What could ultimately happen for CTE here on AZ would be that I could teach and share all right here but the haters would get in my way......so you win on that front. Congrats!
Stan Shuffett
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Pivoting systems and their relationship to CTE
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What could ultimately happen for CTE here on AZ would be that I could teach and share all right here but the haters would get in my way......so you win on that front. Congrats!
Stan Shuffett
There are teachers & there are preachers.
A teacher provides support for the lesson that they are trying to convey & provides the student with 'material' to give them cause to think &hopefully arrive at the proper conclusion.
A preacher says things & asks everyone to just believe what he says & tells them to not think about it, just believe it & if & when some don't simply believe what the preacher says with no support for what he says the preacher calls them names & then casts them out of the church & the believers join in on the names calling, etc.
As for salesmen.. there are various types.
Best Wishes for ALL.
A teacher provides support for the lesson that they are trying to convey & provides the student with 'material' to give them cause to think &hopefully arrive at the proper conclusion.
A preacher says things & asks everyone to just believe what he says & tells them to not think about it, just believe it & if & when some don't simply believe what the preacher says with no support for what he says the preacher calls them names & then casts them out of the church & the believers join in on the names calling, etc.
As for salesmen.. there are various types.
Best Wishes for ALL.
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You tell 'em, Wordman. I hope you show up at one of my clinics with your words. I think it would be fun to see you eat 'em.
Stan Shuffett
Not this hater. If you found an effective way to teach your aiming method, and people understood what you were saying, and it worked, I'd be very happy!
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Very well stated. That said, I'm rooting for Stan to get his book out in 2017, though I don't know how he is going to do it based on his description of the book. In my mind, if a 38 chapter book isn't able to clearly and definitively describe the CTE/Pro One method, then it doesn't work. If it does, then we should all congratulate Stan.
Stan releases DVD1. I'm re-watching it now, and honestly, it has all of the information necessary to learn the system. Despite that, what does Stan do? Releases free supplemental videos on YouTube
Does he stop there? Nope. Comes out with another DVD with additional information, but without changing the original concept. And of course, more supplemental videos.
That's it, right? Almost. Arriving next year, a book. With even more information to help people learn the system.
So it's not that Stan hasn't tried to teach the system in different ways to assist in people understanding, it's that there are some that just aren't willing to learn.
And I did say in DVD 2,that any updates would appear online.....I am a man of my word and the updates will be released for all to see. The haters do not care about but one thing and that is to tag CTE as a feel system.
Stan Shuffett
Well I really knew that there would basically only be 'Attack the Messenger" type posts in response to mine & NONE with any scientific offerings.
As to your fist sentence... I can too...
& I would go so far as to say that nearly everyone can....
Because TWO 'identical' 1/2 tip pivots, one in each direction, yield only TWO "different" angles from the same type of straight line non twisting on-line movement of the cue stick & tip.
If there is nothing different then the result will be the same.
Yet your statement might give the impression to many...
that you meant many "different" angles as in more than just two.
So..
Please "teach" everyone...
how you would get more than Two Angles from the same single visual with the SAME precisely defined pivot AND the same cue & tip placement & movement.... or rather how they can do it.
I think most of us already know the answer... you can not & must then do something different...
but that difference is NOT anything directed by any objective non subjective means.
And the reason that that is... is because the two balls do NOT present themselves any differently no matter where they are in the Universe or anywhere on any size or dimension pool table.
Even anyone with no education but only simple common sense would surly understand that & especially given the explanation of the ONLY ONE Equal & Simultaneous line that I gave in my last post.
You probably won't... for a number of reasons... including the one that I think is rather obvious to most.
Best Wishes for You & Yours.
You'd be making a big mistake to understate what I can do with CTE...that is as repeatable as your babbling message on this forum......CTE is an outlier to what you know in your world of guess-work at the table.
Stan Shuffett
Jon,
Firstly, Thank You for THIS Civil post.
Three points.
1. It is NOT a "system"
2. I think almost everyone is "willing" to learn.
3. I don't think anyone has ever said that Stan does not want to sell informational material... but all information is NOT correct & accurate... If it helps someone play better & well that's a good thing... If it does not there are reasons & some of us know what they are. I think the jury is still way out as to how many it has actually helped & I certainly understand that anyone that it has helped would want to support it & defend it. But that does NOT change SCIENCE. It is NOT the Supposed 'SYSTEM' that works... but individuals that work well with the method. Is THAT a good thing? Sure. But that does not make it an "objective aiming system'.
Best Wishes for You & Yours.
Again with the "OUTLIER".
You can say whatever you like...
but it is NOT any kind of an Outlier to the Scientific LAWS that govern the physical in This World.
AND how can anyone really make any statement regarding IT as IT seems to change nearly daily & is ONLY known in YOUR mind as to what IT is... today... & tomorrow & in 2017.
Best Wishes for You & Yours.
It is NOT a completely objective method...
but it is Not just dropping down on the table & moving around until one FEELS right about it either
But neither is playing with "feel"... which is having a data base in one's mind that has been built over time subjectively through the experiences of failures & successes.
Many that play with other methods realize that the method is an aid that get's one as close as possible... but... it is not always dead on & they can feel that... & then make the slight adjustment that the feel is correct based on there subjectively built data base.
Perhaps Your method places that subjectivity earlier in the process so that it can then be forgotten & the focus can then be put more into the stroke than having concerns about the shot line.
If you would realize that it is NOT a completely objective 'system' & that it does rely on subjective interpretations, what you may have called 'visual intelligence' in the past, then perhaps it would be met with more acceptance than what it is, because of the inaccuracies as to what it is said to be & for calling those that do not agree with your interpretations 'haters'
I'm Christian & do not hate anyone. God Loves the sinner but still 'hates' the sin.
Best Wishes for You & Yours... & All.
There are objective elements in it... but it not a completely objective system as in what that word connotes when put in the phrase 'an objective aiming system'.
Does it have at least 90 objective markers or indicators & if so does it indicate which one to use for every angle of shot?
No it does not.
Best Wishes for You & Yours.
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Dan,
I think you know that you are suspending your grasp on reality.
That is what I briefly did when I first heard John Barton mention a Totally objective aiming system or perhaps he said method..
Then reality started creeping back but I was still hopeful...
then I saw the 5 shots video.
If there is some science of which I am not aware & it could be true...
then I would be all over it... just I was enthused when I first heard about.
All the Best for You & Yours,
Rick
Oppps....
I almost fell for the bait.
How about we discuss subject matters instead of people.
Someone once said... “Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.”
Best Wishes for You & Yours
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I am just about done here.....it is hard to pull the trigger but between you and Dan...I just really do not want to be on here but I will leave the door cracked open....
This forum can have you two birds.
Stan Shuffett
Wow, you captured my Ooooop! You must be hanging on my every word.
Now the haters are "birds".
Also since I am a 'word man' perhaps you should have asked me for help in writing your book.
And why, may I ask, a book, instead of an E-book? Would not an E-book be more accessible & economical or is too many words & pics for an E-book?
Best Wishes for You & Yours.
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