Player Ratings and Levels...Where are you???

When I played consistently, it was in the high 2 / low 3 level on average. And, when I applied myself, I got to the high 3 level, only to get spanked by the low level 4's and 5's. I'm struggling to get back to that level at this time.

Translate all of this to the NYC factor and I was about -0.5! Yikes! Talk about swimming with sharks. Jude must wear kevlar clothing. :eek:
 
Pretty good rating system J... but I agree with some others that the vast majority of us are likely in the 2-3 range and it probably makes sense to split Level 2 into a 2B and a 2A level.

But on your system I'd say that I'm a 2+... numerically, somewhere around a 2.7... but so much of where we individually fall in that 2-3 range depends on the local competition, FWIW.
 
This scale is a nice idea, except, as about a 2.5, if forces me to recognize just how low on the totem pole I am ;-}
On the other hand, imagine the scale as a pyramid, there will be probably thousands of 1's for every 2, hundreds of 2's for every 3, scores of 3's for every 4....like that.
Now, I don't feel so bad. On rationalization, I'm a world-class 10!
 
FWIW, after reading the comments posted to this thread I took the lattitude to revise Mr. J's proposed rating system to split Level 2 into 2B and 2A and added some "student of the game" comments and some "contributor" comments.


1) Recreational Player... just goes to the bar or pool hall once in a while and grabs a house cue off the wall and has some fun with pool now and then. This player may own a cue. They are not what would be called a student of the game.

2B) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player is just starting to become a student of the game. Likely owns a cue. They may enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and may play in a league or two. They may also enter a local or regional big event every once in a while just for the experience. They tend to be the contributors to the money pools and they know it.

2A) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player studies the game with interest… but has much yet to learn. They enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and/or may play in a league or two. They're fairly dependable for getting in the money or being within the Top 10 of their league. They may enter in a local or regional big event once in a while but they're mostly a contributor in these bigger events. Starting to gamble, mostly with friends.

3) Local Tournament Winners and/or League Champs... This player has completed a lot of their pool studies. They enter a good number of the local weekly tournaments. It's rare for them to not be in the money. Like the above players, they have a fulltime job away from pool. More than likely, they've always had a job but they've put in the time to develop a respected game among their friends. They play most all of the regional events and occasionally they make the money in these events. Starting to gamble with strangers.

4) Regional Champs... This player most likely doesn't have a fulltime job away from pool.. They tend to stay close to home and may wander within a couple of states for pool action. These players are always in the cash and gamble a bit too. They are the ones who routinely win the nightlys and weeklys and they also place high in the money in the Regional and Local events. Definitely the best of your area (unless you're blessed with having pros in your region).

5) Road Players... This player plays pool for a living. No job, pool is their job. They gamble a lot and are always in the cash in one way or another. They travel all over the country regularly looking for a game or tournament. This player is among the best in the country. May also play in pro events.

6) Pro Tour Player... This player is always at all the Big events. They are the National Champions of the game. Their caliber of play is excellent. Pro tour stops and world events are their place.

7) World Class... These players are the best of the best in the World. Johnny Archer, Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland, Ralf Souquet, Mr. Hohmann , Nick Varner and all the other World Champions. These are the ones who WIN the pro events and world championships.
 
cigardave said:
FWIW, after reading the comments posted to this thread I took the lattitude to revise Mr. J's proposed rating system to split Level 2 into 2B and 2A and added some "student of the game" comments and some "contributor" comments.


1) Recreational Player... just goes to the bar or pool hall once in a while and grabs a house cue off the wall and has some fun with pool now and then. This player may own a cue. They are not what would be called a student of the game.

2B) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player is just starting to become a student of the game. Likely owns a cue. They may enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and may play in a league or two. They may also enter a local or regional big event every once in a while just for the experience. They tend to be the contributors to the money pools and they know it.

2A) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player studies the game with interest… but has much yet to learn. They enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and/or may play in a league or two. They're fairly dependable for getting in the money or being within the Top 10 of their league. They may enter in a local or regional big event once in a while but they're mostly a contributor in these bigger events. Starting to gamble, mostly with friends.

3) Local Tournament Winners and/or League Champs... This player has completed a lot of their pool studies. They enter a good number of the local weekly tournaments. It's rare for them to not be in the money. Like the above players, they have a fulltime job away from pool. More than likely, they've always had a job but they've put in the time to develop a respected game among their friends. They play most all of the regional events and occasionally they make the money in these events. Starting to gamble with strangers.

4) Regional Champs... This player most likely doesn't have a fulltime job away from pool.. They tend to stay close to home and may wander within a couple of states for pool action. These players are always in the cash and gamble a bit too. They are the ones who routinely win the nightlys and weeklys and they also place high in the money in the Regional and Local events. Definitely the best of your area (unless you're blessed with having pros in your region).

