play safe or shoot?

I have always heard and read that in 8 ball if you can't run out the worse thing to do is to sink your balls early. I know a lot ot people only think about offense and if they want to play that way that's fine. If you want to play to win you better know when and how to play safe.
 
I have always heard and read that in 8 ball if you can't run out the worse thing to do is to sink your balls early. I know a lot ot people only think about offense and if they want to play that way that's fine. If you want to play to win you better know when and how to play safe.

But not when you have no problem balls. That is the complaint. He has shots but refuses to take them.

If you have 7 balls left, and nothing tied up, why in heavens name would you play safe unless you got terrible position, and the shot was a sell out. But he's not saying that, he's saying guy just doesn't have the stones to trust him making the hangers ;)
 
But not when you have no problem balls. That is the complaint. He has shots but refuses to take them.

If you have 7 balls left, and nothing tied up, why in heavens name would you play safe unless you got terrible position, and the shot was a sell out. But he's not saying that, he's saying guy just doesn't have the stones to trust him making the hangers ;)

I don't understand why you would worry about how your opponent shoots their shot. It's their choice. If they have all hangers, well you shouldn't get back to the table period, but your opponent is letting you back to the table. Why would you complain about that? It seems to me the OP is losing as a result of this, and if that's the case, you can't argue with his opponent's strategy. I would love it if my opponent had an easy out, and instead chose to let me back to the table, even if all I have is a kick.
 
But not when you have no problem balls. That is the complaint. He has shots but refuses to take them.

Every player will/should play a strategy that he thinks gives him the best advantage to win.

Complaining about it is like complaining that terrorists won't meet our army on a "field of battle." Terrorists know that would be suicidal for them...so they employ a different strategy.

If the opponent wins, he was right. If he loses, he was wrong.
 
But not when you have no problem balls. That is the complaint. He has shots but refuses to take them.

If you have 7 balls left, and nothing tied up, why in heavens name would you play safe unless you got terrible position, and the shot was a sell out. But he's not saying that, he's saying guy just doesn't have the stones to trust him making the hangers ;)

I agree I would try to run out in that situation. I have seen some safes played when you would think the runout was easier. Guess you never know how confident your opponent is to complete the task.
 
I was playing a friendly tourney. Guy wasn't a good shooter. Wouldn't even look for a shot most times let alone a run out. Basically all he kept doing was safe safe safe. So with 4 balls on the table playing 9 ball. I would just hand him the cue ball. Think he made one and played safe. Same thing. Handed him the cue ball. Made one and played safe. Balls are wide open now. So again I hand him the cue ball. Two balls to run out. Made one missed the 9. I could have gotten out of any of his lame safe. Just wanted to show him what I thought of his shooting ability. Couldn't even run two balls. Safes are fine. When needed. Don't play if you can't shoot though.

Not sure if this was already pointed out in the thread but it sounds like you just 3 fouled-did he tell you that you were on 2? Lol
 
Not sure if this was already pointed out in the thread but it sounds like you just 3 fouled-did he tell you that you were on 2? Lol

Good point, but I'm betting the guy he was playing did not know what a 3 foul win was, and also many local tournaments don't use that rule. We tried it, and it just confused people. I had someone argue that when you hit the ball but the cueball scratches, it is not a foul. Can't explain rules to some people so we just stopped using 3 foul rules. For tournaments with a wide range of skills that is really better so the weaker players are not constantly getting 3 fouled and getting pissed and quitting playing altogether.
 
Ever play someone a game of 8 ball and he'd rather play safe instead of trying to make his shot? I'm not talking about trying to make a hard shot but a easy shot that he would skip because playing the safe is easier than the shot. Years ago I played pool all the time. I got sucked into to playing in a league and found guys constantly playing safe instead of attempting makeable shots. I've always played offence and tried to make my shots and not worry about burying the other guy behind a ball on purpose. If a guy shoots and misses and the cue rolls behind another ball burying it that's one thing but to do it on purpose is another to me. Back in the day we had a name for that type of player. In the pool room we all knew who the "safe" players were and we would tell em grow a set, go play with the kids you woose.

Mosconi hated playing Crane because Crane played slow and he played a awful lot of safes. Mosconi's safes weren't much because he rarely played a safe. Sigel was famous for burying the other players with safes yet he claimed he hated having to play safe, he'd rather take the shot if it was makeable. Strickland's safe play is the worst part of his game because he is all offence. I've seen him screw up so many times trying to play safe its funny. Its not his style to play safe.

I know we have all been told playing safes is part of the game. I've always said yeah its part of the game, the sissy part. I'd rather a guy miss a ball on purpose when he's really playing safe than to tell me I'm playing safe.

How do you guys feel about safes?

By saying safeties are for sissies you're letting everyone know you lack one third of game knowledge (other two being ball pocketing and position). And this is coming from a radically offensive player.
 
Safety type games have become popular, due to the demand of tenacious, barely skilled players, who find winning games via sequences of ordinary shots, confirmation of some unquantifiable greatness.
 
Safety type games have become popular, due to the demand of tenacious, barely skilled players, who find winning games via sequences of ordinary shots, confirmation of some unquantifiable greatness.

If it puts money in my pocket, the more ordinary the better. :thumbup:
 
Safety type games have become popular, due to the demand of tenacious, barely skilled players, who find winning games via sequences of ordinary shots, confirmation of some unquantifiable greatness.

The greatness is quantified by the number of wins.
 
Sigel was famous for burying the other players with safes yet he claimed he hated having to play safe, he'd rather take the shot if it was makeable.

One reason Sigel didn't like to play safe is because he thought it was the weakest part of his game.
 
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