Playing n Practicing on 10 Foot tables.

King T said:
Well all the Philippino's play on buckets and they have produced more champ's consistently then any other country? They shoot as straight as any human can!

So do super tight pockets help, if you want to practice shooting, great, but if you want to learn how to play, you have to learn how to play.

Buddy Hall says "the game should not be a shooting contest, it should be about the guy that plays the game the best and when you make the pockets so tight that guys cant make shots, it changes the game into a who can shoot the straightest"
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You are right and i understand where u're coming from.
However pinoys are known to play under the "worst conditions " and gambling their way outta poverty so that automatically gives them an edge over ur usual American.

Moreover Efren once mentioned in an interview that nobody beats the Chinese ( Taiwanse ) when it comes to playing big dough, Yang was undisputedly Asia's Money gamr king taunting Dennis orcollo offer of 5 grand too low, wanting a mininum side bet of 50 grand and smashing Orcollo 100-70 in the color of money 2.

I would like to hear your views on my opinion :)

Sincerely
Ryan
 
SureShot21 said:
I believe it will indeed make ball pocketing easier on the smaller table, however it could seriously mess up your position play. I wouldn't recommend it unless you are just practicing long shots with no thoughts on position. By the way, where are you practicing on a 10-footer at?! haha
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This is very true. I do have a 10 ft snooker table at home that I play on every day, however I only play snooker maybe 2 or 3 times a month. Normally I throw out the Centennial balls and just run balls and work on a few drills. One pocket (my favorite game) is practically unplayable on it with 2 1/4" balls and 3 3/16" pockets, and snooker bends on the rails. The upside is that I have more consistency and confidence on cut shots, but in order to make a high percentage of cut shots I have to play down on the cue ball, meaning center cue ball and pocket speed, so that is quite different when I go to the poolroom for 1 pocket action.

I will be converting my 10 footer shortly with new rails to be able to play pool.
 
A 10 foot table can help improve your stroke and shooting accuracy. I practice on one regularly, and I also play snooker on a 12 footer, which really gets you shooting incredibly straight. But if you're finding yourself constantly getting beat by more seasoned players, I think playing more regularly against seasoned players and better opposition will have faster results to improve your game. You could have the most difficult table in the world and master it, but yet lose under the pressure of a money game against a player that also shoots the lights out. Depending on the game and race, the better shot maker is not always the winner. There's a lot of strategies to pool besides running out. Although being able to run out consistently also helps.

If you have a good 9 footer, I don't think I'd change it out just for a 10. Do you have room for both? LOL.

My advice to improve beyond where you are...test your skills more against players that you have to play better to beat. If you have buddies that are a little better than you now, they'll help you shoot better by playing them more than any table, imo. And if you can find someone that's better than them, try to play that person as much as possible and then see if you notice a difference when you play your buddies again.
 
What's your budget? The reason I ask is that may make your decision for you.

If you get a Diamond 10' table, they are about 10K. That was the price 2 years ago. Not sure if it has gone down since.

If you go used, your options are probably just 50 yr old (or older) Brunswicks. You will have to find one for POOL, and it might need to be completely rebuilt. There are many 10' SNOOKER tables out there, but they won't play correctly for pool.

Good luck.
 
iusedtoberich said:
What's your budget? The reason I ask is that may make your decision for you.

If you get a Diamond 10' table, they are about 10K. That was the price 2 years ago. Not sure if it has gone down since.

If you go used, your options are probably just 50 yr old (or older) Brunswicks. You will have to find one for POOL, and it might need to be completely rebuilt. There are many 10' SNOOKER tables out there, but they won't play correctly for pool.

Good luck.
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WHOAAA WHOAA WHOAA 10 G's just outta the question for me as im fresh outta college loll.

My uncle doea business in China so he has contacts that can help me secure a China made 10 ft table with 3 pcs slate for 2.5 grand. Selling my 9 foot table may bring me 800 bucks top.

It is obviously not on the same quality with a diamond or gold crown but im not trying to be a world champion either, just trying to improve more efficiently and in the shortest possible time :))

Thanks for your help
Ryan
 
The 10' table at the pool hall I play at is a converted snooker table and actually plays fantastic. The only drawback it has is that as a result of being converted from snooker rails it has the deepest pocket shelves of any table I've ever seen. A full size 2 1/4" pool ball can sit on the middle of the lip of the pocket and still be at least an 1/8th of an inch behind the nose of the cushions!
 
NitPicker said:
A 10 foot table can help improve your stroke and shooting accuracy. I practice on one regularly, and I also play snooker on a 12 footer, which really gets you shooting incredibly straight. But if you're finding yourself constantly getting beat by more seasoned players, I think playing more regularly against seasoned players and better opposition will have faster results to improve your game. You could have the most difficult table in the world and master it, but yet lose under the pressure of a money game against a player that also shoots the lights out. Depending on the game and race, the better shot maker is not always the winner. There's a lot of strategies to pool besides running out. Although being able to run out consistently also helps.

