Playing someone who is High

Kris_b1104 said:
So you're looking to take advantage of a guy who is obviously on drugs? Why don't you find someone to play who's NOT on drugs and will give you some competition? Oh wait I forgot all pool players want a lock or else they won't play. Try to help the guy instead of helping your wallet.
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I wasn't anticipating that... thank you! I'd stay clear of him, too - both for his and my own sake.

If you're trying to get tips on how to win - rather simple: play out of style and very slowly, setting up traps that straight forward ball potting players don't see. Deliberation is not a drug user's strength.

... Im just playing his own game.
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Ok so I guess what your saying is that being methodical about when and how I gamble with a sharking meth head is un ethical. Im not forcing him to use meth, nor am I forcing him to play.
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That's a very poor excuse for youself, and you know it.
In fact you are reinforcing his behaviour by giving him the impression it's fine what he does.
That way it's easily 50% on you that he is continuing to take drugs.


Cheers.
 
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Sorry I'm late! I registered the day of this post and just now received permission to post.

20yrs ago I used meth...quite a bit. Not proud of it, but I am proud to say I got through it unscathed. Me and my buddy (also my dealer) were both avid players, though we didn't do league or tournaments. We mostly just played each other, high as kites and for hours on end off of just one bump. One thing that makes me think this guy is NOT on meth is the frequent trips outside. When we played, we were in the zone, completely and totally. The only thing that pulled us away from the table was answering a call of nature.

Now, meth back then, while still a bad thing, was a LOT better than what's typical today. Maybe frequent trips outside are required to keep a high. I'm happy to say I know longer know or care.

Anyway, I can't help you in dealing with this guy as I no longer gamble and try to steer clear of any obvious substance abusers. I feel compelled, however, to share that it was during one of these pool marathons that I did the only high stakes gambling I've ever done. We, my buddy and I, started at $5 a game and, after about 10hrs, were playing for $1,000 a game. I came out ahead by almost $4,000. :)
 
Wow is this a pool forum or an ethics / religion forum.

There shall be no:
Drugs
Drinking
Gambling
Cheating
Cussing
Idle thoughts

Quit trying to kill pool by gambling !

Go sell your car and give the money to the tweaker, you'll thank me for it someday.
 
Educational thread.

What I want to know is how to take advantage of people that are not on meth. For instance, if I'm playing an old man with prostate problems, would it be a good idea to bribe the poolhall owner to close the bathroom for a few hours, so that he couldn't relieve himself? Also, to annoy and infuriate him, maybe I should wear my jeans really low, so that I moon him every time i bend over to shoot. Might give me a psychological advantage.

How about people with disabilities? Some guy is having back problems and is known for gambling sky high. Would it be a good idea to insist on playing on the lowest table in the house? How about paying a guy to bump into him from the side with just enough force to cause him discomfort but not enough that he stops playing?

How about hiring a good looking prostitute to bend over and distract my opponent when he shoots? She could also distract him while I spike his drink, or spit on his cue tip. What's the best drug to use? I want him to be sluggish, but if he's old, I don't want the drug to kill him outright. We need to finish the set first.

I have plenty more ideas. How about replacing all the house chalk with the worst brand ever (Pioneer) and rewrapping it as masters? Is there a substance I can drip on his chalk (other than spit or water) to make it less effective?

I also thought about taking lessons from a magician on sleight of hand. How to move the cueball without your opponent spotting you, for instance, would be a valuable skill to have, as well as moving balls to your tray in one pocket.

What I'm saying is: It is always better to cheat than to beat your opponent fair and square. If you are afraid of getting caught you can always use the more subtle gamesmanship techniques, or beat your opponent with a technicality. Nobody wants respect or a sense of achievement: Money, that's where it's at. Remember that in all your daily activities, and soon you can become a successful televangelist, or sell loans to people who can't afford it, or why not become a lawyer. If there is one thing this world needs it's more lawyers.
 
Straightpool_99,

I used to do a lot of hustling on the nursing home circuit with Johnnyt in my younger days. We found what worked best on the prostate guys was to continually poor water from one glass into another. Let kept them squirming. Sometimes we would leave with the cash and once in a while we would even leave with a new lady friend.

Those were the days.
 
Celophanewrap said:
Right! Make sure he posts a sigificant amount before you ever break the first rack
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And don't touch the money he posts... = contact high.

