joe pizzuto
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touche!
Pocket Advice, please
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joe pizzuto
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proper observation, thanks
joe pizzuto
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what photo are you looking at? The first photo I sent my brother is the one that two balls will not pass and it has never been altered. joe
I was talking about both Trevors and mine, the most recent pics in the thread.
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Yes, they most certainly will. Tested to be sure. Mere millimeters to spare!
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It's very likely Brunswick wasn't concerned about the exact sizing of the pockets when they left the factory, hence the different size pockets being reported in this thread. Gold Crown I production ran from 1961-1974. I seriously doubt every table that left the factory was the exact same. That, coupled with the fact that some of these tables are now 60 years old. Who knows what's been done with them in that time frame? Rails could have been swapped out and/or mismatched, pocket facing swapped out with larger/smaller facings, etc.
All true but I think mine and Trevors are identical if not damned close. I think his was one owner but could be wrong. Mine lived it's life in a small college student union so very possible it's all original and gives every indication of that. Maybe they were made on the same day at Brunswick.
Pocket facings with a Durometer of 60 is harder than OEM, is that correct? Is 70 harder than 60. I have an old Centennial and have the same
problem and getting ready to install new cloth and will be looking at the cut of the facings to see how close it come to 140 % . This old table
plays plenty tough with the way it is spitting out shots that would drop else where, just thought I'd try and help the old girl out some. Hope the original OP reports back soon with updated info.
problem and getting ready to install new cloth and will be looking at the cut of the facings to see how close it come to 140 % . This old table
plays plenty tough with the way it is spitting out shots that would drop else where, just thought I'd try and help the old girl out some. Hope the original OP reports back soon with updated info.
Thanks for the update. Will be greatly interested in how it all turns out and what was work was performed .
joe pizzuto
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I am Joe, Johns brother. (Not so little) I asked him to post my pictures , since I can't figure it out yet.
the table turned out really nice. Thanks to all concerned. The pockets are 4 5/8 . And honestly, the pockets are receptive to a reasonably good shot, unlike before.
To Chip, I think this same fix would be the ticket for your table. you might need new cushions, like I did, to get a new sharp corner cut. The years of play have pounded them out of their shape. The new facings were 6.4 mm. It made 1/4 inch tighter. They are durometer 60. They also carry 3.4 mm and 5mm. so you should be able to get what you want. Again, I am so happy. 900 bucks plus new pockets.
Again, thanks to all. My bro will post the pictures for me
the table turned out really nice. Thanks to all concerned. The pockets are 4 5/8 . And honestly, the pockets are receptive to a reasonably good shot, unlike before.
To Chip, I think this same fix would be the ticket for your table. you might need new cushions, like I did, to get a new sharp corner cut. The years of play have pounded them out of their shape. The new facings were 6.4 mm. It made 1/4 inch tighter. They are durometer 60. They also carry 3.4 mm and 5mm. so you should be able to get what you want. Again, I am so happy. 900 bucks plus new pockets.
Again, thanks to all. My bro will post the pictures for me
Joe is old school, frustrated with his smart phone, so he asked me to post a few photos.
He said the guy charged $450 for the cloth and rubber plus $450 labor. Joe ordered new pockets and facing material on his own, can’t remember the price.
He said the guy charged $450 for the cloth and rubber plus $450 labor. Joe ordered new pockets and facing material on his own, can’t remember the price.
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Thanks for the update. I will be going into the workings before long. If I remember correctly, there is trouble finding the correct rubber
for the early Centennial tables..something about the profile of the rubber. I might have to do some more research there.
for the early Centennial tables..something about the profile of the rubber. I might have to do some more research there.
Looks good! Do you know if the mechanic recut the subrail bevel for the new rubber?
Unfortunately, there is no "correct" rubber available as a direct replacement for the old Brunswick Monarch cushions. The profile you want is K55 (Brunswick SuperSpeed, Diamond Black, Artemis Intercontinental No. 66, etc.). In order for the newer spec K55 profile to fit properly on Anniversaries, Centennials and Gold Crown I's and II's, the bevel of the subrail needs to be changed. This ensures correct cushion nose height and a true 50" x 100" playing surface (if 9'). Mechanics often refer to this practice as "calibrating the subrails". There are countless threads/posts on this topic. Before you hire someone to replace your cushions, you should ask if they know how to do this and have done it in the past. The Table Mechanics Directory (sticky on this forum) is a good place to start.
Thanks Rexus,,gave me good info and, where to start looking for more. The cushions are OEM of course and still play great. They do bank short
but everyone of these table I ever played on banked short. Might try Bradshaws trick of cleaning the end rubber up well and then with 50 duro facings glued and cut in , then sanded to get as close as possible to 140 % after which I'll use the premium 70 duro as the finial facing over it all.
but everyone of these table I ever played on banked short. Might try Bradshaws trick of cleaning the end rubber up well and then with 50 duro facings glued and cut in , then sanded to get as close as possible to 140 % after which I'll use the premium 70 duro as the finial facing over it all.