If you have a good 9 footer, I don't think I'd change it out just for a 10. Do you have room for both? LOL.

My advice to improve beyond where you are...test your skills more against players that you have to play better to beat. If you have buddies that are a little better than you now, they'll help you shoot better by playing them more than any table, imo. And if you can find someone that's better than them, try to play that person as much as possible and then see if you notice a difference when you play your buddies again.
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Hey buddy, thanks for your help :)

Leme explain my situation, the seasoned pros i can't beat now has been playing for more than 20 yrs minimum, i 've been playing for 2 yrs only, and i'm certainly sure that since i bought my 9 ft table, i basically learned what they learn in 10 yrs in 1 yr, and if i keep it up praticing, i'll prpbably smash them in 2 yrs but i wanna further develope my edge knowing that everytime i walk onto a pool hall with the confidence that i beat the ghost on a 10 foot table , know what i mean ??

Please enlighten me if my thinking is wrong :))

Sincerely
Ryan
 
A couple of simple questions.

How many 10 foot tournaments do you play in?

Have you perfected your stroke on a 9 foot table?
 
Cezar Morales said:
Hey buddy, thanks for your help :)

Leme explain my situation, the seasoned pros i can't beat now has been playing for more than 20 yrs minimum, i 've been playing for 2 yrs only, and i'm certainly sure that since i bought my 9 ft table, i basically learned what they learn in 10 yrs in 1 yr, and if i keep it up praticing, i'll prpbably smash them in 2 yrs but i wanna further develope my edge knowing that everytime i walk onto a pool hall with the confidence that i beat the ghost on a 10 foot table , know what i mean ??

Please enlighten me if my thinking is wrong :))

Sincerely
Ryan
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Practice will help ensure solid fundamentals which is key to being competitive, but playing the ghost will not ensure wins against seasoned players. For instance, you take BIH after the break playing the ghost? That doesn't happen in a match and you're often left hooked and have to kick or jump in a match your first shot, maybe your first several times at the table.

Practicing will give you confidence in your skills until you meet the guy that shoots just as well, and is doing things you never even dreamed of on the table. But playing seasoned guys regularly, everywhere, and winning...that's confidence that is much harder to shake, because not only is your shot making superb, but you also feel like you've seen in all in the strategy sense, and in a way, you'll be right. Practicing 24 hours a day will not season you. Only playing competitively can.
 
I do own a 10 foot table at home! It was hard to find one but I did almost 10 years ago. Anyway, I bought an antique brunswick table from 1905 roughly. They only made them from 1900 to about 1920 or so for "Pool"! The one I got had big pockets and our local table mechanic John Burns from Classic Billiards extend the rails to make them 4.5 in or 4.15 and put superspeed cushions.

I love the table and as happy as can be! I mentioned the stuff above because finding a 10 foot table is "really hard"! They most likely are snooker tables converted and that causes big problems with pocket shelf and rail thickness & etc. Some are converted badly and other issues. The only manufacturer making a 10 foot table currently is Diamond and they are expensive! Allen Hopkins had a special one from Olhausen he told me about when i was in the market.

I found it did not simulate game situations for one pocket! I play very few if any matches on the table and it is used for practice mostly. My game did improve as a result of owning the table and practicing on it. Just my 2 cents. Hope this post/info helped.

Pictures of table below!
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=644400&highlight=footer#post644400

KD
 
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I don't think you risk losing your confidence or position play by practicing on a tough table. New skills don't replace old ones, they compliment them. I say play on as many different tables as you can. You will learn things on each and all will make you a better player.

If I had money and space for a 10' I wouldn't hesitate.


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Cezar Morales said:
I have a home table thats 9 ft but im deciding if i should upgrade to a 10 foot table .

However im just wondering if the cost of a 10 foot table will justify my reasons to increase my learning curve.

Perhaps after investing in a 10 foot table will help me in my gambling which i will be able to recover my investment :wink: loll

Buy im not counting on it, im just a passionate player whos 26 yrs, fresh outta college and i just wanna improve as much as i can before i grow old n focus on other priorities lol

For those reading this thread, im weighing the benefits before deciding to sell my 9 ft table n buy a 10 ft table :D


Sincerely
Ryan
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If you could somehow keep the 9-footer and "acquire" a 10-footer that would be ideal but unless you have a HUGE room in your house I guess that is not practical. I am also a player in my 20's by the way. It would just be terrible if you invested all this money in a 10-footer and it does not translate to a smaller table. Unless your only going to play people on your 10-footer then by all means, but chances are if your playing someone it's going to be on a 9-footer so you could become comfortable with a 9-footer.
 
Cezar Morales said:
I have a home table thats 9 ft but im deciding if i should upgrade to a 10 foot table .

However im just wondering if the cost of a 10 foot table will justify my reasons to increase my learning curve.

