Player Selection for First IPT Tournament

TX Poolnut said:
Following is a complete list of all 17 living Hall of Fame members. I don't know about Trudeau but I am having a hard time whittling this list down to 10.

Player Year Inducted

Steve Mizerak 1980
Jean Balukas 1985
Lou Butera 1986
Mike Sigel 1989
Nick Varner 1992
Ray Martin 1994
Dallas West 1996
Buddy Hall 2000
Robert Byrne 2001
Raymond Cuelemans 2001
Jim Rempe 2002
Loree Jon Jones 2002
Ed Kelly 2003
Efren Reyes 2003
Ewa Lawrence 2004
Mike Massey 2005
Robin Dodson 2005


reyes and varner seem to be the only ones from that list that would still be able to compete with sigel, think they'll be invited?
 
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SlimShafty said:
Just think someone upsets Sigel in the first tournament and now they become the King of the Hill, and the next tournament they get to play the runner up by default and someone needs to beat them to take away the title. Everyone always fighting to get at the champ.

So if it is just this one tournament stop, Big deal we sure do need to make changes to draw some excitement. Second place money will be huge, most likely 75,000 heck 10th place will be around 25,000 so people wouldn't be too mad.

I like that because as you well stated, we need to add excitement.
 
Masayoshi said:
reyes and varner seem to be the only ones from that list that would still be able to compete with sigel, think they'll be invited?

Buddy Hall, Jim Rempe and Mike Massey could also compete with Sigel.
 
Nostroke said:
I think you are a bit out of line Marissa-Let's not forget our christian roots.

But seeing as you raised the subject, do you ever....Oh nevermind you wouldnt be home Saturday nite if you did.
:eek: :)
I've had some wine tonight and this may be my nerdy equivalent to drunk dialing.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I've had some wine tonight and this may be my nerdy equivalent to drunk dialing.

Ok Understood-Not sure i would define that as Nerdy though.

Drunk dialing im pretty familiar with. I used to call the operators at the telephone office in town and try to get something going with them. I gave'm a good laugh anyway though the supervisors didnt find it too amusing.
 
Nostroke said:
Ok Understood-Not sure i would define that as Nerdy though.

Drunk dialing im pretty familiar with. I used to call the operators at the telephone office in town and try to get something going with them. I gave'm a good laugh anyway though the supervisors didnt find it too amusing.
I'm the worst at drunk dialing. My mobile should have come equipped with a breathaliser! :p
 
Nostroke said:
Buddy Hall, Jim Rempe and Mike Massey could also compete with Sigel.


could they really? i would think buddy and rempe are too old and massey never was that competitive in pro pool.
 
Masayoshi said:
reyes and varner seem to be the only ones from that list that would still be able to compete with sigel, think they'll be invited?
just a theory...if varner and reyes are not invited then mike sigel really asked trudeau to not let them join the tournament as he is more interested in himself and to make the tournament in his favor.
 
pete lafond said:
Isn't it 43 plus hall of famers? How many Hall of Famers are there that are able to play?


I spoke with Dallas West at his Pool Hall in Rockford about 3 weeks ago and he said that he had been invited and was going and that there was some guaranteed money in it for him.
 
What is this ...

It seems more and more like Sigel couldn't accept charity
right out, so this big plan was hatched to get him some
money. Do you honestly think they are going to really
put anyone too dangerous up against Sigel? This is sounding
more and more like a Ballbuster's type production with
mediorce (read past primes, haven't shot except for last 2 months)
type talent to be showcased against Sigel in the finale'.

As far as being on TV, the production will probably be absolutely
inundated with commercials for Kevin's products.
 
I disagree with those who suggest that Trudeau and Sigel won't try to assemble a very strong field.

I do, however, agree that they'll likely take care of Mike's favorites before applying objective logic in the selection process, and the result will surely be that some who deserve in will not have the opportunity to play.

I rather like the idea of inviting all living BCA Hall of Famers (players category, not meritorious service). At very least, it ensures Efren, Buddy and Varner will be there, good news for any event.
 
sjm said:
I disagree with those who suggest that Trudeau and Sigel won't try to assemble a very strong field.

I do, however, agree that they'll likely take care of Mike's favorites before applying objective logic in the selection process, and the result will surely be that some who deserve in will not have the opportunity to play.

I rather like the idea of inviting all living BCA Hall of Famers (players category, not meritorious service). At very least, it ensures Efren, Buddy and Varner will be there, good news for any event.

Mike is on record as saying that the old timers will dominate the IPT. This of course is a ridiculous statement if the cream of the Young Guns are given an opportunity. He also said and im cutting and pasting this.

'LJJ would KILL korr and fisher under these conditions..this is 8 ball..slow nap cloth...no breaking from the side rail'.

What a load of crap!!

I don't know who has less credibilty Kevin or Mike but this is sounding more and more like wrestling to me.

Anyway the fact that he said that BS about the old timers makes me think that he may do everything he can to make his statement come true. I wouldnt bet much on my theory, it's just a possibility.

Hopefully SJM is correct-Time will tell of course.
 
Nostroke said:
'LJJ would KILL korr and fisher under these conditions..this is 8 ball..slow nap cloth...no breaking from the side rail'.

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LJJ while being a fine player on the womens circuit can't play with Korr or Fisher now or ever.

