Playing the ghost?

Luxury said:
Is a scratch against the ghost on the break a loss of game in every single ghost playing scenario everyone has ever seen here?
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Yo Lux, put some pictures up of the girls you go see after you're done eating wings at Hooters.
 
Jaden said:
A pro caliber friend of mine used to do percentages of the pros as well and he stated that giving the breaks as a spot is the best thing you can do because among the top pros, they only won 45% of the racks they broke.

and it seems to me that some people on this board have an overblown perspective on how good the top pros really are.

Jaden.

p.s. It is also this overblown perspective in the general audience that contributes to professional pool's current state of affairs.
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That's a pretty interesting stat. It'd be good to see that stat for controlled sample. I know that when I bet pool all the time, if any of my matches went hill to hill, and I did not have the last break, I always asked my opponent to start over and raise the bet. If I had the break on the last game, I just broke the balls. It's hard to guesstimate what my win percentage was in those hill-hill games, but it's safe to say it was > 55% considering I'm way winner at the game.

That last statement is obviously just your opinion. My opinion is that every sport puts its champions on a pedestal, and that does not keep other sports down. Pool is a sub-culture sport, at best. Pool needs help from within to reach another level.
 
av84fun said:
Al the talk about guys "robbing the Ghost" sounds to me like typical gambler talk. "A" players routinely beating the Ghost over a long series of attempts on a 9 ft. 4.5 table is a MYTH.

Finally, how do all these A players and pros KNOW they can rob the Ghost? The thought of a top speed player screwing around play 50 racks with Ghost instead of REAL PRACTICE on the OTHER half of the game of 9 Ball makes me laugh out loud.
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That "myth" statement is pretty strong. Maybe you just haven't been around the action enough, because it is no myth. That's not a knock on you, it just means you have a life outside pool.;)

My top speed was so that I matched up with champions with games on the wire. Getting the 7 or the 8 did not matter to me, as I was getting out from that point a great majority of the time anyways. In a controlled setting (my home court table), I was winner at the 9 ball ghost.

What's so funny about practicing against the ghost? Especially if you know you can get action against it?? I've seen Rodney practice 11 ball ghost for hours on end, and he doesn't even get action with anyone.

On another topic, talking about winner breaks and alternate breaks...I understand people's beef with winner break, but alternate every other break in 9 ball, 10 ball or 8 ball is one of the worst things ever to happen to pro pool, IMO. Your football analogy is good, but misleading. Alternate breaks is not analogous to scoring a touchdown and kicking off, it is more analogous to getting a first down and kicking off. Maybe a good idea would be to give Player A 5 breaks, then Player B 5 breaks and so on in a race to 11.
 
Update...

The 9 ball ghost whips my a$$ in races to 11. Everytime. That is all.

*considers taking up a new sport that doesn't have a "ghost" feature*
 
absolutely it is only my opinion....

senor said:
That's a pretty interesting stat. It'd be good to see that stat for controlled sample. I know that when I bet pool all the time, if any of my matches went hill to hill, and I did not have the last break, I always asked my opponent to start over and raise the bet. If I had the break on the last game, I just broke the balls. It's hard to guesstimate what my win percentage was in those hill-hill games, but it's safe to say it was > 55% considering I'm way winner at the game.

That last statement is obviously just your opinion. My opinion is that every sport puts its champions on a pedestal, and that does not keep other sports down. Pool is a sub-culture sport, at best. Pool needs help from within to reach another level.
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I think that the way pool has been showcased has contributed to people having that overblown perspective and it is the belief that pro caliber players are unbeatable that makes it boring for bangers to watch pro pool. In other sports, since they showcase the mistakes and not only the perfection, the viewers can create the willing suspension of disbelief that they might have a chance on a good day with some luck.

In pool, because all of the mistakes are edited out when possible, that is not as easy and they don't wanna watch.

Jaden
 
Black-Balled said:
Just played 2 sets of 10b ghost w/ BIH after break...

I win both: 5-3, 7-3.

~nowhere near pro level~
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Good Job! I was doing it wrong at first. I was playing 9 ball ghost, trying to play the balls in order like regular 9 ball. When I just play to make all the balls in any order I don't lose in race to 11.

The ghost is tough. FACT
 
Moon Cricket said:
Good Job! I was doing it wrong at first. I was playing 9 ball ghost, trying to play the balls in order like regular 9 ball. When I just play to make all the balls in any order I don't lose in race to 11.

