Please help me ID these cues, Part 1

DrJ said:
Hi...I bought a small lot of collector cues in the early 80's, and they have been in storage since then...here's the first one, please help me to identify it if you can. Thanks....

This one has an ivory joint.

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Hello nice traditional looking cue, however, I would need to the bumper, and what is under the bumper to help ID it. Are the ferrules on the shafts also Ivory? How long is the cue?

Thanks Craig
 
DrJ said:
The ferrules are ivory and the cue is 58" long from bumper to tip...or the butt is about 29" from bumper to top of joint ivory.

Here's the bumper on:

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Can I just loosen the screw shown with an Allen wrench and take the bumper off with out risking any damage?

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Yes that it not a problem, after removing the Allen screw the bumper will just pull off.

Please measure the points, from their tips to the joint collar, and from their bottom to the top of the points, and post the measurements.
 
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It is a old Greenleaf cue

Made by Brunswick. Looks like someone used the blank to make a nice conversion cue. The brown bumper shows the wrong screw to be a bushka. Probably a Toeboy conversion.
Nick :)
 
My first guess, based on your photos and limited cue spec data would be an early Tascarella or maybe a Verl Horn cue--but it could have been made by a number of others as this cue is rather plain. It looks well made. I love the veneered trim rings. Show us some of the others!

Martin



DrJ said:
Hi...I bought a small lot of collector cues in the early 80's, and they have been in storage since then...here's the first one, please help me to identify it if you can. Thanks....

This one has an ivory joint.

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Not Balibushka. He never used birdseye forearms, only straight grain on rare occasion light curly. Plus the delrin buttcap is coated over & the bumper has the wrong shape.

Could possibly be a Greenleaf conversion but again, too much figure in the forearm for a cheap production cue.

My guess is an experiment prototype of Joss, possibly Gina. Could be anybody but looks a whole lot like an old Joss with a brown bumper. The bumper does not show much wear, so it's either a replacement or cue was used very little. Besides the dirt inside the bumper hole, it looks brand new & does not match the rough & aged finish. Even the wrap is very well aged & worn. The bumper simply looks too perfect to be an original part of the cue. If it were a black bumper, it would scream Joss West or pre-split Joss.
 
If you remove the bumper , does it say custom shop with a date stamped into the bottom of the buttplate? If so , Huebler.
 
its a horn

my bet would be a verl horn...I worked for him in the mid 90's and saw a few pieces of this type of ringstock. He loved to make piloted ivory joints on this type of cue along with the brown bumper ( he had a shoe box FULL of these old brunswick bumpers he would use on Bali knock offs)

nice cue

Ryan
 
I think Verl Horn also. It needs someone higher up the food chain to tell me otherwise. I think all 4 of them are.
 
nick serdula said:
Made by Brunswick. Looks like someone used the blank to make a nice conversion cue. The brown bumper shows the wrong screw to be a bushka. Probably a Toeboy conversion.
Nick :)
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whats wrong with the screw? wrong length?
 
qbilder said:
Not Balibushka. He never used birdseye forearms, only straight grain on rare occasion light curly. Plus the delrin buttcap is coated over & the bumper has the wrong shape.

Could possibly be a Greenleaf conversion but again, too much figure in the forearm for a cheap production cue.

My guess is an experiment prototype of Joss, possibly Gina. Could be anybody but looks a whole lot like an old Joss with a brown bumper. The bumper does not show much wear, so it's either a replacement or cue was used very little. Besides the dirt inside the bumper hole, it looks brand new & does not match the rough & aged finish. Even the wrap is very well aged & worn. The bumper simply looks too perfect to be an original part of the cue. If it were a black bumper, it would scream Joss West or pre-split Joss.
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he never used birdseye? what shape should the bumper be?


i though the greeleaf's were black, red, mohogany, holly ??:confused:
 
Birk1 said:
my bet would be a verl horn...I worked for him in the mid 90's and saw a few pieces of this type of ringstock. He loved to make piloted ivory joints on this type of cue along with the brown bumper ( he had a shoe box FULL of these old brunswick bumpers he would use on Bali knock offs)

nice cue

Ryan
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i would love to hear more story's about verl.
 
DrJ said:
Thanks for all your ideas, keep them coming. I've been using them to search the web for cue pictures that might be a close match, but I haven't found any really good matches so far.

I don't think it's a Balabushka, but I only say that based on the fact that I believe that the seller told me at the time that it was not.

I'll put some more measurements and pictures up this week when I can, and the other cues are in storage right now, so I will get them out sometime soon.
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you know what he told you it wasnt , so what did he say it was?

and what did you have to pay for these in the early 80,s?
 
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