5) Road Players... This player plays pool for a living. No job, pool is their job. They gamble a lot and are always in the cash in one way or another. They travel all over the country regularly looking for a game or tournament. This player is among the best in the country. May also play in pro events.

6) Pro Tour Player... This player is always at all the Big events. They are the National Champions of the game. Their caliber of play is excellent. Pro tour stops and world events are their place.

7) World Class... These players are the best of the best in the World. Johnny Archer, Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland, Ralf Souquet, Mr. Hohmann , Nick Varner and all the other World Champions. These are the ones who WIN the pro events and world championships.
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Based on this one...I'm a 2A-3 ish player.
 
cigardave said:
FWIW, after reading the comments posted to this thread I took the lattitude to revise Mr. J's proposed rating system to split Level 2 into 2B and 2A and added some "student of the game" comments and some "contributor" comments.


1) Recreational Player... just goes to the bar or pool hall once in a while and grabs a house cue off the wall and has some fun with pool now and then. This player may own a cue. They are not what would be called a student of the game.

2B) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player is just starting to become a student of the game. Likely owns a cue. They may enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and may play in a league or two. They may also enter a local or regional big event every once in a while just for the experience. They tend to be the contributors to the money pools and they know it.

2A) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player studies the game with interest… but has much yet to learn. They enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and/or may play in a league or two. They're fairly dependable for getting in the money or being within the Top 10 of their league. They may enter in a local or regional big event once in a while but they're mostly a contributor in these bigger events. Starting to gamble, mostly with friends.

3) Local Tournament Winners and/or League Champs... This player has completed a lot of their pool studies. They enter a good number of the local weekly tournaments. It's rare for them to not be in the money. Like the above players, they have a fulltime job away from pool. More than likely, they've always had a job but they've put in the time to develop a respected game among their friends. They play most all of the regional events and occasionally they make the money in these events. Starting to gamble with strangers.

4) Regional Champs... This player most likely doesn't have a fulltime job away from pool.. They tend to stay close to home and may wander within a couple of states for pool action. These players are always in the cash and gamble a bit too. They are the ones who routinely win the nightlys and weeklys and they also place high in the money in the Regional and Local events. Definitely the best of your area (unless you're blessed with having pros in your region).

5) Road Players... This player plays pool for a living. No job, pool is their job. They gamble a lot and are always in the cash in one way or another. They travel all over the country regularly looking for a game or tournament. This player is among the best in the country. May also play in pro events.

6) Pro Tour Player... This player is always at all the Big events. They are the National Champions of the game. Their caliber of play is excellent. Pro tour stops and world events are their place.

7) World Class... These players are the best of the best in the World. Johnny Archer, Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland, Ralf Souquet, Mr. Hohmann , Nick Varner and all the other World Champions. These are the ones who WIN the pro events and world championships.
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Thanks for the revise Dave....I am sure this will help all who want to check their standing...good job bud....

Mr. J. :-)
 
Rating ...

I would say 3.8 to 4.0 depending on what's going
on in my life at the time besides Pool.
 
How would you all equate this rating system to a basketball analogy? Sometimes when a non-pool-playing friend remarks that someone "shoots good" (who's really a C player) I tell them that they ought to see a really good player shoot. Since the friend may not be too exposed to much pool, it's hard for them to comprehend how much better someone else can be.

But since everyone knows basketball, I try to use that as an analogy. Using Jeff's rating system, this is how I would compare it to basketball.

Agree? Disagree?

Edit: How would this basketball analogy fit into the A-D rating system?


1) Recreational Player... just goes to the bar or pool hall once in a while and grabs a house cue off the wall and has some fun with pool now and then. This player may own a cue. They are not what would be called a student of the game.

YOUR FELLOW CO-WORKERS WHO GET TOGETHER AFTER WORK AT THE SINGLE HOOP BEHIND THE COMPANY BUILDING. SAID PLAYERS WHO ARE USUALLY MORE ACCLIMATED TO LIFTING PEN AND SHUFFLING PAPER FOR EXERCISE.


2B) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player is just starting to become a student of the game. Likely owns a cue. They may enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and may play in a league or two. They may also enter a local or regional big event every once in a while just for the experience. They tend to be the contributors to the money pools and they know it.

SAME AS #1 BUT IS BETTER. MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE JUNIOR VARSITY TEAM BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT USUALLY SECOND STRING AND USUALLY BENCHED.


2A) Local Tournament and/or League Player... This player studies the game with interest… but has much yet to learn. They enter some of the local $5-20 tournaments and/or may play in a league or two. They're fairly dependable for getting in the money or being within the Top 10 of their league. They may enter in a local or regional big event once in a while but they're mostly a contributor in these bigger events. Starting to gamble, mostly with friends.

SAME AS #2A BUT ALSO PARTICPATES IN ANY CITY BASKETBALL LEAGUES. MAY HAV EBEEN SECOND STRING ON VARISTY TEAM IN HIGH SCHOOL.


