Please help me identify this early 70s cue

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The cue in question was my Dad's and was left to me with his passing.
Here are a couple of pics, if there is anything else that i can add that would help to identify it just let me know and I will see what I can do.

Edit: I am also looking for suggestions on where I could get a new leather wrap. After 35+ years the current wrap is in dire need of replacement hence the
black tape that is preventing the split from spreading further.
 

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It is an Adams cue model#A/H-36 " Corsair" its a level 7

Thanks for the reply.
What do you mean by a level 7?
Any idea on value for curiosities sake as I would never ever sell it as it is one of my most prized possessions.
Even though I have been playing for 35 years (age 5) I know very little about cues other than what feels good to me.
 
Thanks for the reply.
What do you mean by a level 7?
Any idea on value for curiosities sake as I would never ever sell it as it is one of my most prized possessions.
Even though I have been playing for 35 years (age 5) I know very little about cues other than what feels good to me.

Level 7
- 0-12 points, 76-125 inlays.

See this link

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=65641

or this

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=107842&highlight=adam+corsair
 
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If you have it refinished I would think some where aroud $1000 or so and if its straight in my opinion.
 
I say definitely go for the refinish and rewrap...that is one SHARP looking cue!!! I like the looks of a lot of these older Helmstetters/Adams...

Thanks for posting pics...if you decide to get it redone, you should post pics after the refinish/rewrap to show it off!!! ;)

Jason
 
You will want to send it to Scot Sherbine at Proficient Billiards for the work. Quick turn around and a fair price.

Keep in mind there are only a handful of Adam cue collectors. Jayman here at AZ can probably give you a better idea of its value. Even refinished with TWO shafts you might have trouble getting to 700. Then again, if you find someone that has to have it, maybe a little more.

JV
 
You will want to send it to Scot Sherbine at Proficient Billiards for the work. Quick turn around and a fair price.

Keep in mind there are only a handful of Adam cue collectors. Jayman here at AZ can probably give you a better idea of its value. Even refinished with TWO shafts you might have trouble getting to 700. Then again, if you find someone that has to have it, maybe a little more.

JV

I would definitely talk to Jayman. But IMHO at a certain level and age these cues transcend the boundaries of their brand and simply become collectible. They become more interesting to more people. I won't guess a value, but I will say that I am endlessly surprised at how high and sometimes how low the selling price of such cues can be.

To me, that is a spectacular example of a top cue of that type from that era. It would have a place in almost any cue collection that isn't restricted to a name or two (some do this, I know).

Restore it. Please. :)


Even though I have been playing for 35 years (age 5) I know very little about cues other than what feels good to me.

Hang around, you are entering a world that is much bigger than you realized with a rich history and a community that spans generations. Now that you are here, there is no escape anyway, so you might as well enjoy it.
 
But IMHO at a certain level and age these cues transcend the boundaries of their brand and simply become collectible.

Doc,
I wish this was true. However people will collect what catches their eye or interest. People create their collecting portfolios in many different ways. I always recommend to diversify, however if someone wants to just collect Joss Wests, or Blacks, Balabushkas, Szamboti's or Palmers or whatever that's fine to.

These Adam cues are generally well made, and still are not as revered as Palmers, for example. Hopefully they will get their due and catch on. The higher end stuff is not easy to come by and can still be had for a very fair price.

But in todays economically challenged times, these cues could be great collection starters. Like Rich cues, early Mali's, and those other cues of that era. It would be a great sign for the hobby if people started collecting these type of cues.

JV
 
I'm not sure what you are saying isn't true. :confused:

It looks like you simply elaborated on what I said.

I think more people actually are collecting these types of cues than you might suspect. They are doing just what you are saying....starting out this way. But for many I think it will never go beyond this sort of level simply because of the costs involved. For a lot of people, this would be an example of one of the highest cues in their collection. And a lot of people will have a very small collection of fairly low end cues. In fact, this is likely a lot more common that large high end collections.

I love your web site. For me it is a resource. But I am not in a position nor likely will I ever be in a position to entertain it as a place to seek to purchase something. Adam cues don't even make it into your "Other Vintage Cues" page nor are there any of their brochures on your brochure page. It's a different end of the market.

I am suspecting that you don't hear a whole lot from the people through your web site who are looking for these cues because it does not look like you serve that market. I suspect there are more people interested than you may have been led to believe.

I am not in any way saying you are wrong nor questioning your expertise. I am merely saying you may have misunderstood what I said and in fact what you posted merely elaborates on what I said, it does not contradict it. I did not venture to guess the value of the cue at all except to suggest it may have some value and to suggest that because of its age and level it would be more collectible. As an example, compare it to a plain brand new Adam....not collectible at all. This is not true for numerous custom makers, their new work is often as collectible as their vintage work, which is observable on your own web site. A brand new Szamboti is just as likely to be found there as one of his dad's early cues.

If you go to Hercek's page you will find in his resources for Burton Spain an Adam brochure because Spain distributed Adam cues. I am extremely proud to own one of those cues in that Spain/Adam brochure. Having an Adam featured on the web site of that master cue maker is probably as close as I will ever get to owning one of his cues. And no....I won't be trying to finance one, thank you.

Again, I respect your expertise and am not attempting to contradict it at all.

I like the cue posted. I really do. If I come across one cheap I will snap it up, but I can guarantee you I can't afford the fair market price of it. If I had one I would care for it for posterity as a vintage piece and a classic example of the genre.
 
I say definitely go for the refinish and rewrap...that is one SHARP looking cue!!! I like the looks of a lot of these older Helmstetters/Adams...

Thanks for posting pics...if you decide to get it redone, you should post pics after the refinish/rewrap to show it off!!! ;)

Jason

I agree and would recommend Scot at Proficient Billiards.

Ken
 
Thanks for all the help everyone, I knew at least one person here would know what it is.
I will check out Proficient Billiards when I get around to having a new wrap done, thanks for the suggestion.
The pictures don't do the current finish justice due to me taking them in a low light environment and a longer exposure time. I wanted to limit light reflections to make it easier to see the details.
I refinished it a while back. Still needs a final sand and polish to fix some highs/lows around some of the enlays from absorption/shrinkage of the clear. Just an fyi I used PPG Deltron DC4000 clear. Hope that wasn't a mistake but I figure if it is good enough for a car it is good enough for a cue.
 
Is the bumper missing from your Corsair? or was it just not installed when you took the pictures? If you need one let me know I have the original small Adam bumpers from the 70's.
 
Is the bumper missing from your Corsair? or was it just not installed when you took the pictures? If you need one let me know I have the original small Adam bumpers from the 70's.

I need one, it has been missing for years and I have been using one that I made from a rubber stopper.
 
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