Perhaps after investing in a 10 foot table will help me in my gambling which i will be able to recover my investment :wink: loll

Buy im not counting on it, im just a passionate player whos 26 yrs, fresh outta college and i just wanna improve as much as i can before i grow old n focus on other priorities lol

For those reading this thread, im weighing the benefits before deciding to sell my 9 ft table n buy a 10 ft table
Sincerely
Ryan
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What are you doing wrong when gambling? Are you shooting the same as when you are practicing? Or is it the pressure that gets to you? I would say stick it out with the 9ft and reduce the pockets to help out your accuracy. Unless adjusting your speed from a 10 ft to a 9ft isn't hard for you. Banks and safety speed would be different and wouldn't feel the same as to when you are playing at your pool hall 9footers to your 10ft if you were to get one.
 
Thanks for all the response, keep it flowing, really enjoying these pointers from you seasoned vets :)

Just for some updates, keeping the 9foot wldnt be an option but i could find storage space at a warehouse if i pay for it.

With all being said, i am doing all i can by sparring with more experienced players but studies n work still remain my priorities.
Thus wouldnt mastering shot making n positioning on a 10 foot broaden my horizon n reduced my margin of error when it comes to playing on a 9 foot ??

When im gambling, wouldnt supreme shotmaking skills allow me to focus on positioning ??
While my opponent have to focus on both, i focus on one which equates to me playing on barbox ?

Once again, thanks for your response :)

Btw, i was watching Corey vs Gray and was kinda disappointed with Corey shotmaking which barely jaws in everytime while gray was superior in shotmaking n merely focusing on position play :((

Btw go team USA, hate to see Europe taking it again :(((
 
Cezar Morales said:
Thanks for all the response, keep it flowing, really enjoying these pointers from you seasoned vets :)

Just for some updates, keeping the 9foot wldnt be an option but i could find storage space at a warehouse if i pay for it.

With all being said, i am doing all i can by sparring with more experienced players but studies n work still remain my priorities.
Thus wouldnt mastering shot making n positioning on a 10 foot broaden my horizon n reduced my margin of error when it comes to playing on a 9 foot ??

When im gambling, wouldnt supreme shotmaking skills allow me to focus on positioning ??
While my opponent have to focus on both, i focus on one which equates to me playing on barbox ?

Once again, thanks for your response :)

Btw, i was watching Corey vs Gray and was kinda disappointed with Corey shotmaking which barely jaws in everytime while gray was superior in shotmaking n merely focusing on position play :((

Btw go team USA, hate to see Europe taking it again :(((
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If you're continuously improving, keep doing whatever it is you are doing. Improvement starts with a mindset that is never content, and is always looking to learn new things and embracing change for the better. Practice and playing are both necessary. Practicing at home will help you shoot better, playing against strong opposition will help you play better. Practicing will help you learn to play, and playing will help you learn to win. Winning inspires the most confidence in ones skills and provides the best measuring stick of ones game.
 
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I think it depends on where you are going to be competing. I have a 8ft table and find it harder to adjust to the super fast 7' diamond tables. The balls are packed in a tighter space, and the tables play so much faster that speed control is extremely critical. On a 9 or 10 foot table you have much more space between the balls that your not as worried about getting hooked or out of line as much as you would a 7'

I have a 9' table in storage and was about to swap it out with my 8' table, but since all the tourneys in my area are on bar boxes, I thinking of selling them both and getting a 7' diamond. 95% of my runs on a 7' diamond end because Ive gotten myself hooked, not because I missed a long shot.

9' foot tables are better for good shot makers, 7' tables are better for position players. imo
 
Drago has a gift, from God. Period. Call it God, or The Universe, or whatever... whatever it is he is different. Not the same. Not a normal human when it comes to billiards.

It is as if when he steps up to the table, the balls are already down, and he is just filling-in the events after the fact, as to exactly how they came to disappear from the table. Practicing on his own, without the pressure of competition and cameras, I could imagine him going weeks without ever missing a ball.

The reason nobody else plays like him, is because nobody else IS him. And they likely never will be.
 
Kind of surprised to see this bubble to the top as I had some time on the 10 foot Diamond in Sun City West. Couldn't even get The Hail Storm to play me 3 ball for 5 on it. He perked up at the game offer. He declined on the table. It was a gem of a tight pocket table. Must be in the table tough thread by dr_dave. Hmmmm better go look. 😉
 
I had a budget of 95 as the waitress had given me change in all 5s. Was a sure thing for him on his 9 foot table. I just wanted a lesson. See how long I could make it last would have been my goal. 🤷‍♂️ Oh well he had been watching my workouts on neighbor tables. 🤷‍♂️
 
6 on the list....hmmm. anything tougher than that gem would have to be a trick table. 😝 😉
They traded it out for a normal table.....hmmmm. Would be interested if it's for sale. 🤷‍♂️
 
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