3) Local Tournament Winners and/or League Champs... This player has completed a lot of their pool studies. They enter a good number of the local weekly tournaments. It's rare for them to not be in the money. Like the above players, they have a fulltime job away from pool. More than likely, they've always had a job but they've put in the time to develop a respected game among their friends. They play most all of the regional events and occasionally they make the money in these events. Starting to gamble with strangers.

USED TO PLAY VARSITY BASKETBALL IN HIGH SCHOOL.


4) Regional Champs... This player most likely doesn't have a fulltime job away from pool.. They tend to stay close to home and may wander within a couple of states for pool action. These players are always in the cash and gamble a bit too. They are the ones who routinely win the nightlys and weeklys and they also place high in the money in the Regional and Local events. Definitely the best of your area (unless you're blessed with having pros in your region).

SECOND STRING ON COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAM.


5) Road Players... This player plays pool for a living. No job, pool is their job. They gamble a lot and are always in the cash in one way or another. They travel all over the country regularly looking for a game or tournament. This player is among the best in the country. May also play in pro events.

THE GUYS DEPICTED IN VARIOUS MOVIES PLAYING BASKETBALL AT THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD BASKETBALL COURTS WHO DIDN'T MAKE PRO. MAY HAVE ONCE BEEN VARSITY ON COLLEGE TEAM BUT HAS GOTTEN MUCH BETTER.


6) Pro Tour Player... This player is always at all the Big events. They are the National Champions of the game. Their caliber of play is excellent. Pro tour stops and world events are their place.

SECOND-STRING NBA PRO PLAYERS


7) World Class... These players are the best of the best in the World. Johnny Archer, Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland, Ralf Souquet, Mr. Hohmann , Nick Varner and all the other World Champions. These are the ones who WIN the pro events and world championships.

NBA PRO PLAYERS WITH EFREN REYES BEING THE EQUIVALENT OF MICHAEL JORDAN
 
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I am not sure where I would fit in this scale. I play in an average of one to two tournaments per year, and never play in any leagues. I play one pocket 4-5 nights per week (usually around $40 -$50/ game), and occasionaly a few sets of 10 ball. I am not a road player as I only play near home (unless on vacation), and I am nowhere near good enough to consider myself a regional champ. I don't think I am alone in this either, as most of my regular money matches are against players that meet the same description. Maybe this is just a local phenomenom because of the fact that all of the tourneys (excluding bar box), utilize a terrible ratings system. I do kinda like the scale though, and skill wise I guess I would play evenly against a 3 on your scale.
 
Well, back in my younger days went I was playing a lot, I'd have to say that my rating was a solid 3. Now 16 years later, I'm a 1 as far as system reads but will be a 2 in a few weeks because I've got cues on order and I'll be joining a Fall/Winter league :D

So right now I'm a level 1 now but honestly believe that I could hold my own with a 2 level player ;) I feel the rust getting knocked off after each visit to the pool hall, I feel that by next Spring I'll be back on top of my game looking for that next level to conquer :D
 
Ummagumma said:
But since everyone knows basketball, I try to use that as an analogy. Using Jeff's rating system, this is how I would compare it to basketball.

Agree? Disagree?

Edit: How would this basketball analogy fit into the A-D rating system?
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This is a good analogy. I actually use a similar analogy when trying to describe to some wannabe players of just how good a professional is. A good analogy is also golf, since they have a real structure. club pro, PGA Card holder, satelite tour player, PGA Tour player, etc.

Fred
 
I'm not even in the 2 category...I've never participated in a league or a tournament before. But I do own a cue...though, only one cue (my entire life).

So I'll place myself at 1.4 or so. :)
 
I would guess at around a 3.5ish. I am normally one of the top 3 players in my AA league.. Get into the cash in most of the local tourneys that I play.
I have beat some short stops in tournaments, went to the wire with some lesser know pro's in Viking touneys etc..
I work too much and have too much other stuff going on to reach a really high level. I really just play the game because I love the challenge.. Not really into gambling, I don't need that to perform. And practicing is fun to me.. I enjoy the pressures of the game..

Peace, jbk
 
I like it.
When I was an active player (before marriage and baby) I would have put myself in the 4+ category. But years later I would put myself in the -4 category with streaks of 2.5 - 3..
 
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I would be a 3 now. Before getting a normal job and married I was closer to a 4. Funny how to get to 4 or above you can't have a normal job.
 
metal5d said:
I would be a 3 now. Before getting a normal job and married I was closer to a 4. Funny how to get to 4 or above you can't have a normal job.
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Quite True... and to add.. a normal LIFE.

Many years ago, I would have put myself in the 4+ range, but since marriage, kids and JOBs......

BTW, back in the 80s, there wasn't any Regional Tours, just Annual events or 'memorial' events, like the Clyde Childress and Joey Speath tournaments (1986/1988 respectivley)

Videos, Books, instructors and the internet, didn't exist for pool players. You learned by watching, asking and gambling.
 
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