And there's variations of "high"... guys used to play on the 'Peruvian marching powder' all the time, and of course,
the pakalolo.
 
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I just came up with my new team name.

Twerking Tweakers.... thanks for the post.


Seriously, why don't you just follow him outside.
I'll bet he's on the marrijeewanna, it is.....(Bigfoot reference).
 
And someone else told me it can last for days. WTH?

JoeyA

j_zippel said:
From what I gather it's more like 5-6 hours.. If their clinching their jaw and aren't drinking and won't stfu there's a good chance that's what's up



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JoeyA said:
And someone else told me it can last for days. WTH?

JoeyA
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I think there is a confusion between the duration of a single "hit" (is that accurate nomenclature?) and the amount of time a user can sustain his high using multiple hits.
 
JoeyA said:
And someone else told me it can last for days. WTH?



JoeyA
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I feel sorry for the guy that uses meth, his life is euchered. Why bother playing him at all, your destined for trouble.


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j_zippel said:
I feel sorry for the guy that uses meth, his life is euchered. Why bother playing him at all, your destined for trouble.


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You're right, a guy using meth is going down a spiral.

How do you know if the guy is using meth?

What about the guy using pain killer pills for gambling at pool or alcohol or ganja and how do you know if they are using it? Alcohol is pretty evident. Ganja, you can smell it. The pain pill boys are kind of incognito for the most part, or is there a way to identify them for sure?

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
You're right, a guy using meth is going down a spiral.

How do you know if the guy is using meth?

What about the guy using pain killer pills for gambling at pool or alcohol or ganja and how do you know if they are using it? Alcohol is pretty evident. Ganja, you can smell it. The pain pill boys are kind of incognito for the most part, or is there a way to identify them for sure?

JoeyA
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He's the guy nodding in the chair during a long run.
 
I hope by now you have realized that your only logical option is to start habitually using meth, or something stronger.
 
JoeyA said:
You're right, a guy using meth is going down a spiral.



How do you know if the guy is using meth?



What about the guy using pain killer pills for gambling at pool or alcohol or ganja and how do you know if they are using it? Alcohol is pretty evident. Ganja, you can smell it. The pain pill boys are kind of incognito for the most part, or is there a way to identify them for sure?



JoeyA
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Joey, I don't think there's a definite way to know unless it's admitted to. Reefer is one thing, you can smell it from a country mile away and I really don't think it affects your play for the better. Being from canada I don't frown at anyone smoking pot. But, I've seen known meth users go ballistic if your taking too long to shoot and literally can't sit down while waiting their turn at the table. Pain pills I let slide being that i know a few people that can't bend over to take a shot without them. Then ya have the guys that do blow every 30 minutes and get worse and worse the longer the night goes. At the end of the day I stay clear of meth users if I know, I won't play them let a lone gamble with them. Things get ugly every-single-time at some point. It's a lose lose situation hanging out with them I'd rather spend the little time I have playing at the hall with people that deserve my time.


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To the OP: There's nothing good to come from what your upto. I'm suprised you don't have a buddy or two convincing you to stay away and smarten up


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Here's a thought. Instead of worrying whether or not your opponent's play is a result of natural talent, hard work, meth, a recent 5 hour energy, or a good night's sleep in a holiday inn, you instead approach the situation as if they played that good and weren't on drugs. Accept the challenge, adjust the game, or don't play them. Similarly, it doesn't take meth to make someone shady and difficult to be around or gamble with. If someone plays good, they play good, and if they are likely to cheat you or be combative, then that's that, regardless of whether or not meth is the cause.
 
walk away is the smartest response in this thread. you aren't going to change the guy. drugs are stronger than you. trouble is all get.
 
railbird99 said:
Here's a thought. Instead of worrying whether or not your opponent's play is a result of natural talent, hard work, meth, a recent 5 hour energy, or a good night's sleep in a holiday inn, you instead approach the situation as if they played that good and weren't on drugs. Accept the challenge, adjust the game, or don't play them. Similarly, it doesn't take meth to make someone shady and difficult to be around or gamble with. If someone plays good, they play good, and if they are likely to cheat you or be combative, then that's that, regardless of whether or not meth is the cause.
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Spoken in a broad Australian accent "Where's the sport in that!?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZvT3MHpffk
 
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