The ghost is tough. FACT
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Now I'm confused, Aren't you supposed to play the balls in order? I've only heard and tried this ghost playing the first time the other day so I'm not sure of all the rules. If you can shoot the balls in any order it makes it much easier. I think I'd have a chance against the ghost in that case:p
 
CK6Speed said:
Now I'm confused, Aren't you supposed to play the balls in order? I've only heard and tried this ghost playing the first time the other day so I'm not sure of all the rules. If you can shoot the balls in any order it makes it much easier. I think I'd have a chance against the ghost in that case:p
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I think its pretty much your call as far as how to do it. I wasn't liking it so much playing the balls in order. Now, I could be wrong and the correct way to do it IS in order, but I like it this way for now.
 
The correct way is in order...(Mines was be in order)

There is already a game where you pot ballss any ball/ any order. It is called 14.1 and it uses all the balls. Try it!
 
Moon Cricket said:
Good Job! I was doing it wrong at first. I was playing 9 ball ghost, trying to play the balls in order like regular 9 ball. When I just play to make all the balls in any order I don't lose in race to 11
The ghost is tough. FACT
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Sorry Moon Cricket, but you are mistaken. When playing the 9, 10, 11 or anything ghost, you must play the balls in order like a regular game of 9 ball, etc.

Most C players could get out without going in order most of the time...

It is a personal choice how you want to play and there is nothing wrong with not going in order; however, keep in mind everyone else talking about it is going in order.
 
Moon Cricket said:
I think its pretty much your call as far as how to do it. I wasn't liking it so much playing the balls in order. Now, I could be wrong and the correct way to do it IS in order, but I like it this way for now.
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you really got the 7 now ....lol
 
Pretty much anybody wants to try the ghost or you can play the "GhostBuster" ... Doug Young , heart of a blue whale ... Watched him break all night at a game he was supposed to lose and he didn't , barely escaped the trap ... Rare to see that kind of focus ...Nice guy too ...:cool:
 
Neil said:
Some people are trying to compare the ghost to tournament play. They are two different things. In tourn. play, if you don't make a ball on the break, you are done. If you do make a ball, but don't care for the layout, you play safe somewhere along the line. If you don't have a high percetage shot, you play safe.

Playing the ghost, you don't have to make a ball on the break. If playing no ball in hand, you just have to have a possible shot on the lowest ball. Playing the ghost you go for shots that you normally wouldn't go for. You shoot a lot of banks and caroms sometimes to get out. You don't take those chances in tourn. play.
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ya but it really seems to be great practice and a fairly good way to judge your speed and or improvement of speed
 
Eric Wynne said:
Pretty much anybody wants to try the ghost or you can play the "GhostBuster" ... Doug Young , heart of a blue whale ... Watched him break all night at a game he was supposed to lose and he didn't , barely escaped the trap ... Rare to see that kind of focus ...Nice guy too ...:cool:
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Doug is a good guy and has as much heart as anyone. I am pretty good friends with him and have staked him some. I always like to see him do well.

Southpaw
 
Neil said:
Some people are trying to compare the ghost to tournament play. They are two different things. In tourn. play, if you don't make a ball on the break, you are done. If you do make a ball, but don't care for the layout, you play safe somewhere along the line. If you don't have a high percetage shot, you play safe.

Playing the ghost, you don't have to make a ball on the break. If playing no ball in hand, you just have to have a possible shot on the lowest ball. Playing the ghost you go for shots that you normally wouldn't go for. You shoot a lot of banks and caroms sometimes to get out. You don't take those chances in tourn. play.
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I agree completely...totally different world. Also, many have said they compiled info based on an "easy" 1st shot vs. BIH, again different worlds imo. With BIH you can put it anywhere, giving a great opportunity to break up trouble, etc.

Anyway, that's my opinion, now you'll have to excuse me, I'm ahead 4-3 in my race to 7 against the 2-ball ghost and I wanna get back while I'm still in dead-punch.

Joe
 
I was playing the 6 ball ghost last night and since there was not so much weight in the rack somehow the 2 ball went flying off a rail and bounced past the side pocket onto the TOP of the rail and rolled along the line where the wood and the felt meet and rolled in a perfectly straight line on top of the rail. I was waiting for it to roll onto the floor but it ended up dropping right into the corner pocket. This all happened very fast.
 
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