Sure the old-timers will have some help from the old style cloth. Then again it might not be as helpful as he thinks. Players like Hall, Varner and Rempe have kept playing into the Simonis era and have adjusted well. Most players I know don't want to go back to the slow cloth after playing on the modern faster cloth. Besides, the young players now are soooo strong and there are so many of them. So many strong young players that suport several regional tours throughout the country. If the the money true and the money is good everyone will adapt and adapt fast.

I have an idea. A friend of mine is a farmer that plays pool in his barn so I think I will start a tour and cover all the tables with old potato sacks cause thats how the table in his barn is... He would be a sure thing to win!!

Is Sigel playing the open nest week? I know his name goes on the list as a past winner.
 
barrett9ball said:
Is Sigel playing the open nest week? I know his name goes on the list as a past winner.


I doubt it- afterall he cant compete on 'fast nap cloth' :)
 
Nostroke said:
I doubt it- afterall he cant compete on 'fast nap cloth' :)
Thats what I'm figuring also... At least he would have a well documented excuse for losing which he could refer back to :D
 
Nostroke said:
Mike is on record as saying that the old timers will dominate the IPT. This of course is a ridiculous statement if the cream of the Young Guns are given an opportunity. He also said and im cutting and pasting this.

'LJJ would KILL korr and fisher under these conditions..this is 8 ball..slow nap cloth...no breaking from the side rail'.

What a load of crap!!

Perhaps Mike should do stand-up comedy.

At the 2000 US Open Straight Pool Championships, Allison Fisher showed she can even dominate LJJ playing the game LJJ grew up on, a game that Fisher had tried only a few times before that event. Comparing Fisher (or Corr) to LJJ is a complete waste of time.

Of course, Mike is in a position to make this a self-fulfilling prophesy, by stacking the deck sufficently against today's elite players, but if he does, this whole tour amounts to a hoax. I'm both hoping for and expecting better.
 
If any one thinks the best of the best will not be invited think again, nobody will be left out because they are too good, thats silly actually, and the opposite is true, those not good enough will be left out at some point since you have to qualify to stay on tour. The first tour stop is an invitational and only 43 players so some certainly will cry foul, but that's life, It's an INVITATIONAL.

That being said Varner is already confirmed, Reyes is invited and it's up to him if he wants to play. Guys like Strickland, Varner and Reyes, Hall will be right up there, I think Reyes will be in the top 3 for sure if he wants to play, I sure hope he isn't worried about a slap on the hand from the WPA, some of the better international players may get spooked by the all ruling WPA which would be sad:(
 
TX Poolnut said:
Following is a complete list of all 17 living Hall of Fame members. I don't know about Trudeau but I am having a hard time whittling this list down to 10.

Player Year Inducted

Steve Mizerak 1980*
Jean Balukas 1985
Lou Butera 1986*
Mike Sigel 1989*
Nick Varner 1992*
Ray Martin 1994*
Dallas West 1996*
Buddy Hall 2000*
Robert Byrne 2001
Raymond Cuelemans 2001
Jim Rempe 2002*
Loree Jon Jones 2002
Ed Kelly 2003
Efren Reyes 2003*
Ewa Lawrence 2004
Mike Massey 2005*
Robin Dodson 2005

* If I'm not mistaken there are only 10 living "male POCKET billiards" members on this list.

Maybe they are who he was refering to??
 
SlimShafty said:
If any one thinks the best of the best will not be invited think again, nobody will be left out because they are too good, thats silly actually, and the opposite is true, those not good enough will be left out at some point since you have to qualify to stay on tour. The first tour stop is an invitational and only 43 players so some certainly will cry foul, but that's life, It's an INVITATIONAL.
I think its more of if Trudeau knows who the best 33 players in the world are. It will be interesting to see how much of the field is from Asia and Europe.. ;)
 
SlimShafty said:
If any one thinks the best of the best will not be invited think again, nobody will be left out because they are too good, thats silly actually, and the opposite is true, those not good enough will be left out at some point since you have to qualify to stay on tour. The first tour stop is an invitational and only 43 players so some certainly will cry foul, but that's life, It's an INVITATIONAL.

That being said Varner is already confirmed, Reyes is invited and it's up to him if he wants to play. Guys like Strickland, Varner and Reyes, Hall will be right up there, I think Reyes will be in the top 3 for sure if he wants to play, I sure hope he isn't worried about a slap on the hand from the WPA, some of the better international players may get spooked by the all ruling WPA which would be sad:(

All you've mentioned is three hall of famers and one whose omission from the hall of fame is one of pool's longest running jokes. Yes, the hall of famers are in, as is the biggest draw in men's pool today, Earl Strickland.

What most of us are interested in is seeing whether the most elite competitors in men's pro pool today are invited, such as: Souquet, Archer, Hohmann, Immonen, Deuel, Wu, Kuo, Chao, Yang, Morris, Manalo, Bustamante, Chamat, Engert, Feijen, Owen and several others. Finally, if playing credentials don't come first, what will the selection criteria be: a) age, b) looks, c) nationality, d) affiliations or lack thereof with other pro pool organizations, e) level of friendship with Sigel, or f) other?

We're all on the edge of our seats, hoping that the field will be chosen i a way that we beleive serves the game's besat interests.
 
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