aiming for granted a lot of the time and not do the steps as precisely as I should. Then I miss.

I have found that when I take the time to set up properly the misses go down considerably. With CTE it does sort of give me a sense of invincibility that I have to temper and make sure that I am doing the steps right each time.

Another reason that I miss is a lack of trust and waffling between the aiming line CTE gives me and the line I "think" is right. Those are mostly middle of the table shots. When I settle down and trust the line then I make the shots.
 
John,

You and Sean are both right about how this shot requires confidence and trusting the line.

One of the many things that CTE Pro One has taught me is to see shots differently. When using CTE and pivoting, often times it looks like on shots like the one you illustrated, that you are overcutting the ball when in fact you are cutting it perfectly.

This is where some of the euphoria of CTE aiming comes from. The ball often splits the pocket cleaner than at any other time and cleaner than using any other aiming system or lack of official system.

With this particular shot, using other types of aiming, you often "see" the shot differently and often cut the shot less than is needed.

This is one of the incredible things about aiming with CTE. Sometimes you see the shot so differently and when your aiming turns out spot on, you get excited about making a shot so cleanly, you can barely stand it.

I genuinely like the fact that learning CTE has allowed me to "see" some shots better. I guess in the past, I have had limited abilitity to see how cleanly some shots can be hit because of some inate visualization imperfection. I still don't split the pocket on every shot no matter what aiming system I am using or not but at least CTE has given me a different perspective to visualize shots.

In complete fairness, I can't say that this is always the case. Sometimes when I have used CTE aiming I miss simple, very simple shots and it perplexes me severely.


JoeyA

Im not trying to be argumentative here but these type of shots require a little knowledge.
Know system is going to get you right where you need to be unless you
know what going to happen with the hit by the cueball.
What i mean is if you aim this shot and your going to use low english you will be able to hit the ball closer to the ghostball position.
If you hit the ball with a dead center hit on the cueball or with high english
at a fast speed you will have to hit it thinner.No system takes everything in to consideration .While pro 1 or cte might get you to the right line,one better take in to consideration of the hit by the cueball...
 
Im not trying to be argumentative here but these type of shots require a little knowledge.
Know system is going to get you right where you need to be unless you
know what going to happen with the hit by the cueball.
What i mean is if you aim this shot and your going to use low english you will be able to hit the ball closer to the ghostball position.
If you hit the ball with a dead center hit on the cueball or with high english
at a fast speed you will have to hit it thinner.No system takes everything in to consideration .While pro 1 or cte might get you to the right line,one better take in to consideration of the hit by the cueball...

There's no doubt that CTE or any other system or no system will allow you to make a ball without taking many things into consideration. Each person has idiosyncracies that are pertinent to that particular person and those things affect the way we see the shot, the way we feel the shot and the way we execute the shot.

JoeyA
 
Is that all you got?

Thanks, John. Glad we cleared that one up :-)

Lou Figueroa
See John spin
Spin John spin

That's your answer? What are you 6 years old now?

See Lou Stroke.
See Lou Choke.
See Lou Broke.

Don't be a "Louser" - learn to aim the right way. :-)
 
Im not trying to be argumentative here but these type of shots require a little knowledge.
Know system is going to get you right where you need to be unless you
know what going to happen with the hit by the cueball.
What i mean is if you aim this shot and your going to use low english you will be able to hit the ball closer to the ghostball position.
If you hit the ball with a dead center hit on the cueball or with high english
at a fast speed you will have to hit it thinner.No system takes everything in to consideration .While pro 1 or cte might get you to the right line,one better take in to consideration of the hit by the cueball...

Can you demonstrate this on video? I am willing to learn a new technique but honestly I have never adjusted the aim on the object ball based on the speed of the shot or the use of draw or follow. I mean I can kind of see where you are going with this - the idea being that the speed and whether you use draw or follow affects the amount of contact induced throw.....is this what you mean?

If so then I disagree when it comes to CTE. CTE puts me on the line and the shot works regardless of whether I hit it hard or soft.
 
Can you demonstrate this on video? I am willing to learn a new technique but honestly I have never adjusted the aim on the object ball based on the speed of the shot or the use of draw or follow. I mean I can kind of see where you are going with this - the idea being that the speed and whether you use draw or follow affects the amount of contact induced throw.....is this what you mean?

If so then I disagree when it comes to CTE. CTE puts me on the line and the shot works regardless of whether I hit it hard or soft.

CTE is geometrically correct in a frictionless world. A player can't make this shot with baseline CTE without accounting for the collision. Player has to either step more to the inside to sight a new edge or apply english to offset the CIT.
 
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CTE is geometrically correct in a frictionless world. A player can't make this shot with baseline CTE without accounting for the collision. Player has to either step more to the inside to sight a new edge or apply english to offset the CIT.

Well then maybe this is happening automatically but I am not consciously adjusting for contact induced throw.

I am using CTE as I know it which is admittedly wrong according to your statements. But for whatever reason what I am doing is working.
 
Well then maybe this is happening automatically but I am not consciously adjusting for contact induced throw.

I am using CTE as I know it which is admittedly wrong according to your statements. But for whatever reason what I am doing is working.

Perhaps Web is using CTE XP, and you're running the new CTE 7?
 
That's your answer? What are you 6 years old now?

See Lou Stroke.
See Lou Choke.
See Lou Broke.

Don't be a "Louser" - learn to aim the right way. :-)


Just putting it in terms you might understand.

I see that I succeeded.

Lou Figueroa
 
I can see where this is going

Wasn't there a flavor of Windows released called "Windows CTE"?

(Oh wait, my bad, that was "Windows CE".)

:p
-Sean


I can see where this is going. There aren't any issues with CTE, those are features! :D

Hu
 
Just putting it in terms you might understand.

I see that I succeeded.

Lou Figueroa

I thought you were just bringing it down to a level YOU could understand.

How about some break and run contests on video Lou? I will play you Fargo or One Pocket. We can do the one pocket according to Jay Helfert's rules.

I will bet $20 a match.
 
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