Points in cues

[Sheldon]

I kinda thought 'equivalent' actualy covered all those points, ergo, no more qualifications.
IMHO - like beauty, the value lies in the eye of the beholder After all,
there are still people buying Moochies

Your idea of 'equivalent' and someone else's could vary greatly.
I don't understand why you would argue this, and then turn around and say "the value lies in the eye of the beholder After all". Isn't that essentially what I'm telling you?
Are you trying to say that V-points are somehow superior? If so, I would be interested in knowing your reasoning as to how or why you came by that attitude. I usually hear it from people that can't or wont learn to use CNC, which I know is NOT the case with yourself, you do great CNC work.
Regards,
Sheldon

 

[almer]

Here's the finished product, the owner is ecstatic...

Ivory butt, joint, veneers, leaves. Malachite veneers and billets. Cocobolo with Myrtle burl points and windows.

Sheldon that is one very nice cue

 

[pdcue]

Your idea of 'equivalent' and someone else's could vary greatly.
I don't understand why you would argue this, and then turn around and say "the value lies in the eye of the beholder After all". Isn't that essentially what I'm telling you?
Are you trying to say that V-points are somehow superior? If so, I would be interested in knowing your reasoning as to how or why you came by that attitude. I usually hear it from people that can't or wont learn to use CNC, which I know is NOT the case with yourself, you do great CNC work.
Regards,
Sheldon

For the purpose of this discussion:

Equivalent = of equal value or desireability<a highly subjective determination> if you need a concrete example, think, it would not
be balanced to compare a plain 4 point spliced cue to a CNCd
cue with 108 ivory inlays.

Points - no consideration of superiority, implied nor expressed.
Construction methods and/or procedures were not of concern.

Just a bit of wondering why some people seem to strongly prefer
that the points of their own cue, even though they are well known
to be CNCd, should look exactly as if they were spliced.

My inclination would be: If you want sharp points, get a spliced cue.

As I am sure you know, there are those who rail against inlays
or points that are not sharp, even tho CNCd.

In sumination, I can understand a preference, I just don't see
why it should matter so much.

Dale

 

[pbat2751]

Here's the finished product, the owner is ecstatic...

Ivory butt, joint, veneers, leaves. Malachite veneers and billets. Cocobolo with Myrtle burl points and windows.

Sheldon,


Thats a great looking cue!!!!

Very classy.

 

[cueman]

Dale,
I have observed you and Sheldon going back and forth on this. Sheldon feels he has developed a way of giving the sharp points with a greater list of materials he can use like the above malachite cue. I think a sharp point cue is worth more than the rounded ones that have hurt cue values of late in many case. But I think Sheldons methods will probably bring more $$ than regular v-points as he uses some more exotic materials than just colored veneers. But as far as CNC not bringing good money. My highest dollar cues by far did not have sharp points. My highest priced cue ever with sharp points was under $3000 as far as I can remember. But I have built cues with non sharp points for as much as 4 times that amount. Right now there is a trend in lower to midrange cues that want v-groove or sharp points. WHo knows the trend in a few years. Maybe everyone will want butterflies. We couldn't give those away ten years ago but now they are selling.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[Tommy-D]

"Anybody out there just praying for the day they can own a cue
with spliced points that look EXACTLY like they were CNCd?"


Why would I want to do something like that? Tommy D.

 

[Slider]

Maybe this will clear it up.

"Anybody out there just praying for the day they can own a cue
with spliced points that look EXACTLY like they were CNCd?"


Why would I want to do something like that? Tommy D.

While visiting Las Vegas a few years ago, I went into a shop that specialized in surveillance equipment.
I asked the proprietor if he had a camera that looked like a small briefcase, and he said,
"No, but I have a briefcase that looks exactly like a small camera."

 

[qfancier]

Back to the original question......

The way Ernie or Bill Stroud makes their points results in a rounded outer layer and the inner layers look to be mitered veneers. I can see how the whole pocket is cut with CNC and has the "roundedness" of the cutter's diameter. What I don't understand is how the inner mitered-looking veneers are assembled on the inlay for a flat-bottomed CNC pocket.

Can anyone give a quick explanation? Thanks.

 

[Sheldon]

The way Ernie or Bill Stroud makes their points results in a rounded outer layer and the inner layers look to be mitered veneers. I can see how the whole pocket is cut with CNC and has the "roundedness" of the cutter's diameter. What I don't understand is how the inner mitered-looking veneers are assembled on the inlay for a flat-bottomed CNC pocket. Can anyone give a quick explanation?

The veneers are all glued together before the point is constructed. Then there is an angle cut on one (or both) ends so that when they are put together, the edges of the veneers form points. The 2 (or more) veneer pieces with the angles on them are glued together with the center piece, then you get the whole 'point'. There are variations, but this is the basic idea. Here's a quick sketch with the angle exaggerated a bit for emphasis.

 

[buffalofloyd]

Here's the finished product, the owner is ecstatic...

Ivory butt, joint, veneers, leaves. Malachite veneers and billets. Cocobolo with Myrtle burl points and windows.

That cue is truly beautiful. I'm really curious what something like that might cost... ballpark.

Thanks,
Jim

 

[qfancier]

The veneers are all glued together before the point is constructed. Then there is an angle cut on one (or both) ends so that when they are put together, the edges of the veneers form points. The 2 (or more) veneer pieces with the angles on them are glued together with the center piece, then you get the whole 'point'. There are variations, but this is the basic idea. Here's a quick sketch with the angle exaggerated a bit for emphasis.

Very good explanation and diagram, Sheldon. Thanks for taking the time.

And that cue you showed above is outstanding. Very nice work, sir!

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

Spliced & inlayed points, can be used together, in the same Q. Once I had a customer who fell in love with a Q, I had in progress. It had 4 Bacote points into Birdseye Maple. The customer said he wished, that it had 4 Ebony points too. No problem. I inlayed the short Ebony points inbetween the Bacote. They were all perfect length & I capped them with Bacote spears. The Q was stunning...JER

 

[Sheldon]

That cue is truly beautiful. I'm really curious what something like that might cost... ballpark.

Each cue I make is custom ordered. I can tell you that something SIMILAR to that would be $2-3K.

 

[Retail1LO]

Here's the finished product, the owner is ecstatic...

Ivory butt, joint, veneers, leaves. Malachite veneers and billets. Cocobolo with Myrtle burl points and windows.

I'd sure as hell be ecstatic. That is simply....breathtaking. Wow. Just....wow. Brings a tear to my eye.